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P. 443 - A Night at Busch Gardens' Christmas Celebration

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Yeah, I don't get why people have such a big problem with clones when they're good rides. I'd understand the complaining if BGW was getting a low-quality clone like a Boomerang or a Volare, but from what I've heard, S:UF at SFDK is a great ride, and I'm sure that this coaster will be great too. After all, isn't that really all that matters?

 

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^ I agree with everyone in this thread standing up for clones. I've been on several iterations of BTR at various Six Flags parks, and never once did I get in line thinking "aw shucks, here comes another clone I've already been on." It's a great ride!

 

I only had 3 fears with this ride at Busch, and two of them have been squashed:

 

1) They were going to tear out too many trees.

 

Turns out, they actually didn't remove very much at all, and while you will see this ride from the parking lot, the base will still be hidden, and I think it actually is turning out to work pretty nicely.

 

2) It's a clone of a possibly medicore ride.

 

Turns out, it's a great ride! So as long as they don't do something stupid, this should be awesome.

 

3) Capacity.

 

This is the only question mark up in the air, but like Chuck said, there's no use getting up in arms about "low capacity" on a ride that hasn't even been built yet.

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I think this will be a great addition to the park. Yeah, it's a clone. However, it's a really great ride. Unique, intense (ranging from crushing positive G's to powerful ejector air), and just plain fun. I've ridden Superman at SFDK at least 300 times (by my estimate), and it never gets old.

As for, capacity, I wouldn't worry about that. If ride operators are quick, then the ride will chew through riders. Before the seat belts were added, the Superman crew would hustle riders through the process. It was astoundingly quick. I've seen how good BGW ride operations are, so I'd personally expect a quick-moving line...as in less than a minute from hitting the brakes until the next launch. Virginia locals are in for a treat!

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3) Capacity.

 

This is the only question mark up in the air, but like Chuck said, there's no use getting up in arms about "low capacity" on a ride that hasn't even been built yet.

 

Yeah, and to be honest, we should be able to wait in a line for a good ride. I have never judged coasters on or never will by asking "Was that worth the wait?" I just find that stupid - waiting and riding are two different things.

 

I think we all need to remember that some parks have stopped going with the large scale, multi million dollar attractions for a variety of reasons. We need to be grateful for what we have - some parks are getting nothing this year.

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It's more of unexpected than a disappointment. It's still a ride that is quite fun, just doesn't seem like Busch Gardens to get a coaster that you would find at other parks, ESPECIALLY Six Flags. It's not a bad coaster, just an odd choice for Busch Gardens.

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^What are you talking about? Was Python a totally unique ride? How about Scorpion? Wild Maus? I agree with a previous poster, yes there might be a unique element to some of their coasters, but for the most part they are all traditional track styles with designs that can and have been duplicated elsewhere. Busch is a great company but I think the pedistol that everyone is placing their coasters on is a little high.

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^^I would expect that this ride will compete with alpengeist/AC for best in the park. Not sure where you got the information that these are average rides..

 

The only real detractor about this ride is the capacity. I much preferred Superman to SFMM's Yolo.

 

Seems to me that Busch wanted a quick throw away ride. The ride is good enough on its own, it's not really taking up any valuable real estate and I'm sure it is relatively inexpensive compared to most other coasters.

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Finally got to do a show run last Saturday. Thanks to the rain, crowds were minimal compared to pretty much every other day during the season.

 

- Scrooge No More was great. Not as good as Fiends or Monster Stomp but definitely a great show.

- Gloria didn't have the strong vocals it had last year. Kinda a disappointment

- Deck the Halls was good, but its kinda hard to screw up generic Christmas tunes.

- Miracles was cancelled thanks to the rain.

 

Tempesto is coming up nicely. Lots of work going on over there. I think its about time the ride gets announced. Once it opens, you'll be able to get some sweet upskirt shots from Apollo's queue.

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Everyone is posting their thoughts on this thing so I figure I might as well do the same.

 

I'll start off by saying that this is definitely a strange move by the park. Comparable to their other coasters (and others across the chain), it seems like a cheap impulse buy. Whether it be to draw in some attendance, boost pass sales, or for some other unforeseen reason, I do not know. I stand firm in my belief that Festa Italia always has been, and probably always will be the bastard child of Busch Gardens. This ride seems to be taking that one step further.

 

I do not have a problem with the coaster in itself. Superman and Sky Scream are very well received rides so I don't at all doubt its ability to deliver as a coaster. Dare I go as far as say it might be the best coaster in the park. My main concern with it is capacity. Given the train size it will have an output comparable to that of Alpine Express. Granted, the ride ops at BGW are more than capable of sending a train out in a timely manner, and granted, the park does not get very busy during most days in the summer. Yet, compared to rides in the park like Griffon, Verbolten, Apollo, etc, it doesn't quite match up. And of course there is always the option of not getting in line if it is too long. A lot of people don't understand that it seems.

 

At the moment it is obviously unclear to judge how the ride will impact the area visually when finished. I must say I'm not the biggest fan of the orange, but so be it. I do like the track color a lot. It was my hope that the ride would include an overhaul and upgrade of Festa Italia (think Pantopia), but I'm not clinging to that idea so much anymore.

 

In short, people should be grateful that the park is getting a ride at all, and a decent looking one at that. If you are going to hold it over for the park, don't ride it. It's that simple. And honestly, if they're going to add an eyesore of a ride (which it may end up not being even), Festa is exactly where I want it.

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-People are out here bitching about getting a "clone" of a ride which only has 3 other copies in the entire world.

 

- People commenting on a ride they have never ridden

 

- People thinking they can play the role of park GM.

 

Yes this sounds about right for an enthusiast forum. Every needs to calm down and enjoy the fact that BGW is adding a new quality attraction. BGW isn't known for making boneheaded mistakes when adding rides, so I highly doubt this will be a dud. We don't even know all the details yet without the announcement. Who knows how they are theming it with landscaping etc. Busch knows what they are doing, have faith.

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I'll start off by saying that this is definitely a strange move by the park. Comparable to their other coasters (and others across the chain), it seems like a cheap impulse buy. Whether it be to draw in some attendance, boost pass sales, or for some other unforeseen reason, I do not know. I stand firm in my belief that Festa Italia always has been, and probably always will be the bastard child of Busch Gardens. This ride seems to be taking that one step further.

 

 

Hmm--considering that Festa Italia is already the home of both Apollo's Chariot and Roman Rapids, I'm don't agree with your "bastard stepchild" comment. I'm am curious to see how the area will look once the new coaster is finished, though.

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Yeah, I don't get why people have such a big problem with clones when they're good rides. I'd understand the complaining if BGW was getting a low-quality clone like a Boomerang or a Volare, but from what I've heard, S:UF at SFDK is a great ride, and I'm sure that this coaster will be great too. After all, isn't that really all that matters?

 

I wish B&M would clone Kumba...Please clone Kumba!

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-People are out here bitching about getting a "clone" of a ride which only has 3 other copies in the entire world.

 

- People commenting on a ride they have never ridden

 

- People thinking they can play the role of park GM.

 

Yes this sounds about right for an enthusiast forum. Every needs to calm down and enjoy the fact that BGW is adding a new quality attraction. BGW isn't known for making boneheaded mistakes when adding rides, so I highly doubt this will be a dud. We don't even know all the details yet without the announcement. Who knows how they are theming it with landscaping etc. Busch knows what they are doing, have faith.

 

Yep, this bickering is starting to get old. I feel like lot of enthusiasts are setting the bar way too high when it comes to new ride expectations. Just because this coaster is a clone (which really isn't that common) doesn't mean it can't potentially be great. Even if BGW was getting a clone of El Toro or Outlaw Run, I'm sure there would still be plenty of complaining.

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I'll start off by saying that this is definitely a strange move by the park. Comparable to their other coasters (and others across the chain), it seems like a cheap impulse buy. Whether it be to draw in some attendance, boost pass sales, or for some other unforeseen reason, I do not know. I stand firm in my belief that Festa Italia always has been, and probably always will be the bastard child of Busch Gardens. This ride seems to be taking that one step further.

 

 

Hmm--considering that Festa Italia is already the home of both Apollo's Chariot and Roman Rapids, I'm don't agree with your "bastard stepchild" comment. I'm am curious to see how the area will look once the new coaster is finished, though.

 

I'm thinking maybe he means that it doesn't quite mesh with the more classically themed areas throughout the rest of the park?

 

To me, Festa Italia has always seemed to be a carnival atmosphere, which I believe was the original intention- the Roman gods are having a grand old time and whatnot. I think the colors look fine (though perhaps after being a student at Bucknell and Virginia Tech I've become used to the pairing of orange with random other colors) and are fitting for a brightly colored area. The location practically on top of Apollo seems cool for the views. It's gonna look crazy, that's the point- now that it's gone vertical I can see how it will be so visible from the parking booths, which is great- I already get hyped up pulling in and seeing Apollo, this will add to it.

 

I'm much more disappointed with how Darkastle and Roman Rapids have trashed their original capacities by not running as they were designed than I am at any currently theoretical issues in the new rides capacity. Sure, it'll have huge lines next year, and hopefully will have lines for years to come cause everyone enjoys riding it.

 

I think the most confusing part of all this for me is that we're getting a roller coaster. They are not ripping out a classic attraction. They are taking up next to no land. We aren't building a ride that will prevent us from getting an existing Intamin version that would actually break down less and have better capacity. And best of all, they are ripping out that atrociously gaudy water wars that I associate with Farmer Brown's mini-golf, yet from the moaning seems that people prefer this in a "world class theme park" to an actual ride.

 

Anyway, I'm excited for this.

 

I'm also excited to share some more of my mediocre photos from Christmastown yesterday. I don't know if the rainy Saturday played a part but it was PACKED! I arrived at 2:30 and had to park in Italy, and they ended up using the overflow Scotland lot as well. Luckily for me I was content to walk around adoring the lights, riding Verbolten, and check out a really cool candle shop I had no idea existed in New France. Plans to check out the Festhaus menu were thwarted by the huge line to get into it, but I enjoyed some donuts, wassail, and cinnamon cranberry pretzel. The park was busy enough that at around 8 they extended the closing time to 10 PM, though the crowd had really thinned out by then. It's a nice gesture, but when the main attraction is shows, and extending the hours doesn't make any new showtimes I'm not sure how much it helps. Glad to see the event is so successful though, and hoping they can figure out ways to expand the offerings to be even more awesome next year.

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With Santa managing the construction I'd say we're in good hands.

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So pretty from the outside. I wasn't waiting 2 hours to party with Santa again though.

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Do you wanna eat a snowman?

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So much lights.

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Reminds me a bit of Tangled's lanterns, which is awesome.

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Still impressed at the festive Peppermint Swirl.

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Happy Christmas!

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A lovely evening in the gardens.

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Festa Italia represents a festival in honor of Marco Polo's journey to China, which is why it has its colorful, carnival-like atmosphere. I agree that it could use some "freshening" up, as the park did with Oktoberfest and Ireland (it used to be called Hastings and had more of a "medieval" England feel to it).

 

I ate at the Festhaus last Friday night, and it was mobbed then, too. I think I'll sample their holiday fare at another restaurant this Friday.

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I'm much more disappointed with how Darkastle and Roman Rapids have trashed their original capacities by not running as they were designed than I am at any currently theoretical issues in the new rides capacity.

 

Just out of curiosity, what did they do to trash their capacities? DarKastle isn't a ride I really enjoy, so I haven't really been on it since 2006/2007 (though I rode it a LOT in 2005/2006), and no one in my family ever wants to go on Rapids. Did they change something on those rides in the last few years?

 

Also since Hastings got mentioned, maybe I'm just being overly nostalgic, but I really preferred Hastings to Ireland

Questor really hasn't been topped by any of the motion simulator rides since. Corkscrew hill was ok, but I remember thinking that it was lacking in comparison. Europe in Air and King Arthur's Challenger were both... yeah it doesn't even need to be said.

I also really enjoyed the shooting gallery there when I was younger, LOVED Thread Needle Fair (which I'm guessing is gone due to liability reasons. Some of those games were a bit dangerous!) And lets not forget the best feature BGW ever removed, the monorail that led straight to the brewery tour!

 

And speaking of removed rides and old school Festa, I wonder whatever happened to The Sea Dragon? It was a rather thrilling flat ride that used to be where the Apollo station is now. I've never seen a ride like it anywhere else in the world. I know Gladiator's Gauntlet got sold to a park in spain somewhere, I wonder if the same happened to the Sea Dragon?

 

Here's a video if anyone forgets what it is/never saw it and is curious

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I agree with half the statement regarding the operations of Roman Rapids and DarKastle. On the former, the park now brings three rafts into the station, then stops the loading turntable (rather than running it constantly, as in the past)--this really slowed down the loading time. As for DarKastle, I haven't noticed any real issues with operations and wait times, except that they rarely use the double unloading station (although they still load two sleds at a time on most days).

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Ah, the Sea Dragon--that was a fun ride (and I'm not a big fan of flat rides). Gladiator's Gauntlet was good, too, but it had a number of mechanical issues.

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It's funny, a few months ago I was looking at an aerial view of BGW to try and determine where they might fit another coaster. Let me just say, at the base of AC was not anywhere on the list. It's quite clever how they figured out that they can fit an awesome new ride in such a small space. I'll be making a return trip in the spring

 

They didn't take up any valuable real estate, and BGW gets a new coaster, very smart move in my opinion.

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