Swimace Posted April 30, 2008 Share Posted April 30, 2008 I agree with you on the touring, I really don't like seeing a band in a huge venue for the most part, especially when it's assigned seating. It's not unusual for me to be that person standing outside of a venue hours before the doors open just so I can get a good spot, and arena concerts kind of ruin that. I like mid-sized venues that are big enough to get a large crowd going, but are small enough so that you can never feel too far away from the stage. When a venue is too small a show can sometimes seem less exciting (although that depends on the artist and genre of course). However, I've seen some really good concerts in large venues. One of my favorite bands of all time is The Shins and I saw them in The Atlanta Civic Center in the fall. My seat wasn't too close to the stage, the seats were really large and comfortable which kind of made the crowd seem a little bit too spread out. Even so, I just stood there in awe for the entire show because they were just incredible (call me bias or whatever, but I'm trying to make a point on one of my favorite bands that is pretty popular). Would they have seemed better in a smaller venue? Probably. But the fact that a lot of people would pay to go see them sure didn't detract from the experience. That's an interesting point you made about feeling a sense of ownership for a band. That makes a lot of sense, but I still think saying that if a band gets popular then it's ruined (referring to Disney Dood, not you). I could care less how many people like or dislike my favorite bands, but I think seeing a band go from a club tour to constant arena touring would make me sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disney Dood Posted April 30, 2008 Share Posted April 30, 2008 I don't understand the logic that a lot of people use that they can't like a popular band. If you like the music, why does it matter how many other people feel the same way? A band you like becoming popular can be a really good thing, it often means that they can afford to record higher quality music with better equipment. Sure, if a band becomes popular and sells out their sound then that's a bad thing, but if a good song gets picked up by MTV that doesn't change the words or the meaning. How can your favorite band becoming popular ruin them for you? Plus, bands that don't have fans are too poor to go on tour. True story. We actually discussed this in my English class a couple of weeks ago. I used to wonder the same thing, especially seeing how I was one of those people that never wanted my favorite bands to get too big. The class concluded that its largely because people feel that the band, in a sense, is their own. They discovered that band, and because not many other people know of them, its almost as if it's a unique characteristic for that person. Therefore, when the band becomes widely popular, people feel as if they are losing a part of themselves, or something that made them unique. I can understand why people would be bummed about it, but as you said, that doesn't make their music less good, unless they sell out of course... coughOARcough. But to add something to the debate that my class didn't discuss, I get bummed out a little because the live experience changes drastically. I love going to see the smaller bands I like simply because the live show is so much more intimate. For some, I could be at the very back of the venue and still only be 50-60 ft away. Even if the venue is medium-sized, it still beats an arena or a huge amphitheater. So that's an extra reason why it bums me out, but at the same time, I'm usually happy for the band and I can't say it "ruins" it for me. I totally agree with your post! Except IMO, when a band gets more popular, I don't feel like I lost a part of me and their music just becomes simpler, beatless music that is basically just made to be a music video. However, I really only feel like this about bands 1995-present day. I don't know why. Led Zeppelin, ACDC, The Beatles, Aerosmith, etc., happen to be some of my favorite bands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimace Posted April 30, 2008 Share Posted April 30, 2008 ^If music is good then it doesn't lose or gain meaning based on how many people here it. If people liking music means that music becomes meaningless pop that is simply made for MTV, then you're probably listening to bad music to begin with. That view just makes you sound like you're "too cool" to listen to music that other people know. I may be reading you wrong, but I think that's why you made that Fall Out Boy statement in the other thread. Saying "they're just bad" is kind of like saying "I shop at Hot Topic because I want to be like all the other non-conformists". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disney Dood Posted April 30, 2008 Share Posted April 30, 2008 ^ Yeah.... but Hot Topic sucks and most of the bands post-grunge/ska era that I listen to are probably never going to be popular. Which isn't even that many actually, since most of my favorite music is hard rock from the 60's and 70's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimace Posted April 30, 2008 Share Posted April 30, 2008 My point isn't about Hot Topic. What I'm try to say is that not listening to popular music doesn't make you an original person, it makes you a typical non-conformist, which is basically a contradiction of terms that equates to being a fraud. I hate when people become condescending over popular music with the "oh, you listen to that band..." type of attitude. If you listen to music based on what you like and not based on what others think then you're an original person. If you listen to music because it's popular or not popular then you're simply supporting an artist so that you can fit into a certain group. Scaparri made a really good point about feeling ownership of a band and a band's touring, but to say that the music changes based on how popular it is just doesn't make any sense to me. Just my opinion here, take it for what it is. If that sounded harsh it wasn't directed at you personally, just the idea of a person who dislikes a certain artist simply for the fact that they're popular. I understand that popularity can detract from the personal connection to some music, but just rejecting a band once they become popular is just a desperate attempt at appearing original or indie (assuming the band in question doesn't sell out of course) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucket Posted April 30, 2008 Share Posted April 30, 2008 ^ Yeah.... but Hot Topic sucks and most of the bands post-grunge/ska era that I listen to are probably never going to be popular. Which isn't even that many actually, since most of my favorite music is hard rock from the 60's and 70's. Who cares if the band you like becomes popular? Ugh, annoys me when people like bands only when they are unknown and then as soon as people start like them, they stop liking them because they apparently "sold out"... even if their music is still good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKI Jizzman Posted April 30, 2008 Share Posted April 30, 2008 I'm a fan of Gnarls Barkley. He's got this awesome new song out called "Going On." I love it! -JZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeemerBoy Posted April 30, 2008 Share Posted April 30, 2008 Who cares if the band you like becomes popular? Ugh, annoys me when people like bands only when they are unknown and then as soon as people start like them, they stop liking them because they apparently "sold out"... even if their music is still good. Although I definitely agree with Swimace's viewpoint, in response to this highlighted statement, I'll give one prime example from my own experience. I used to be a big DMB fan up until they really blew up and got that whole "one of the best live bands around" moniker. Sure, it was true, but they really took advantage of it by way of using their live audiences as guinea pigs of sorts. We had seen at least 6 shows of theirs over the course of their first few albums, but suddenly by the fourth release, I found myself paying $50 for lawn seats only to listen to Dave Matthews spew out mostly new studio-polished crap from an upcoming album. Okay, I'm all for throwing in one or two "new" songs to give a little teaser to your fans, but when 40% of the show consists of you jamming to stuff we're not even familiar with, then you're wasting my money. Face it, fans show up to hear what they spend most of their time listening to.....stuff they know by heart. Although "real" fans obviously still have a certain appreciation for your music in general, we pay to hear our favorites. Sure, the next time you come to town, you can serenade the bandwagoners with several of your latest radio-friendly crap, but don't neglect the fanbase that got you that mega recording deal in the first place. That's really my only gripe about your indie favorites blowing up and going mainstream. Many times their music ends up suffering due to corporate pressure to produce. 311 is another example. Their early stuff rocks. Their newer radio-freindly stuff, eh, not so much. Although in theirr defense, we did see them live back in 2001, and they did not forget what got them there. Ninety percent of the show was old school faves. Overall, personally, I've gotten to a point where I listen to what sounds good to my ears. I couldn't care less who sings it, or who listens to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Posted April 30, 2008 Share Posted April 30, 2008 I'm a fan of Gnarls Barkley. He's got this awesome new song out called "Going On." I love it! -JZ Bahahahaha. You realize Gnarls Barkley is the name of the act, right? It's not "his" name. Gnarls Barkley is Cee-Lo and Danger Mouse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bolliger&Mabillard Posted April 30, 2008 Share Posted April 30, 2008 From Organix up to Rising Down, The Roots rank #1 on my list of bands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the sound Posted May 1, 2008 Share Posted May 1, 2008 I'm a fan of Gnarls Barkley. He's got this awesome new song out called "Going On." I love it! -JZ Bahahahaha. You realize Gnarls Barkley is the name of the act, right? It's not "his" name. Gnarls Barkley is Cee-Lo and Danger Mouse. I thought there was a theory going around that it's all done on theremin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downunder Posted May 1, 2008 Share Posted May 1, 2008 ^I thought Gnarls Barkley was that ex basketball player and now he's doing music. I really like Alter Bridge at the moment, and Joy Division are also being enjoyed at the moment, no wonder he killed himself with a first name like Joy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the sound Posted May 1, 2008 Share Posted May 1, 2008 ^ If that were true, he's doing better than Shaquille O'Neal... Also Related: Shaq Fu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucket Posted May 2, 2008 Share Posted May 2, 2008 Obviously I'm into electronica music (if you read the past couple of pages you'll see!) and at the moment, I'm really into French dance music. Daft Punk of course, but also a band called Justice. Anyone know/like them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeke11793 Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 ^ Oh yes! Justice is good. My favorite song from them is probably DANCE. But My favorite band/group still stands as Daft Punk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 Justice is too similar to Daft Punk for me to even form an opinion on. I've listened to that album off and on for a year or so now, and I can't get into it beyond "Let There Be Light". That track is spectacular, but after that the rest just sort of doesn't work for me. "D.A.N.C.E" was cute for a little while, but it just feels so ehhhhh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucket Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 ^I think the two are quite different. Justice has a more disco vibe to it, and Daft Punk is more club-house. Plus the voices that you hear with Daft Punk songs are all digitally created, giving it a more robotic sound. Justice uses actual singers. But I can see how some people would think that they are very similar in sound if they didn't know that. Is Justice a Christian group by the way? Their logo is a cross? I think that's really interesting if they are... never heard of a religious dance group before! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimace Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 ^On their Myspace it says Christian/Club, so I guess they identify that way. I didn't really pick up on it when listening to their music, but they are really big on putting crosses everywhere so I guess it makes sense. In my opinion they're pretty good, but that's just not really my genre of music so I don't have too strong of an opinion on Daft Punk vs. Justice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 ^I think the two are quite different. Justice has a more disco vibe to it, and Daft Punk is more club-house. Plus the voices that you hear with Daft Punk songs are all digitally created, giving it a more robotic sound. Justice uses actual singers. But I can see how some people would think that they are very similar in sound if they didn't know that. Is Justice a Christian group by the way? Their logo is a cross? I think that's really interesting if they are... never heard of a religious dance group before! There are actual vocals used on some Daft Punk songs (One More Time, Too Long, Face To Face at the very least) so that argument doesn't make too much sense to me. And yeah, they are a Christian influenced group. Just look at some of the song titles: Genesis, Let There Be Light, Waters Of Nazereth. I remember reading an interview with them, the interviewer asked what their favorite book was and one of them said the bible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socalMAN123 Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 Holy crap! Justice is my favorite! I love their music soooo much! Defenitly blends a lot of good beats and heavy, HEAVY bass. And heavy bass makes a good techno song. ---Brent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackHole2005 Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 I've heared of alot of new bands that I like recently. Beirut is fantastic, as are Operator Please, Cajun Dance Party, The Wombats. MGMT, their album is fantastic for just keyboards, wow! Has anyone else heared of Vampire Weekend aswell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimace Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 ^Vampire Weekend has been playing on MTV recently, so I'm sure plenty of people know them. I think they're ok, but their sound just doesn't really do it for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrillgeek Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 My favorite rock band is Bullet for my Valentine or Avenged Sevenfold. My favorite rap group is Army of the Pharoes or Styles of Beyond. I like heavy metal and underground rap alot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socalMAN123 Posted May 7, 2008 Share Posted May 7, 2008 MGMT, their album is fantastic for just keyboards, wow! Has anyone else heared of Vampire Weekend aswell? Holy crap I love you! I love MGMT and Vampire Weekend! Two of my favorites. ---Brent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackHole2005 Posted May 24, 2008 Share Posted May 24, 2008 MGMT, their album is fantastic for just keyboards, wow! Has anyone else heared of Vampire Weekend aswell? Holy crap I love you! I love MGMT and Vampire Weekend! Two of my favorites. ---Brent Really? So far your the only person I know that actually likes those two bands!. I have another band you should check out, I'm not sure wether you have heared of Sigur Ros or not, but these guys are basically the english equivelent to them. They are called iLiKETRAiNS and they are all university graduates. They write really really intense stuff. They have literally just started out as a band and have two albums out and are not very well known in the uk yet let alone the us. I don't care much for the vocals but you have to listen to the music to realise how talented their songs are. iLiKETRAiNS- The Deception Their latest album is called elegies to lessons learnt and I'm not sure wether they have released it in the us yet but have a look and if they have do yourselves a favour and buy it. Please say what you think about this fantastic band. Cheers, BlackHole2005. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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