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P. 456: Information about Christmas Town 2021!

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Mäch Tower is open?!?! What!!!! No way! That's crazy. Every time I go its broken down...hopefully I'll get lucky next time I go. And has the Loch Ness monster train always not had the logo on the front of the train? In that photo, there was no logo. Thought it looked odd. Is Europe in the air up snd running? I've been to the park a bunch of times but still have yet to ride it.

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I think BGT is an excellent park; one of the best parks around, even. But BGW doesn't quite have that same level of awesomeness about it. Verbolten's a cool ride and all, but it's not a top-10 coaster like i305 just down the road or even as much fun as Cheetah Hunt at BGT. Alpengeist is one of my least favorite inverts (conversely, Montu is right at the top of my list, pending a ride on Banshee). While Loch Ness Monster is one of the best Arrow coasters, it's still an Arrow coaster. Apollo's Chariot blew my mind when I first rode it in spring 2002. But it doesn't have that WOW factor anymore.

You're strictly talking about roller coasters though. I believe that Busch Gardens Williamsburg is a much better complete experience. Plus the landscaping is just gorgeous!

 

 

There are several big things that people consider when ranking parks. For the comparison between BGW & BGT, I'm mainly considering the rides and the animal attractions. While I do agree that BGW is much better landscaped, I think BGT has the better ride collection and animal experiences. Unless there's something I've missed out on on my past visits, that is.

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So far, I prefer BGT over BGW. And I visited BGW first, am not particularly interested in African theming over European, and do feel BGW has more potential with its terrain (though BGT does an amazing job with what they have). I feel like I "got" the atmosphere of BGT right away, whereas I was a little "off" about BGW and had to gradually get into it, though that's not necessarily a sign of lower quality (also has happened to me with places as fine as SDC and Hersheypark). I think BGT also has a better coaster collection; one of the highest-quality in the nation. Then again, it matters little in the end as I have BGT as a top-5 park and BGW as a top-10 park, a small difference in the scheme of things.

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I am hoping that these "rumors" are false and are actually a distraction from what really is being planned. But if they are true I will try my best to look at the positives. It is hard for me to believe that BGW will built a roller coaster like this.

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It is hard for me to believe that BGW will built a roller coaster like this.

Why? The ride is really good! It probably has a higher capacity than when Wild Izzy was there. And if a park like Cedar Point can have Wicked Twister, why can't BGW put in one of these?

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I'm kind of okay with the coaster itself but apparently they're going to be ripping out a lot of green space for the Festa Italia expansion. For a park that consistently wins awards for its landscaping it seems kind of unusual.

 

Also, it looks like it will be built right near Apollo's Chariot's lift hill? Wouldn't that look a little weird?

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^To be fair, I've always thought Griffon absolutely ruins that money shot of Loch Ness and Alpengeist. Very ugly in the way it doesn't come down to the river but instead sits a good thirty feet above it. The S:UF steel might look interesting...or it could really make the drive in to the park way look more Six Flags-ish.

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^I disagree with this completely, but different people have different tastes. I think this is one of the most impressive groupings of coasters you'll find anywhere.

 

And Robb makes a very good point here:

 

It is hard for me to believe that BGW will built a roller coaster like this.

Why? The ride is really good! It probably has a higher capacity than when Wild Izzy was there. And if a park like Cedar Point can have Wicked Twister, why can't BGW put in one of these?

 

Wild Izzy always looked "temporary" and was just an average ride; yet some local enthusiasts were upset when they replaced it with Curse of DarKastle (I wasn't in that group, as I was very pleased when they announced DarKastle).

 

As usual, I take a "wait-and-see" attitude when it comes to new rides, and I'm looking forward to a more "official" announcement from the park.

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Some of the resistance to the type of coaster in speculation strikes me as enthusiast elitism and snobbery. It's not like the installation of this clone will be taking up the space or denying the opportunity for any future attraction.

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The only thing that makes me a little more optimistic about the notion that it could be a Superman clone, is that it could end up with those fast-switching station platforms like Bosque Magico just announced their version will be having.

 

At the end of the day, a new coaster is never a bad thing. And a new coaster at Busch Gardens is especially a good thing. I like to believe that if they really are adding a ride like this, there will be some kind of thematic element and operational benefit that justifies it beyond what we as the enthusiasts can speculate on from the outside.

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Some of the resistance to the type of coaster in speculation strikes me as enthusiast elitism and snobbery. It's not like the installation of this clone will be taking up the space or denying the opportunity for any future attraction.

 

Football fans have "armchair quarterbacks." Coaster enthusiasts have "armchair park operators."

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Some of the resistance to the type of coaster in speculation strikes me as enthusiast elitism and snobbery. It's not like the installation of this clone will be taking up the space or denying the opportunity for any future attraction.

 

Football fans have "armchair quarterbacks." Coaster enthusiasts have "armchair park operators."

 

Word.

Some of the people on here and other places (fan site and Screamscape) are comparing the "alleged" new ride's capacity to Apollo's Chariot. I only see that as an issue if the park announces and markets the ride as the next Griffon or Apollo's. We're only two years removed from the park introducing a pretty high capacity attraction in Verbolten. It's not like this "horrible decision" (Lance's words) will cause people to not attend the park. If the line is too long for the park goer, they'll go ride something else.

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Remind me why we believe this won't have dual loading? I get that some aspects of the planning documents have to be accurate, but is it possible that whatever gave us that impression was a "placeholder" image that simply indicated the height or other dimensions, but was not meant as final word on the loading? Or that it's a change they would be allowed to make or announce later on versus now? It seems they were keeping things open to change.

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