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P. 459: Pantheon opening on March 25!

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Sure if a park asked them too, why turn down busniess? I think during IAAPA they pointed out their "Raptor" track would be for smaller kiddie/family coasters.

But the concept vid shows a RMC mega lite.

 

"Concept" vid.

Why do you have quotation marks around concept? I spelled it right, and it isn't confirmed to go to any parks, and I spelled it right. You should be putting quotation marks around vid, not concept.

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I think it could be these are plans for some other small improvements in that area of the park and not even quite the 2017 attraction plans.

 

However if you look closely when the engineer flips over the papers sitting down on the left, you get a glimpse of something that looks like wooden roller coaster track. There is also wood background at the end of the video.

No, thats an elevation map of the layout. Im bot sure of the exact name.

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Sure if a park asked them too, why turn down busniess? I think during IAAPA they pointed out their "Raptor" track would be for smaller kiddie/family coasters.

But the concept vid shows a RMC mega lite.

 

"Concept" vid.

Why do you have quotation marks around concept? I spelled it right, and it isn't confirmed to go to any parks, and I spelled it right. You should be putting quotation marks around vid, not concept.

 

Perhaps he was using quotation marks for emphasis; in that case, italics would've been more appropriate.

 

And let's not get too bent out of shape here, folks. Thank you.

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Sure if a park asked them too, why turn down busniess? I think during IAAPA they pointed out their "Raptor" track would be for smaller kiddie/family coasters.

But the concept vid shows a RMC mega lite.

 

"Concept" vid.

Why do you have quotation marks around concept? I spelled it right, and it isn't confirmed to go to any parks, and I spelled it right. You should be putting quotation marks around vid, not concept.

 

Perhaps he was using quotation marks for emphasis; in that case, italics would've been more appropriate.

 

And let's not get too bent out of shape here, folks. Thank you.

 

Changed it to italics, my whole point was if you're saying they couldn't use the Raptor track for a smaller coaster because a concept video was showing it being used for something else that's a little naive. It had nothing to do with spelling.

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Am I the only thinking this is just a distraction from BGW themselves.. They may of purposely leaked it to get us off their scent you know, has happened before...

I can see that. I'm sure we all remember when KI purposely "leaked" their plans for The Bat B&M Wing Coaster. Or when Carowinds purposely leaked the Centurion logo? In both cases, not only was the actual ride completely different, but they even acknowledged the leak in their speeches ("...before I let...the bat out of the cage"... and "...it feels like we've been waiting for a centurion (century on) news...")

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^As I said earlier . . .

 

^They have built one nice new bathroom in Fort New France and renovated the Festhaus bathrooms over the last few years. Perhaps they are building the Taj Mahal of toilets!
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I'm betting all my chips on a wooden coaster. First the hammer, and then the wooden background at the end of the video.

 

I really hope this is the case. A RMC woodie along the lines of Outlaw Run or Lightning Rod would be the best case scenario IMO and give the park another top notch attraction. Plus it would be vastly difference than their other coaster offerings and maybe give hope for an eventual RMC makeover of Gwazi.

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What's the terrain even like in that area? Obviously there's the ravine that Alpengeist and Le Scoot run through, but it isn't nearly as deep as, say, where the Rhine runs. What kind of terrain do they really have to work with?

 

There are some hills in the area. If it drops down the ravine where Le Scoot and Alpie are it could be a considerable drop. Imagine the coaster interacting with those two rides.

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There are some hills in the area. If it drops down the ravine where Le Scoot and Alpie are it could be a considerable drop. Imagine the coaster interacting with those two rides.

And Busch Gardens turning into Hersheypark? No thanks.

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What's the terrain even like in that area? Obviously there's the ravine that Alpengeist and Le Scoot run through, but it isn't nearly as deep as, say, where the Rhine runs. What kind of terrain do they really have to work with?

 

There are some hills in the area. If it drops down the ravine where Le Scoot and Alpie are it could be a considerable drop. Imagine the coaster interacting with those two rides.

 

There isn't really much to work with back there actually that isn't already taken up by Alpengeist or the Log Flume. Alpengeist pretty much goes all the way back to the Festhaus loading area, and there's the service road between Alepngeist and DarKastle which is needed not only as a service road, but for emergency vehicles. Other than that, you're mostly looking at flat ground. Between the train and the log flume there isn't much room, and it's mostly flat. There are small hills, but nothing that would allow for a big trench drop down like you have in the old BBW site pre-Verbolten (since they leveled a lot of that out for the Verbolten show room) or LNM. On the other side of the train is also flat, and is actually a very small area between the train and the service road. Any ride crossing the tracks there is very unlikely, and a wooden coaster would shock me even more because of the size of their support structure vs. the clearance needed for the train (leaving very little space left over til the service road).

 

As to interaction, while not impossible, there isn't much space left around Alpengeist in that area that new construction wouldn't violate a reach envelope for either ride. What little space there is between Alpie and the flume is used by yet another service road for the water main return servicing for the flume. The flume is a pretty tricky animal because there's lots of pavement and piping going on back there. Not impossible, but rather impractical. I'm not opposed to ride interaction, I just don't see it as super likely (I still say they missed an opportunity to wrap Tempesto around AC... only half joking hah)

 

If they wanted to be really funky and creative, it could go over pathways in France and into that little grassy area behind the Royal Palace Theater, but that would involve going over some large eating areas, paved areas, Trappers, the employee park entrance, the train, caribou station, and multiple shops. That's unlikely.

 

As I see it, there's really only three major options worth entertaining on the current information:

 

1) This is a family coasters.

 

2) This is not a coaster

 

3) This is smoke and mirrors and if there is a major ride coming, it's going somewhere else.

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What's the terrain even like in that area? Obviously there's the ravine that Alpengeist and Le Scoot run through, but it isn't nearly as deep as, say, where the Rhine runs. What kind of terrain do they really have to work with?

 

There are some hills in the area. If it drops down the ravine where Le Scoot and Alpie are it could be a considerable drop. Imagine the coaster interacting with those two rides.

 

There isn't really much to work with back there actually that isn't already taken up by Alpengeist or the Log Flume. Alpengeist pretty much goes all the way back to the Festhaus loading area, and there's the service road between Alepngeist and DarKastle which is needed not only as a service road, but for emergency vehicles. Other than that, you're mostly looking at flat ground. Between the train and the log flume there isn't much room, and it's mostly flat. There are small hills, but nothing that would allow for a big trench drop down like you have in the old BBW site pre-Verbolten (since they leveled a lot of that out for the Verbolten show room) or LNM. On the other side of the train is also flat, and is actually a very small area between the train and the service road. Any ride crossing the tracks there is very unlikely, and a wooden coaster would shock me even more because of the size of their support structure vs. the clearance needed for the train (leaving very little space left over til the service road).

 

As to interaction, while not impossible, there isn't much space left around Alpengeist in that area that new construction wouldn't violate a reach envelope for either ride. What little space there is between Alpie and the flume is used by yet another service road for the water main return servicing for the flume. The flume is a pretty tricky animal because there's lots of pavement and piping going on back there. Not impossible, but rather impractical. I'm not opposed to ride interaction, I just don't see it as super likely (I still say they missed an opportunity to wrap Tempesto around AC... only half joking hah)

 

If they wanted to be really funky and creative, it could go over pathways in France and into that little grassy area behind the Royal Palace Theater, but that would involve going over some large eating areas, paved areas, Trappers, the employee park entrance, the train, caribou station, and multiple shops. That's unlikely.

 

As I see it, there's really only three major options worth entertaining on the current information:

 

1) This is a family coasters.

 

2) This is not a coaster

 

3) This is smoke and mirrors and if there is a major ride coming, it's going somewhere else.

 

I'm going with 3. It makes no sense to hype a family coaster this early.

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