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I was hoping it was going to be back by the shoot the chute and the roller skater. That is a dead zone in the park

 

That was my though as well, but I'm confident they can build that out. The same could previously be said about the front end of the park back when it was just Greased Lightnin' and Road Runner.

 

They really need to think of how to round out that area. Family attractions and concessions would really help that area out.

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I was hoping it was going to be back by the shoot the chute and the roller skater. That is a dead zone in the park

 

That was my though as well, but I'm confident they can build that out. The same could previously be said about the front end of the park back when it was just Greased Lightnin' and Road Runner.

 

They really need to think of how to round out that area. Family attractions and concessions would really help that area out.

I would think they would use that area. The Redditor probably just made as assumption that the new coaster would go in Chang's spot. Putting it between Roller Skater and Mile High Falls would be a great way to use space that's an awkward size and has some topography that makes it better for a coaster than flats.

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A Redditor claims that the coaster will be located along the rear of the waterpark:

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That was my first thought in terms of location. Looks to be the right general shape, plus I seem to remember them mentioning something about that plot of land when we climbed the waterslide tower at the King Louie event this year.

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The Redditor mentioned that he was at the announcement for it, and they pointed to that general area when discussing location. FWIW...

 

Honestly, that makes sense to me, as a location for the coaster, assuming that the entry and station is down next to Skychaser. It would then wrap between the road there, and the water slides pretty well. Length-wise, I'm not sure it'd fit in the other location, and they may have also been concerned about noise, given the close proximity of businesses over there. Perhaps we'll see a smaller, less-noisy addition over there at some point.

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I don’t think anyone else mentioned this but Kentucky Flyer will have steel supports. Also Ed Hart said it would be like wooden warrior with ‘better elements’

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Kentucky Kingdom is turning into a pretty well rounded park and a underrated destination for thrill seekers. You've got a great RMC, Lightning Run, Thunder Run, Flyer, a whole bunch of flats, and the big waterpark with 2 massive slides.

 

Seems like I'll be making an annual Louisville trip!

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Other than Lightning Run, I hated everything about Kentucky Kingdom when I visited back in 2014. Despite that, I've been wanting to get back out to ride Storm Chaser and see how the park has improved. Kentucky Flyer looks like another nice coaster addition, and I'm definitely gonna try to make it back to KK next season.

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Have any of you seen CoasterStudio's documentary on the park? They stated in the video that the original idea for Storm Chaser was to have two lift hills, but low attendance made them side with one lift hill. I don't recall who said it, but you can watch it here if you'd like! It's pretty neat!

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Kentucky Kingdom has sent out a press release advising that construction on Kentucky Flyer has been halted due to an ongoing dispute with the Kentucky State Fair Board. If this matter goes unresolved, construction of the project could delay to the point that the coaster misses some or all of the 2019 season operation or it could ultimately be cancelled.

 

In preparation for installing a new roller coaster for the 2019 season, Kentucky Kingdom gave notice to its landlord, the Kentucky State Fair Board, that it was exercising its option to use one acre of the 20-acre tract to which the theme park is entitled, per the terms of its lease with the Fair Board, for the purpose of expanding and improving the park. Unfortunately, the Fair Board has yet to agree to transfer that additional acre to the park.

 

Ed Hart, President and CEO of Kentucky Kingdom said, “We don’t understand why the Fair Board is delaying this transfer. Since our lease with the Fair Board gives us the right to option up to 20 acres of additional property to expand Kentucky Kingdom, the Fair Board’s approval of the transfer is merely a formality. Not only has the Fair Board delayed its approval, it has prevented us from taking soil samples, which is an essential first step in installing any roller coaster, even though this work in no way disturbs the property. I have advised Mr. Beck, the President and CEO of the Fair Board, that we have waited almost two months to receive the Fair Board’s approval for use of this small portion of the expansion property. All that is required is routine paperwork in the form of a simple addendum to our lease, signed by the Fair Board and the other state agencies that are also parties to the lease. We have given Mr. Beck all the information he has requested about the new coaster, but still have not received the addendum. We planned on making our first payment on the coaster yesterday, in the amount of $786,000, but cannot do so without the addendum in place. The Fair Board was fully aware of this but apparently does not appear to be concerned about the success of its premier tenant. A continued delay jeopardizes our schedule for getting the new coaster built in time for the 2019 season, which regrettably, may force us to cancel the project. The new coaster, which we have named the Kentucky Flyer, is the centerpiece of Kentucky Kingdom’s 30th anniversary celebration in 2019 and the focus of our marketing campaign for next season. The Kentucky Flyer has already garnered a great deal of national attention, especially among coaster enthusiasts. Cancelling this marquee attraction would be very unfortunate.”

 

The Fair Board’s blockage of this new attraction may well be tied to a separate and long-standing disagreement about parking rights of Kentucky Kingdom’s guests. Ed Hart remarked, “Over the past four years, we have worked very patiently to resolve these parking problems with two Fair Board Presidents, two interim Fair Board Presidents, and the Fair Board’s Chairman, Mark Lynn, who has presided over the Board for the last four years. With the appointment of Mr. Beck as the fifth President of the Fair Board in five years, matters have only gotten worse, especially during the National Street Rod Association show and the State Fair, when so many parking lots are made off limits to Kentucky Kingdom guests. This year, thousands of additional parking spaces were denied to our guests, including all of the parking lots closest to the park’s entrance. To make matters worse, during the State Fair, our guests have to pay $10.00 for admission to the State Fair that they weren’t even going to, simply to gain entry to Kentucky Kingdom’s front gate, where they then have to pay admission to the park. These actions are a clear violation of our lease and certainly aren’t the way to treat a major tenant who pays over $1 million each year in rent - and is entitled to receive adequate access to parking in return for that rent. Making sure our guests have a great experience is the heart and soul of our business. Because we’ve made no progress in resolving the parking dispute, the only way for us to protect the interests of our guests was to resort to legal action.”

 

Three months ago, Kentucky Kingdom filed a lawsuit against the Fair Board for a “Declaration of Rights” with respect to the loss of thousands of parking spaces that, per the terms of the theme park’s lease, are supposed to be available for Kentucky Kingdom’s guests. Instead, the lack of availability of parking during certain major events at the Kentucky Expo Center, particularly the National Street Rod Association show and the Kentucky State Fair, has caused much dissatisfaction among the park’s guests, as evidenced by the hundreds of complaints received during guest surveys conducted by the park.

 

Ed Glasscock, a partner in Kentucky Kingdom, offered this explanation for the Fair Board’s delays: “The Fair Board cannot reasonably defend its violations of the lease with Kentucky Kingdom. Instead, its objective is to pressure the park to drop its lawsuit in Franklin Circuit Court in return for Fair Board’s approval of the park’s expansion. After all the time, energy, and money my partners and I have devoted to Kentucky Kingdom, we are very disappointed with the Fair Board’s obstruction of the park’s progress. After all, the option for expansion property was included in the lease for the express purpose of allowing Kentucky Kingdom to grow. Simply put, the Fair Board is acting in bad faith.”

 

Bruce Lunsford, also a partner in Kentucky Kingdom, added, “We have fulfilled all of our obligations to the Fair Board and the state. In fact, we’ve gone above and beyond those obligations. With the new coaster, our total investment in redeveloping Kentucky Kingdom exceeds $64 million, or $20 million more than required per the terms of our lease. We knew that bringing the park back wouldn’t be a sprint, but a marathon, especially with the competition we face from other theme parks in the region, coupled with the damage to the park’s reputation that was inflicted by its previous operator. We knew it would take money, time, patience, and a great partner and experienced operator like Ed Hart. It’s a shame the Fair Board is reneging on its obligations, jeopardizing the park’s continued success. The Fair Board apparently wants to collect our rent, yet deny our guests the parking lots they should be able to use. The Commonwealth has so much to gain in additional fiscal revenue from direct, indirect, and induced expenditures by visitors who are here because Kentucky Kingdom is here. Unfortunately, this is a textbook example of bureaucratic red tape thwarting business that is good for Kentucky.”

 

Bad news time. The fair board is not transferring a piece of land which was intended for the turn around on the new coaster and the park is threatening to cancel the construction. The park is stating this retaliation due to the lawsuit over parking.

 

In the image below the red shaded area is the space the park has for long term expansion according to the park. The yellow area is the section they need for the new ride. Nice to finally see the space the park has for expansion. Although the left side is directly in line with the runway so the height restrictions would be very limiting.

 

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I just don't get why the fair board is being such a pain about this if that area was known to be for future expansion for the park anyways. I'm no real estate expert but it doesn't seem like a good idea to piss off your top client.

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It seems that every time this park makes strides to become stable and to grow, the Fair Board finds a way to mess it up... How is it not in their best interest to yield the optioned land as per their agreement? This will only come back to bite them later when the ride misses the season due to construction delays (or an outright cancellation of the project).

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I give Ed Hart a lot of credit for turning this park around twice. I really enjoy this park and wish them nothing but the best. Hopefully the fair board gets there stuff in order and the flyer isn't put on hold

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I only posted the article because it shed some additional light on the "real" story. Ed Hart and Kentucky Kingdom are suing the State Board because they did not allow them enough Parking during the Fair as is specified in their lease. It appears that the State Board will not approve the coaster until there is a resolution of the lawsuit. This is how is looks to me anyway.

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