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It's grown on me, and it's a solid ride for what it is...my problem is just that I expect Busch Gardens Williamsburg to do so much better. This is the park that put in the Spider-Man Ride system, that somehow came up with a suitable high-themed replacement for Big Bad Wolf, that one-upped Sheikra in Tampa, that has one of the best chute the chute rides out there, several other amazing-looking and riding B&M's.

 

It's gonna be a minorly-themed clone. Six Flags could have done this and has, any park could have done this. I expect more from the Busch Gardens brand. If this was the same ride type but with double the ride length, a dual-loading station, a proper announcement, a well-developed story, and didn't look so gangly and clashing next to Apollo (just some of what people have thrown out) I would be more excited. It is what it is, and at least it IS something cool as the company is having attendance, revenue, and PR issues.

 

It especially looks a little down while seemingly every other park is putting in their "Yep the economy has recovered and here's our best effort" level of attraction this year.

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What irks me is the numerous complaints about the ride in general. I worked for this park many, many years and always supported what they did. Am I biased? Sure! I loved working for the park (especially under the old A-B regime), but times change.

First, people are going to complain the park is due for this coaster or that coaster..etc....and now the the park has made the investment for another coaster (especially after Verbolten).

Second, the park has plans in place to reduce wait times and the lines (not talking about Quick-Que-which will not be active for this coaster). Give it time...it does have a low capacity, but it also is a new ride and people want to experience it.

I'm more than satisfied with the result and the locals and tourists alike will eat this thing up. Remember, the entire park chain is going through an 'identity' and financial crisis and it shows the commitment in making this type of investment. Did you want a flat ride instead for the 40th Anniversary?

 

I'm happy for the park to get this coaster....no matter what color it is and where it is placed. It will blend it rather nice when the trees are in full bloom again and compliment the colors with its sister right next to it. The story fits the theme and the area it is located. For those who have NOT ridden any of the sister coasters....CHILL OUT and give it a chance when you ride it, then form your opinion.

Everyone is in the right to have an opinion, but until you wait until the ride is actually OPEN and ride it...then give us your opinion.

Also, Larry Giles (Engineering Dir.) has told me that this will be the most intense coaster in the parks line up. It will be exiting to see how the 3-cars act with the layout versus 2-cars.

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I'm not saying this is for sure going to be a good ride, and I didn't like it at first either, but:

 

1) The VERY few people in this thread that have seen it in person from in the park seem to think it fits well in festa.

 

2) No one has ridden it yet. We have no idea how the third car will change forces, and I have yet to meet anyone who thinks the other clones are tame and boring.

 

I too like BGW theming when they do it, but if you're trying to tell me AC has good themeing, you're smoking rocks. They painted an old midride queue house and put an ugly throne in front of it. So far, with construction not even done yet, Tempesto has more visible theming.

 

Hell there's no real theming for griffon either, though at least the station is nicer than AC. Doesn't mean either are a bad ride.

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Also, Larry Giles (Engineering Dir.) has told me that this will be the most intense coaster in the parks line up. It will be exiting to see how the 3-cars act with the layout versus 2-cars.

 

He said this at Passholder Preview Day, too. I rather like Premier coasters, so I'm looking forward to Tempesto.

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He said this at Passholder Preview Day, too. I rather like Premier coasters, so I'm looking forward to Tempesto.

 

Superman @ SFDK is a hell of a lot of fun so Tempesto is sure to deliver.

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Superman @ SFDK is a hell of a lot of fun so Tempesto is sure to deliver.

 

And the more I hear statements like this, the more I anticipate for this ride. BGW says this will be their most intense coaster so I'm not going to complain. I may not make it to the park this summer but hopefully I'll get the chance for HOS.

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Superman @ SFDK is a hell of a lot of fun so Tempesto is sure to deliver.

 

And the more I hear statements like this, the more I anticipate for this ride. BGW says this will be their most intense coaster so I'm not going to complain. I may not make it to the park this summer but hopefully I'll get the chance for HOS.

I can believe it. Superman is pretty intense in the back seat and that's only row 6, you guys will have 9 rows to choose from and I'm betting row 9 is gonna be where it's at.

 

The only bummer is the OTSRs, but they seem unassuming enough from the photos.

 

I can get where the complaints are coming from, but honestly, if you had to get a clone, this is the clone to get! I think you guys will appreciate it a lot more once it opens.

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I'm not saying this is for sure going to be a good ride, and I didn't like it at first either, but:

 

1) The VERY few people in this thread that have seen it in person from in the park seem to think it fits well in festa.

 

2) No one has ridden it yet. We have no idea how the third car will change forces, and I have yet to meet anyone who thinks the other clones are tame and boring.

 

I too like BGW theming when they do it, but if you're trying to tell me AC has good themeing, you're smoking rocks. They painted an old midride queue house and put an ugly throne in front of it. So far, with construction not even done yet, Tempesto has more visible theming.

 

Hell there's no real theming for griffon either, though at least the station is nicer than AC. Doesn't mean either are a bad ride.

I am referring to the theme of Tempesto, not A/C.

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I can believe it. Superman is pretty intense in the back seat and that's only row 6, you guys will have 9 rows to choose from and I'm betting row 9 is gonna be where it's at.

 

The only bummer is the OTSRs, but they seem unassuming enough from the photos.

 

I can get where the complaints are coming from, but honestly, if you had to get a clone, this is the clone to get! I think you guys will appreciate it a lot more once it opens.

 

Agreed. Also, B:TRs are clones and they are 2nd in my top 3 B&Ms with #1 going to S:KC @ SFFT.

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I can believe it. Superman is pretty intense in the back seat and that's only row 6, you guys will have 9 rows to choose from and I'm betting row 9 is gonna be where it's at.

 

The only bummer is the OTSRs, but they seem unassuming enough from the photos.

 

I can get where the complaints are coming from, but honestly, if you had to get a clone, this is the clone to get! I think you guys will appreciate it a lot more once it opens.

 

Agreed. Also, B:TRs are clones and they are 2nd in my top 3 B&Ms with #1 going to S:KC @ SFFT.

True but those wouldn't make sense for BGW because of Alpengeist.

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To clarify, I don't think Tempesto is a bad addition. For all those complaining that it is a clone, it is one of three in the world, with the other two located in California and Germany, so it's not like every park in the chain has gotten it before and you can find it at any remotely nearby parks. Premier rides are always thrilling (The Chiller at SFGA was one of my favorite coasters of all time despite rarely operating), so I really look forward to riding this. My only complaint was the color scheme in relation to Apollo's Chariot being in the background, but once I'm on the ride itself none of that will matter. Also for those upset that Busch got another launch coaster, this launch will probably be much more intense than Verbolten, not to mention there is no such thing as too many launches. To me that's like saying "Why are they adding another roller coaster with a drop? They already have one like that". To sum it up, my only complaint with Tempesto is not even the ride itself, it's the existence of Apollo's Chariot

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I feel like most people are butthurt that it isn't a B&M strata looper wingrider launched coaster.

 

I can safely say that this is not an issue for me personally.

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Guys if this makes you feel any better I can tell you this. I had the privilege of riding Superman at Six Flags Discovery Kingdom in early January. The Ride is very intense in G-Forces as in positive g-force.the george is from the quick 90 degree pull up and then the twist whips you around. The airtime in the ride comes from the twist to inversion part of the ride. If you sit in the front row it was definitely good airtime. Otherwise the rest of the ride is plain out fun. There is no waisted space on this roller coaster. In California only in my opinion only Xcelerator, Medusa, x2, and Tatsu are better. Even full throttle is not as good.

The ride may not be the addition you thought you were going to get but it is definitely an above average roller coaster. Also I don't know if you guys have noticed but I think this entire ride has been stretched out horizontally due to the longer length of trains. Do you guys know? In some pictures on Behind the Thrills it seems that it may be.

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^ Look at the non-inverted loop supports. Different on Tempesto than on the other models. Stretched ride indeed.

 

Actually, I think the complain for it being a clone is not that you can already ride it on two differents locations already ; those are indeed far apart so it's not a problem. But -to me at least-, it's more like a lack of reflexion from Busch Gardens. They choosed a ride from a catalogue, bam, done. That's a bit easy for a park that otherwise is very original and uses its setting very well (yet Griffon is almost a clone too).

 

About the harness, they said in the video that it was for comfort only and did not mentioned any disabled people access... So was that only a rumor?

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^ Yeah, I think that's the main problem. It's a good coaster and I love the concept, but people expect more from a quality park like BGW. I like the coaster (well, except the otsr). Actually, my main concern here is the capacity. Seems too low for this park. Btw, anyone knows how much does this coaster costs?

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The ride experience itself looks like it will be decent. Launch with forward & backwards action. It's definitely an improvement on the Mauer Sohne skyloop, as it doesn't have that awful part where you hang upside down coming off the lift.

 

It is shoehorned in and cut trees out of a part of the park that doesn't have a lot of them. That whole area was sort of a congestion point anyhow with only one way out and in and it will be worse now.

 

But the only main issue is capacity. Is it correct they were considering a transfer table and went the cheaper route? A Mr. Freeze type transfer table with 3 car trains would have made the capacity bearable. No major park should have 1 train coasters these days with the technology that is available. Even shuttles!

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I can believe it. Superman is pretty intense in the back seat and that's only row 6, you guys will have 9 rows to choose from and I'm betting row 9 is gonna be where it's at.

 

The only bummer is the OTSRs, but they seem unassuming enough from the photos.

 

I can get where the complaints are coming from, but honestly, if you had to get a clone, this is the clone to get! I think you guys will appreciate it a lot more once it opens.

 

Agreed. Also, B:TRs are clones and they are 2nd in my top 3 B&Ms with #1 going to S:KC @ SFFT.

True but those wouldn't make sense for BGW because of Alpengeist.

 

Batman The Ride is flawless to the point that I wouldn't mind it if my home park (SFGAm) decided to drop another one right across the midway from the original.

 

Or if they burninated Superman Ultimate Fluff and planted one in it's place.

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The ride experience itself looks like it will be decent. Launch with forward & backwards action. It's definitely an improvement on the Mauer Sohne skyloop, as it doesn't have that awful part where you hang upside down coming off the lift.

 

It is shoehorned in and cut trees out of a part of the park that doesn't have a lot of them. That whole area was sort of a congestion point anyhow with only one way out and in and it will be worse now.

 

But the only main issue is capacity. Is it correct they were considering a transfer table and went the cheaper route? A Mr. Freeze type transfer table with 3 car trains would have made the capacity bearable. No major park should have 1 train coasters these days with the technology that is available. Even shuttles!

 

I also wish they'd gone with the dual-loading station, but I think they were concerned about increased technical issues. As for the trees, well, most of them were sandwiched between Apollo's Chariot and a number of buildings, outside of guest areas, anyway.

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It's definitely an improvement on the Mauer Sohne skyloop, as it doesn't have that awful part where you hang upside down coming off the lift.

 

I personally quite like the part where your hung upside down under at the top of the lift for the pure reason of how weird and stupid it is. Ive only been on one Skyloop and it was really dumb but a lot of fun. I couldn't say how I think this would compare but I'm sure it will be a fun yet not amazing ride.

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^It will be one of four actually as one is being built in Mexico this year as well.

 

I feel like most people are butthurt that it isn't a B&M strata looper wingrider launched coaster.

 

I think parks (excluding Cedar Fair) are realizing that you don't have to drop 30 million on a beemer to thrill guests. I mean just look at Lightning Run for instance, I love this new era of less is more

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