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P. 456: Information about Christmas Town 2021!

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Thinking about coming for the last night of the season? Better spring for Quick Queue, as they're already using the overflow parking lot and preferred parking is for Platinum Passholders only.

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I do find it strange also that Verbolten can operate in lower temperatures than the B&Ms. Do you happen to know the minimum temp for it? If it's the same, then they probably only keep it open to avoid the hassel of having more than one coaster open, and Verbolten is accessible to the most riders, and is certainly the most family friendly. I actually went to CT the year Alpengeist was running, and it was pretty fun riding Alpengeist in December!

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This is especially true of the grease on the wheel carriage, which is why I'm shocked to learn Verbolten can operate lower than B&Ms (if it can). They actually tested Drachen Fire with heaters on the lift and block brakes, because it was a particularly cold winter/early spring, and if the trains stopped there, they were worried about it not getting back moving again (and I would strongly speculate is why a lot of coasters open a bit later in the season, with testing starting when the weather is a bit warmer, but that is just speculation).

 

One of my more interesting memories from way back when I was a ride op was shutting down Big Bad Wolf because it was too cold. It warmed back up a bit later in the evening (Virginia for you) and we got a go ahead to re-open the ride, but when we started cycling trains, a train out on the safety brakes wouldn't move. We basically ended up staying closed for the rest of the night with one train stuck out on the safety brakes and one train stuck out on lift 2, and there was nothing anyone could do about it until the weather warmed up enough to get the train moving again.

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Okay... I've seen these replies about rides not running under low temperatures.

So, I was planning on visiting BGW between Dec 20~Dec 31 with some of my friends. We were talking about how we were gonna have fun on all those signature rides such as Apollo's Chariot and Griffon, but after reading the comments, I have a feeling that we might have to change the direction of the trip.

 

So.. if we were visiting for rides, would you guys suggest not to go in that particular season? Is there no possibility at all that all the rides will operate?

 

Thanks guys!

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Okay... I've seen these replies about rides not running under low temperatures.

So, I was planning on visiting BGW between Dec 20~Dec 31 with some of my friends. We were talking about how we were gonna have fun on all those signature rides such as Apollo's Chariot and Griffon, but after reading the comments, I have a feeling that we might have to change the direction of the trip.

 

So.. if we were visiting for rides, would you guys suggest not to go in that particular season? Is there no possibility at all that all the rides will operate?

 

Thanks guys!

 

As Chuck and others have explained, Christmas Town is more focused on the Holiday. It is about the park atmosphere, shows, food, and shopping. Rides are secondary in this event. The park "tries" to have at least one major coaster open and some flats running, depending on the weather. Operating hours are from 2 pm to either 9 or 10 at night. Most of the event happens after the sun has gone down (only 2-3 hours of daylight).

 

During this time of the year in Virginia, we can have daytime temps as high as in the 60's-70's and lows in the 40's. On the flip side, we can get temps in the 30's-40's during the day and teen's-20's at night. Our weather is really fickle and can change quickly.

 

So I guess it comes down to your expectations; if you expect Christmas Town to be normal ride operations for the park, like in the spring, summer, and fall, then this would not be a good time to visit. If you want to visit to enjoy the beauty and seasonal offerings from the park, with whatever rides are open as a bonus, then you should go.

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Hard to believe that Christmas Town opens in less than two weeks (November 21). Seems like Howl-o-Scream just ended; however, I am looking forward to a nice prime rib sandwich at the Festhaus.

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Eh, I feel like Premier would mention that they're working on "a project" for the park off-handedly at the show. I wouldn't expect some grand announcement along the lines of Antarctica last year.

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It does seem a bit odd that BGW has "sat" on any new ride announcement for so long; in the past, they've revealed something during Passholder Appreciation Weekend (this was how they handled Mach Tower and Verbolten).

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^ Definitely odd. I wish they'd just go ahead and announce it already. I just hope they don't choose the Tempesto name. It sounds like a pasta dish.

 

Hey, why not sell "Tempesto" at the Italian restaurant and tie it to the new ride?

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With B&M's track record for being reliable, you'd think they'd be able to build something to handle cold weather.

How does this have anything to do with reliability? You're probably not going to find a full circuit coaster anywhere that can handle anything in the 40° area... I know off hand that parks HAVE tried to make it work. Millennium Force used to have heaters that warmed up the wheels while it was sitting in the station. They were still ineffective because by the time the train made it to the top of the lift, the wheels were cold again. Nothing short of installing heaters IN the train itself, there's not anything you can do about weather to make roller coasters run better. I can't even imagine how much that would cost...

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With B&M's track record for being reliable, you'd think they'd be able to build something to handle cold weather.

How does this have anything to do with reliability? You're probably not going to find a full circuit coaster anywhere that can handle anything in the 40° area...

 

I know I've said this a lot lately but Great Adventure runs their coasters in seemingly any temperature including temperatures way below 40 degrees. There must be a cut-off somewhere but I've never seen them hit it so some coasters can run in colder temperatures.

 

You're still right though, coasters being able to run in cold temperatures has nothing to do with the manufacturer's track record for reliability.

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^Try riding the Big Bad Wolf while it's snowing some day (well, if you still could ride it, that is). Talk about "brain freeze" . . . definitely an error in judgment on my part.

 

Getting back to the new coaster, I was driving by the park today and noticed two cranes: one in a parking lot and the other underneath Apollo's Chariot.

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^ i visited in September and I think those cranes were in the process of being installed. I its an odd placement for such a premier coaster if the rumors are true but i suppose its decent enough and it gives the park another credit. Really think the park could use a solid intamin prefab woody or rmc coaster. It would balance out the collection and bring something new and interesting to the area, also give i305 some competition.

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I'll be at Christmas Town the 6th and possibly 7th of December so hopefully I can get an update on the new coaster.

 

Speaking of Christmas Town, it'll be my first time back since their first year (2009), anything that I must check out while I'm there?

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