Nwstone Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Sorry to double post, but I could not successfully get the link up so I'll just post a photo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undercoverunicorn13 Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Are you going to recreate the Friends intro? Actually I was talking about them also being able to use it to hide the Hellevator site, but now... I found one of MY uses for the fountain. Do you think they would be open to that??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kentuckycc Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Are you going to recreate the Friends intro? Actually I was talking about them also being able to use it to hide the Hellevator site, but now... I found one of MY uses for the fountain. UNDERCOVER UNICORN PRODUCTIONS PRESENTS: FRIENDS, wait for it.... AT KENTUCKY KINGDOM (Am I crossing TV series?) How cool would that be? The fountain and hellevator were there at the same time. The fountain kind of wrapped around it as you come in the park. I think the flutterfly is there now. This RMC hype is reaching critical mass. Lots many rumors from so many directions; I'd be surprised if it doesn't happen at this point. They have one ride designed by ride centerline and one retracked by RMC, so it would make sense that these guys are involved here. It would be so huge for KK. No park near KK is likely to get one anytime soon (or anything like it for that matter), so It will really give them something to advertise. I'd be a little worried if I were Holiday World. KI, will always be in another league, but KK and HW are competing for a lot of the same people now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodie Warrior Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 This RMC hype is reaching critical mass. Lots many rumors from so many directions; I'd be surprised if it doesn't happen at this point. They have one ride designed by ride centerline and one retracked by RMC, so it would make sense that these guys are involved here. It would be so huge for KK. No park near KK is likely to get one anytime soon (or anything like it for that matter), so It will really give them something to advertise. I'd be a little worried if I were Holiday World. KI, will always be in another league, but KK and HW are competing for a lot of the same people now. Why, exactly? HW is still in a different league than KK. An RMC will be an awesome addition to KK, but HW has nothing to worry about. People aren't going to ditch their plans to go to HW to go to KK, if anything they'll just make plans to stop by KK as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudvayneimn Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 I thought Hellivator's pad became a smoke zone during the last days of the Six Flags Era? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undercoverunicorn13 Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 This RMC hype is reaching critical mass. Lots many rumors from so many directions; I'd be surprised if it doesn't happen at this point. They have one ride designed by ride centerline and one retracked by RMC, so it would make sense that these guys are involved here. It would be so huge for KK. No park near KK is likely to get one anytime soon (or anything like it for that matter), so It will really give them something to advertise. I'd be a little worried if I were Holiday World. KI, will always be in another league, but KK and HW are competing for a lot of the same people now. Why, exactly? HW is still in a different league than KK. An RMC will be an awesome addition to KK, but HW has nothing to worry about. People aren't going to ditch their plans to go to HW to go to KK, if anything they'll just make plans to stop by KK as well. I agree, Thunderbird is what now keeps Holiday World from worrying. Plus Holiday World still has a much better atmosphere than KK (Not that theirs is bad) and much better themeing, and in that case they will always be a league ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midgetman82 Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 This RMC hype is reaching critical mass. Lots many rumors from so many directions; I'd be surprised if it doesn't happen at this point. They have one ride designed by ride centerline and one retracked by RMC, so it would make sense that these guys are involved here. It would be so huge for KK. No park near KK is likely to get one anytime soon (or anything like it for that matter), so It will really give them something to advertise. I'd be a little worried if I were Holiday World. KI, will always be in another league, but KK and HW are competing for a lot of the same people now. Why, exactly? HW is still in a different league than KK. An RMC will be an awesome addition to KK, but HW has nothing to worry about. People aren't going to ditch their plans to go to HW to go to KK, if anything they'll just make plans to stop by KK as well. Indeed. Holiday World is a few leagues ahead of Kentucky Kingdom in terms of overall park experience (and size, even when you're not including the available expansion spaces). They'll be comfortably ahead for a while. Are you going to recreate the Friends intro? Actually I was talking about them also being able to use it to hide the Hellevator site, but now... I found one of MY uses for the fountain. UNDERCOVER UNICORN PRODUCTIONS PRESENTS: FRIENDS, wait for it.... AT KENTUCKY KINGDOM (Am I crossing TV series?) How cool would that be? The fountain and hellevator were there at the same time. The fountain kind of wrapped around it as you come in the park. I think the flutterfly is there now. This RMC hype is reaching critical mass. Lots many rumors from so many directions; I'd be surprised if it doesn't happen at this point. They have one ride designed by ride centerline and one retracked by RMC, so it would make sense that these guys are involved here. It would be so huge for KK. No park near KK is likely to get one anytime soon (or anything like it for that matter), so It will really give them something to advertise. I'd be a little worried if I were Holiday World. KI, will always be in another league, but KK and HW are competing for a lot of the same people now. The more I hear about it, the more I'm starting to believe this could very well be them. Knowing they already have relations with them and could get them an I-box coaster could definitely help set the park as a very unique destination worth stopping by compared to the others parks in the region. Hopefully what Ed had told me stays true that we hear an official announcement about it sometime next month. Also, bonus points to the park for finally getting construction work started this early on a major attraction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kentuckycc Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 This RMC hype is reaching critical mass. Lots many rumors from so many directions; I'd be surprised if it doesn't happen at this point. They have one ride designed by ride centerline and one retracked by RMC, so it would make sense that these guys are involved here. It would be so huge for KK. No park near KK is likely to get one anytime soon (or anything like it for that matter), so It will really give them something to advertise. I'd be a little worried if I were Holiday World. KI, will always be in another league, but KK and HW are competing for a lot of the same people now. Why, exactly? HW is still in a different league than KK. An RMC will be an awesome addition to KK, but HW has nothing to worry about. People aren't going to ditch their plans to go to HW to go to KK, if anything they'll just make plans to stop by KK as well. People visiting will just visit both parks yeah, but I would say HW is losing out on a good bit of potential season pass holders with KK back online. I know I personally used to have a season pass to holiday world, but now have one to KK just because it's cheaper and closer to me. I'd say I'm not the only person in lousivlle that's done the same. I'd doubt a huge portion of HWs season passes came from lousivlle; but they had really pushed into the market since KK closed. Now they'll have some stiff competition in a market that just a few years ago seemed like low hanging fruit. Not trying to say that either park is going to be hurting for attendance, but KK has to be well on HWs radar at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoasterCard Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 The issue with KK trying to make a run at HW is location. With KK unable to make really tall coasters, you lose an easier way of attracting customers. People like to impress their friends by saying how tall of a coaster they rode at [insert park here], and KK doesn't offer that possibility like The Voyage does. Also, the fact that KK is surrounded by concrete doesn't help the feeling of being at a park. KK feels like you are at a public pool in the city that has some really cool slides, whereas HW feels like you are in a park. Where KK is located really hurts what they are able to do and the overall "feel" of the park. KK needs to install unique coasters and flats so that it distinguishes them from the surrounding parks. It can be done, but with that strategy it will take a good deal of time to build the quality of the park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hilltopper39 Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 The issue with KK trying to make a run at HW is location. With KK unable to make really tall coasters, you lose an easier way of attracting customers. People like to impress their friends by saying how tall of a coaster they rode at [insert park here], and KK doesn't offer that possibility like The Voyage does. Also, the fact that KK is surrounded by concrete doesn't help the feeling of being at a park. KK feels like you are at a public pool in the city that has some really cool slides, whereas HW feels like you are in a park. Where KK is located really hurts what they are able to do and the overall "feel" of the park. KK needs to install unique coasters and flats so that it distinguishes them from the surrounding parks. It can be done, but with that strategy it will take a good deal of time to build the quality of the park. The only thing wrong with KK's location is that there is a road running though the middle of the park, other than that it's a great location. Right off of a major highway, very accessible from nearby major cities, yeah they have some height restrictions with the airport nearby but Lightning Run doesn't seem to suffer from a lack of height. Seems like if Twisted Twins is getting the RMC treatment and it's half as good as everything else they have done then KK will have one of the better two coaster combos of any park in America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nwstone Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 What exactly is the height limit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lbeeler Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 What exactly is the height limit? depending on the area of the park. I think one area there is a 200 ft max. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undercoverunicorn13 Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 What exactly is the height limit? depending on the area of the park. I think one area there is a 200 ft max. I believe that area is the parking spaces on the right side of the front part. On the other side of the 5D Cinema. Right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoasterCard Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 The issue with KK trying to make a run at HW is location. With KK unable to make really tall coasters, you lose an easier way of attracting customers. People like to impress their friends by saying how tall of a coaster they rode at [insert park here], and KK doesn't offer that possibility like The Voyage does. Also, the fact that KK is surrounded by concrete doesn't help the feeling of being at a park. KK feels like you are at a public pool in the city that has some really cool slides, whereas HW feels like you are in a park. Where KK is located really hurts what they are able to do and the overall "feel" of the park. KK needs to install unique coasters and flats so that it distinguishes them from the surrounding parks. It can be done, but with that strategy it will take a good deal of time to build the quality of the park. The only thing wrong with KK's location is that there is a road running though the middle of the park, other than that it's a great location. Right off of a major highway, very accessible from nearby major cities, yeah they have some height restrictions with the airport nearby but Lightning Run doesn't seem to suffer from a lack of height. Seems like if Twisted Twins is getting the RMC treatment and it's half as good as everything else they have done then KK will have one of the better two coaster combos of any park in America. While Lightning Run doesn't suffer at all from height restrictions and is an incredible ride, most people in Louisville would not know what I was talking about if I said something about Lightning Run. Yet many would know Diamondback or The Voyage just because of their heights. I really wish KK would have stuck with their plan to run TT and Thunder Run together and create the world's longest roller coaster. It would definitely give guests something to brag about after visiting while staying below the height limit. Also, while it is by the Watterson and 65, it makes the park seem much more urban than KI and HW. Whether that's a good thing or bad thing, I'm not entirely sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil009 Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 ^People who are used to being in the city aren't going to mind the fact that it's in the city. I thought certain areas of KK were perfectly charming despite the location. I'm sure they're giving Holiday World plenty to worry about. Once they open T3 and TT they'll have four major coasters same as HW, plus a nicely sized waterpark. Regardless of which we as enthusiasts personally prefer, of course they're going to be closely competing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coasterbill Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Holiday World was doing just fine when Six Flags owned Kentucky Kingdom, I'm sure they'll continue to do just fine now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil009 Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 ^They'll both do fine, healthy competition is a good thing. Capitalism. People visiting will just visit both parks This only applies to enthusiasts, at least as far as non-locals are concerned. Very few families are going to make a day for both. KK has a distinct advantage being so close to the airport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodie Warrior Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 ^They'll both do fine, healthy competition is a good thing. Capitalism. You say this, but earlier you post I'm sure they're giving Holiday World plenty to worry about. Why should HW be worried then, if competition is a good thing? At the end of the day, KK is not going to affect HW in the slightest. HW is still a far more beautiful park and a lot more family friendly IMO. KK seemed very ghetto my last visit. I'm sure they'll work on that though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSkysTheLimit Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Kentucky Kingdom is it's own kinda park, It's too small to compete with Holiday World but I would say Kentucky Kingdom Could compete with Holiday World when it comes to Hurricane Bay and Splashing Sefari. I'm just glad to have three great parks close to visit and Kentucky Kingdom being open just adds to the excitement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeroGravity55 Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 People visiting will just visit both parks yeah, but I would say HW is losing out on a good bit of potential season pass holders with KK back online. HW doesn't count on season pass holders quite as much as other parks do. Holiday World was doing just fine when Six Flags owned Kentucky Kingdom, I'm sure they'll continue to do just fine now. This. Louisville is only a part of where HW draws their customers from. Indianapolis is their biggest market. Given HW's location, they can kind of pick and choose where they want to market their park and attractions. For example, they've pushed their advertising as far south to Pigeon Forge (which should tell you who they really want to compete with) and as far west as St. Louis and maybe further at this point. It's one thing to advertise and market their park in these areas, but HW has all the marketing tools (awards, accolades, great rides, ext.) they need to actually draw potential visitors from these areas. So even if they have lost some potential visitors to KK, they've gained them back from multiple areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cfc Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 I agree that Kentucky Kingdom isn't going to hurt Holiday World at all, but the former could benefit from the latter's popularity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ernierocker Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 For example, they've pushed their advertising as far south to Pigeon Forge (which should tell you who they really want to compete with) Haven't seen a single Holiday World commercial ever in this area. I know there are commercials in the Nashville area, but not one that I have seen here in Knoxville/Pigeon Forge/Sevierville. I can tell you that growing up in Middle Tennessee, more locals knew about Kentucky Kingdom than Holiday World. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeroGravity55 Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 ^ Yeah I'm not exactly sure what they're doing in that area as far as advertising right now. I just know some enthusiast spotted a HW car there last year and posted a picture of it on the Holiwood Nights FB page. Paula said they were there on some sort of marketing trip. So I'm assuming the park is trying to get a foothold in the area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil009 Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 ^They'll both do fine, healthy competition is a good thing. Capitalism. You say this, but earlier you post I'm sure they're giving Holiday World plenty to worry about. Why should HW be worried then, if competition is a good thing? At the end of the day, KK is not going to affect HW in the slightest. HW is still a far more beautiful park and a lot more family friendly IMO. KK seemed very ghetto my last visit. I'm sure they'll work on that though. It's a good thing from our perspective. Increased competition would be a big motivating factor behind decisions, like, say, getting RMC to come in and put inversions on your old out-of-service woodie. Ultimately it's the costumer who wins. I don't know how you can say HW won't be affected by a park of similar size 1 hour away. Of course they will. Not negatively necessarily, I'm not saying HW is going to have any real attendance problems, but you can bet KK has factored into any future plans they've made. The park doesn't look "ghetto" this year, at all. Yeah the outer fence is lined with razor wire, but once inside, I saw no trash, no graffiti, no rust. Just a perfectly normal, nice midsize park. Not saying this applies to you at all, but there's some inner-city bias at work when it comes to people's opinions regarding KK. For some people out there, where a park falls on the scale from "ghetto" to "family friendly" primarily has to do with how many white people they see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodie Warrior Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 Not saying this applies to you at all, but there's some inner-city bias at work when it comes to people's opinions regarding KK. For some people out there, where a park falls on the scale from "ghetto" to "family friendly" primarily has to do with how many white people they see. My "ghetto" comment wasn't directed at any specific race (there were far more examples of "white trash" at KK then at any other park I've been to), but IMO the park is not a nice-looking park at all, and the crowds themselves are very obnoxious. Smoking in queues, having obscene conversations, I could go on. There was a restaurant extremely visible coming into the water park with a torn facade, the very awkward layout of the entire place, the landscaping under LR (at least that one's been fixed by now). That's something that should've been a top priority. I've said a lot of bad things about the place, but I'll try and not do that anymore because I'm starting feel like a broken record. I just don't get how people can honestly say that KK is anywhere near the level of HW at this point. But to each their own, I guess. I'm glad the people of Kentucky have a park to go to once again, even if it wasn't my cup of tea. Hopefully when I go back I have a more positive experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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