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P. 401: Herschend Enterprises named majority partner and park operator

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I disagree vehemently with anybody saying Storm Chaser is not a "great" coaster! It's in my top 5 of well over 200, and lots of experience riding coasters... It is no doubt a great coaster! Now, it may still be one of the weaker RMC coasters, but that doesn't mean it's not great in its own right.

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First off: Let's all take a deep breath and thank god that Holiday World and the Koch family never got their hands on this park to tear it to bits. Bluegrass Boardwalk, even if it was a commercial success, would have been disastrous for us, the Kentucky Fair Board, and the people of Louisville. "What the market bears" can be empty words spoken by people trying to validate that they had not failed themselves, but that they had been failed by others, and the argument that the dry park had to go for a water park only facility in Louisville because of the market demands is just that sort of thing.

 

Having said that: KK has the best combo of midsize steel coasters in existence now. The question of "Is Storm Chaser a lower end RMC?" - I've been on 4, it's #3 for me, close to Goliath at #4. There are 3919 presently operating permanent steel roller coasters in the world. That doesn't include portable rides, which probably brings it closer to 4500 globally. If you have to be in the top 5-10 of those in the world to be called "great", then I consider the threshold too high. There's way more than 6 great steel coasters in the world, and honestly I'd probably come into conflict by announcing that some which are argued to be (ahemiSpeedahem) aren't even close to that standard. I think Storm Chaser is pretty close to great or outright there. And that's at a park that already had the best "minihyper" built.

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If you were to ride any RMC on it's own merits, it's usually the best coaster in it's respected park, and will wind up in most people's top 20.

 

RMC has yet to create a dud ride, therefore even the weakest one is still one of the best rides in the country. It's fun to compare, but in this case it's a shallow victory. I'd take any of their rides in my hope park, even the weakest.

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If you were to ride any RMC on it's own merits, it's usually the best coaster in it's respected park, and will wind up in most people's top 20.

 

RMC has yet to create a dud ride, therefore even the weakest one is still one of the best rides in the country. It's fun to compare, but in this case it's a shallow victory. I'd take any of their rides in my hope park, even the weakest.

 

Yeah, same here. I always say that if you build enough of any type of ride, people will start to complain about the similarities. That's even true for RMC and their desire to knock things out of the park almost every time. Build 50 of them, and people will begin to reassess how special they are.

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^ That's another good point. Every time you crown an RMC the "best", one comes along the next year to top it anyway.

 

It's become nearly impossible for me to rank coasters anymore because most of them are very good now. And they change depending on the type of ride I'm cherishing at the moment.

 

I like the "tier" system so much better now.

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First off: Let's all take a deep breath and thank god that Holiday World and the Koch family never got their hands on this park to tear it to bits. Bluegrass Boardwalk, even if it was a commercial success, would have been disastrous for us, the Kentucky Fair Board, and the people of Louisville. "What the market bears" can be empty words spoken by people trying to validate that they had not failed themselves, but that they had been failed by others, and the argument that the dry park had to go for a water park only facility in Louisville because of the market demands is just that sort of thing.

 

Having said that: KK has the best combo of midsize steel coasters in existence now. The question of "Is Storm Chaser a lower end RMC?" - I've been on 4, it's #3 for me, close to Goliath at #4. There are 3919 presently operating permanent steel roller coasters in the world. That doesn't include portable rides, which probably brings it closer to 4500 globally. If you have to be in the top 5-10 of those in the world to be called "great", then I consider the threshold too high. There's way more than 6 great steel coasters in the world, and honestly I'd probably come into conflict by announcing that some which are argued to be (ahemiSpeedahem) aren't even close to that standard. I think Storm Chaser is pretty close to great or outright there. And that's at a park that already had the best "minihyper" built.

 

I remain utterly convinced that the Koch family had no interest in actually doing anything with the park, but wanted to delay it's reopening and thus siphoning guests from Holiday World, as long as possible. Their actions alone on that have really made me disinterested in ever visiting their park. They had come right out and said "Steel coasters? Yuck!" once, yet when Kingdom starts getting praise they go out and build Thunderbird.

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First off: Let's all take a deep breath and thank god that Holiday World and the Koch family never got their hands on this park to tear it to bits. Bluegrass Boardwalk, even if it was a commercial success, would have been disastrous for us, the Kentucky Fair Board, and the people of Louisville. "What the market bears" can be empty words spoken by people trying to validate that they had not failed themselves, but that they had been failed by others, and the argument that the dry park had to go for a water park only facility in Louisville because of the market demands is just that sort of thing.

 

Having said that: KK has the best combo of midsize steel coasters in existence now. The question of "Is Storm Chaser a lower end RMC?" - I've been on 4, it's #3 for me, close to Goliath at #4. There are 3919 presently operating permanent steel roller coasters in the world. That doesn't include portable rides, which probably brings it closer to 4500 globally. If you have to be in the top 5-10 of those in the world to be called "great", then I consider the threshold too high. There's way more than 6 great steel coasters in the world, and honestly I'd probably come into conflict by announcing that some which are argued to be (ahemiSpeedahem) aren't even close to that standard. I think Storm Chaser is pretty close to great or outright there. And that's at a park that already had the best "minihyper" built.

 

I remain utterly convinced that the Koch family had no interest in actually doing anything with the park, but wanted to delay it's reopening and thus siphoning guests from Holiday World, as long as possible. Their actions alone on that have really made me disinterested in ever visiting their park. They had come right out and said "Steel coasters? Yuck!" once, yet when Kingdom starts getting praise they go out and build Thunderbird.

 

In fairness, Will Koch was dead when the whole Bluegrass Boardwalk thing happened, and the rest of his family exiled to suburban Birmingham, AL when Thunderbird opened. It seems clear to me though that he was the most important gear in the motor and when he was lost, everything just spun wildly and went nowhere.

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So, I had my first visit here yesterday. I thought the park was really good! The employees are so nice and respectful. Everything the park was doing was great except operations. There were running one train on all rides excluding LR. Speaking of LR, those have to be the most restrictive restrains I have seen on any coaster. I fit fine in every coaster I have been on, yet this I was so far from fitting. It seems that they really only work on skinny people. I saw no one reasonably over 200 pounds riding it. Guess I could use it as weight loss motivation, but I think it's kinda ridiculous. Storm Chaser was absolutely fantastic! It became my new #1 roller coaster. It offers everything you could want in a ride, inversions, airtime, intensity. The ride wasn't so intense that I came off nauseous or with a huge head rush, which is good in my books. The line was about fifteen minutes over all, so I got 11 rides in about 5 hours. Also, it's unbelievably smooth! All the RMCs I have been on, you could feel each and every track section, sometime more than you'd like. I'd describe the ride to perfectly bridge the interests over coaster enthusiasts and the GP. Kentucky Kingdom has a real winner on their hands.

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Lighting Run's a decent coaster. I enjoy it, while also not understanding all of the hype that it gets around here. And yes, it's restraint system is the epitome of "Over Engineered" and as you said, even people with a more average body type have a difficult time with those restraints. Honestly, I can take or leave Lightning Run.

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I remain utterly convinced that the Koch family had no interest in actually doing anything with the park, but wanted to delay it's reopening and thus siphoning guests from Holiday World, as long as possible. Their actions alone on that have really made me disinterested in ever visiting their park. They had come right out and said "Steel coasters? Yuck!" once, yet when Kingdom starts getting praise they go out and build Thunderbird.

 

Let's keep in mind that Bluegrass Boardwalk was an initiative sought out when Dan Koch was in charge. I think it's become clear that he had a different vision for their company than the rest of the Koch family. I'm a lot more comfortable with the park in the hands of Will's kids. Thunderbird (or some version of it) had been in the works for years, even before Six Flags abandoned KK. Something like that isn't a project you can throw together in one year.

 

Do we need to trash one park to enjoy the other? Why can't both parks be good?

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Lighting Run's a decent coaster. I enjoy it, while also not understanding all of the hype that it gets around here. And yes, it's restraint system is the epitome of "Over Engineered" and as you said, even people with a more average body type have a difficult time with those restraints. Honestly, I can take or leave Lightning Run.

 

Decent is how I would put LR as well. After riding Storm Chaser a few times before hand, it is a far better ride.

 

The restraints on LR, being a tall person, absolutely SUCK. The shin bars were extremely uncomfortable and each airtime hill ended up being painful as every time there was air. I had some pretty bad bruising on my shin after only one ride. Those last few bunny hops I couldn't wait for the ride to be over. Didn't care for it... One ride and I was done.

 

Not only the terrible trains, but the layout was just quirky. Kind of like an amped up wild mouse... I dunno... Just was disappointed.

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Lighting Run's a decent coaster. I enjoy it, while also not understanding all of the hype that it gets around here. And yes, it's restraint system is the epitome of "Over Engineered" and as you said, even people with a more average body type have a difficult time with those restraints. Honestly, I can take or leave Lightning Run.

 

Decent is how I would put LR as well. After riding Storm Chaser a few times before hand, it is a far better ride.

 

The restraints on LR, being a tall person, absolutely SUCK. The shin bars were extremely uncomfortable and each airtime hill ended up being painful as every time there was air. I had some pretty bad bruising on my shin after only one ride. Those last few bunny hops I couldn't wait for the ride to be over. Didn't care for it... One ride and I was done.

 

Not only the terrible trains, but the layout was just quirky. Kind of like an amped up wild mouse... I dunno... Just was disappointed.

 

To each there peach I guess. When I was there a couple weeks ago I found LR to be the clear winner in the park. Fast, smooth and amazing transitions. Storm chaser was a let down for me. Between being stapled every ride and praying I can still have kids and the similar but not as good layout as LR I found LR the better of the 2. Both were fun but LR is amazing in my eyes.

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I remain utterly convinced that the Koch family had no interest in actually doing anything with the park, but wanted to delay it's reopening and thus siphoning guests from Holiday World, as long as possible. Their actions alone on that have really made me disinterested in ever visiting their park. They had come right out and said "Steel coasters? Yuck!" once, yet when Kingdom starts getting praise they go out and build Thunderbird.

 

Let's keep in mind that Bluegrass Boardwalk was an initiative sought out when Dan Koch was in charge. I think it's become clear that he had a different vision for their company than the rest of the Koch family. I'm a lot more comfortable with the park in the hands of Will's kids. Thunderbird (or some version of it) had been in the works for years, even before Six Flags abandoned KK. Something like that isn't a project you can throw together in one year.

 

Do we need to trash one park to enjoy the other? Why can't both parks be good?

x1000. Why can't you just enjoy both parks? This sounds something like Bush did 9/11 over here. There's no evidence whatsoever to support the fact that they never had any plans (if there is, let me know). In fact, it would make a ton of sense for them to revive KK. It would be more money for them, having two parks operating.

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^There's no need for whatever social studies lesson or your parents' opinion that awkward Busch comment manifested itself from. If there's anything that can kill good conversation, it's politics.

 

 

I like the "tier" system so much better now.

 

The tier system is good, but I prefer the trim level system. KK'S RMC is clearly a the Base trim level, not a Limited model like Outlaw Run. Goliath is a good ride, but it's more of a Premium trim level than a Limited model..............................

 

Speaking of LR, those have to be the most restrictive restrains I have seen on any coaster. I fit fine in every coaster I have been on, yet this I was so far from fitting. It seems that they really only work on skinny people. I saw no one reasonably over 200 pounds riding it.

Sounds like you don't have to be "skinny" to ride it. The majority of people over 200 lbs are overweight, whether they're considered 'normal' by American standards or not.

 

 

Also, for whoever mentioned the fact that they were glad the Koch's did not purchase this park, I agree. Yes, Holiday World is awesome, but it's also a dry park in that they do not sell alcohol. This is the complete definition of a buzz kill for me.

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^ I think you misunderstood me. I'm saying that as a joke. I don't actually believe Bush did 9/11. It was a comparison between the two as a joke. Not a social studies lesson or whatever. Either way, who cares, let's get back to KK.

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x1000. Why can't you just enjoy both parks? This sounds something like Bush did 9/11 over here. There's no evidence whatsoever to support the fact that they never had any plans (if there is, let me know). In fact, it would make a ton of sense for them to revive KK. It would be more money for them, having two parks operating.

 

Who said anything about not enjoying both parks? I'm just exceedingly happy that I can because this one wasn't gutted. Go back to page 228 of this very thread if you want to see just what kind of park the best case scenario for Kentucky Kingdom had in store with the Kochs in control. Actually some of the comments are uproariously funny given how things turned out.

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x1000. Why can't you just enjoy both parks? This sounds something like Bush did 9/11 over here. There's no evidence whatsoever to support the fact that they never had any plans (if there is, let me know). In fact, it would make a ton of sense for them to revive KK. It would be more money for them, having two parks operating.

 

Who said anything about not enjoying both parks? I'm just exceedingly happy that I can because this one wasn't gutted. Go back to page 228 of this very thread if you want to see just what kind of park the best case scenario for Kentucky Kingdom had in store with the Kochs in control. Actually some of the comments are uproariously funny given how things turned out.

The guy that said he hates holiday world because they were gonna do KK dirty that's what I needed to see. I now get his point. That would've been a pretty awful option compared to what they've got now.

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The guy that said he hates holiday world because they were gonna do KK dirty

 

Oh yeah. That guy. LMAO. Kinda like the guy who used to be ACE's preservation director and refused to go to Cedar Fair parks because Geauga closed even after Kinzel and all his main guys left.

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How bad are Sunday crowds at KK? Visiting this upcoming Sun for the first time.

 

If busy, do they offer a fast pass type offer? Interested to hear any tips for a first time visitor.

 

No they do not have any Fast Pass like system

 

Do the park from back to front

 

 

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How bad are Sunday crowds at KK? Visiting this upcoming Sun for the first time.

 

If busy, do they offer a fast pass type offer? Interested to hear any tips for a first time visitor.

 

I went yesterday, which was a Sunday, and I rode Thunder Run twice, Storm Chaser 4 times and Lightning Run 7 times. The water park was packed with hour long waits for the slides. We even had to wait for the lazy river. The dry park didn't have long lines though. I rode Thunder Run first thing on my way to SC. Then after I rode those rides enough I came to the front and did LR.

 

No wait in the dry park was more than 20 minutes. If you aren't doing the water park than you will have no problem. If you want to do the water park than I suggest doing that first.

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Lighting Run's a decent coaster. I enjoy it, while also not understanding all of the hype that it gets around here. And yes, it's restraint system is the epitome of "Over Engineered" and as you said, even people with a more average body type have a difficult time with those restraints. Honestly, I can take or leave Lightning Run.

 

 

I feel similarly, at least as far at it being over-hyped. I still have it in my Top 30 (#30), which isn't bad at all, and makes it a very good coaster still. But after riding it 7 times in a day recently (including 5 in a row), I was more than ready to stop riding it. Storm Chaser? I rode it 20 times that day, and could have ridden it 20 more! THAT, was the definition of an amazing coaster, at least in my book!

 

And yeah, the LR restraints are ridiculous! I joked around with others that it was like being put in a prison cell getting into those contraptions! Oh, and for what it's worth, the restraints on Storm Chaser only bothered me 2 of 20 times, so I think it's just a matter of them being stapled, or coming down in the wrong place, randomly.

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