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P. 445 - Busch Gardens' Mardi Gras Celebration

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^ No not at all. The path back there was purpose built for Drachen Fire. I see no reason it couldn't just be re-used as is. People on here sometimes claim the location doomed Drachen Fire and it's just not true.

Rephrasing - it's not so much the path itself but the bottleneck between that corner of Festhaus and the green barrier next to Autobahn. During Howl-O-Scream last year that little corner was packed with people going in both directions, very claustrophobic. Though, I'm pretty sure it would be against Busch Gardens' many best landscaping awards to get rid of those trees and such...

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Halloween Harvest, or “Howl-o-Scream Lite.” Busch Gardens is sticking with its “reservations only/limited attendance” events with Halloween Harvest during October. This is sort of “Howl-o-Scream

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Let the Good Times Roll: Mardi Gras Celebration at Busch Gardens It's cold and gloomy outside my window today, so it's a good thing that I chose yesterday to check out Busch Gardens' version of M

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Drachen Fire was rough but no worse than most Arrow. The restraints were unique and should have been changed before the ride opened, and that they never were even after lawsuits was unbelievable. Basically solid steel with about a half mm of hard rubber coating, placed at perfect level to break necks. If your body tapped them, you felt pain. If your head hit them as hard as on the on the average B&M, you had to check for permanent damage. I rode it a LOT because it was good and unpopular, but it wasn't a ride to relax and not worry on, penalties were severe for any mistake.

 

The location may have had a snowball effect, if lots of traffic people knew it was there, once low traffic most didn't.

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Wait this park is seriously teasing a 2017 coaster earlier than basically everyone else after they waited until Tempesto was done before announcing it? Are they bipolar?

 

Wait... maybe that's a clue! Bi-polar... Polar... ... Polercoaster!

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New for 2017: Drachen Fire 2.0, built by B&M as originally intended.

 

I bet RMC could do a better job with a DF inspired rehash! I wonder if RMC is ever considering an all steel model. They teased the monorail prototype after all. While I love their wood makeover, I'd be interested to see their take on more traditional steel supports on an all steel coaster with their crazy inversions and elements.

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It should be interesting following this one.

 

I am with others that thinks the land between Ireland and England could use something new. It always seems like such a long, drawn out walk back to England from Griffon at the end of a hot day at the park.

 

Of course, if we had our wits about us, perhaps we would start there in the morning and end up coming back to England from Italy?

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New for 2017: Drachen Fire 2.0, built by B&M as originally intended.

 

I bet RMC could do a better job with a DF inspired rehash! I wonder if RMC is ever considering an all steel model. They teased the monorail prototype after all. While I love their wood makeover, I'd be interested to see their take on more traditional steel supports on an all steel coaster with their crazy inversions and elements.

 

Now that would be interesting.

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Please no more RMC, until they can come up with something new. Every coaster is basically the same

 

I strongly disagree with that. Even Outlaw Run and Goliath are world's apart. Literally everything they do is something new.

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Please no more RMC, until they can come up with something new. Every coaster is basically the same
come up with something new

I hope this is a joke.

 

Not at all, and its just IMO, while the ride layouts are different, its all the same elements. Never said they where bad rides, in fact out law run is a stunning coaster

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Please no more RMC, until they can come up with something new. Every coaster is basically the same
come up with something new

I hope this is a joke.

 

Not at all, and its just IMO, while the ride layouts are different, its all the same elements. Never said they where bad rides, in fact out law run is a stunning coaster

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Never been on one myself, so I'm probably not the best person to talk here, but I would agree that all of their coasters look, at the very least, pretty similar to each other. But that's pretty much equivalent to saying that all of the early B&M inverted coasters (Batman, Top Gun, Nemesis) are similar / "equal" as well.

 

Most of the Rocky Mountain coasters do share very similar characteristics - incredibly steep drops, heavily-banked turns, variations on the zero-G roll (heartline roll, regular zero-G roll, zero-G stall, top gun stall), layouts that feel more like a fun drawing than a logically-laid-out design (not necessarily a bad thing), experimentation with outward-banked turns, and other things. But it's a formula that works, apparently, so they're having well-earned success with it.

 

If Busch Gardens Williamsburg were to get an installation, I'd want it to be a little less extravagant - a little more humble, like Storm Chaser. Maybe they could do a design that has the "Rocky Mountain brand secret sauce" that we love but is a little more accessible and less intimidating to younger riders. I think it's also time for another coaster or attraction at Busch Gardens that doesn't break the treeline.

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Agreed, but my original thought was not a standard rmc, but rather an all steel rmc, perhaps on the monorail design they teased. That monorail track would allow all the crazy stuff they already do, sprinkled into more traditional loops and corkscrew style inversions. The heartiness of the track allows minimal supports, so you could see a very free, very open, very twisted coaster concept that could fit in a tighter plot than many modern monsters like beemers.

 

A while back I made a coaster in no limits on a simulated version of the Drachen Fire site to see how much coaster you could fit back there. Using the old station and train barn dimmensions, I was able to squeeze in a single lift 16 inversion coaster with 4 trains and duel loading that stayed within the footprint and layout of Drachen fire, and didn't step on verbolten. If RMC was allowed to put a monorail coaster back there, I bet we'd all be blown away with the design.

 

But of course, we don't know it's a coaster, we don't know who is commissioned even if it is a coaster, and we don't have any clues where this mystery ride is even going. That said, I'm glad for the early teaser. It got people talking and pumped about BGW in the midst of an already exciting build year for other parks.

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Please no more RMC, until they can come up with something new. Every coaster is basically the same

I understand where Ross is coming from in terms of them feeling very similar, I mean, I really felt that Medusa and Wicked Cyclone felt, really, really, REALLY close other than some obvious track layout differences, the feeling was similar. That being said, I still feel that RMC's coasters are far and above better than just about anything else coming out these days. I guess you can say that a lot of the Intamin non-looping coasters all "feel" similar too - Millennium Force, Superman Trio, Mega-Lite's, SkyRush, etc, but I wouldn't be upset if a park, no wait, EVERY park built one of those!

 

IMO, having "too many RMC's" is the epitome of "first world problems."

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Wow, this kinda came from left field. Maybe trying to make up from Tempesto?

 

Am I the only one who possibly heard the '17-story' part in the video? It sounded like that to me; I'm not positive.

 

I think the 17 in the video was referencing 2017, the year.

 

I am thinking this will most likely be either a wood coaster (RMC, GCI, Intamin?) or a Mack Spinner, similar to Cobra's Curse. I'll tell you why.

 

What doesn't BGW already have at this point? They have 7 steel coasters, so I think a woodie is possible. I'd really like it if they used terrain if it was. A woodie would also have to be quiet, which leads me to believe it would be of the modern variety (RMC, Intamin). But the park has a lot of intense thrilling coasters, so maybe a family friendly RMC?

 

I think if we are seeing a steel coaster, it will be more geared towards families, like Cobra's Curse is. This park already has 3 huge B&M's, all of which are taller than 195', and they're all pretty intense. I don't think the park would add another huge B&M mega-looper to their already thrilling coaster line up. I also don't think we're seeing any type of launching coaster considering the past 2 coasters have launched.

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Great photos, thanks for sharing them. I'm still bummed that I never got to ride Drachen Fire. For those that did get to ride it, was it really that rough? It looks like it had some really cool elements and it must've had some great airtime on that camel back hill.

 

I was fortunate to ride it shortly after it opened. At the time it was my 2nd favorite steel behind Steel Phantom. I really enjoyed the ride and didn't think it was that rough. Then again, I had ridden so many Arrow loopers I was probably used to it.

 

As for the current teaser, can't wait to see what is planned. Would love to see something that is a spin off of Drachenfire.

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^ I think shockwave and GASM were rougher than DF personally, and none of those were as bad as flight of fear with the OTSRs, but the BGW target audience typically isn't into any of the above. I'll always be bitter it's gone, but I don't have any question as to why is gone.

 

Also, if it Ireland gets a wooden coaster, I'd like to suggest "Potato Famine: The Ride" for the name.

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I too think this will be a coaster of the RMC variety. But It is fun to imagine a terrain Intamin pre-fab at BGW. It would be incredible. A Intamin pre-fab would also be unique seeing we only have one in the United States.

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