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P. 401: Herschend Enterprises named majority partner and park operator

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Stinks to hear Enterprise isn't getting to operate anytime soon. They must be having problems getting it up and running due to how old it is. Also, I'm really glad to see T2 (Terror to the Second Power) will be getting an upgrade on its name: T3 (Cubed Terror! )

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It's neither cheap, easy, or practical to dig a 100 foot deep tunnel. Apparently Roller Coaster Tycoon is catching on again.

Herschend was and is a different brand than Six Flags.   There is one certainty. Kentucky Kingdom will not be receiving a launched wooden roller coaster any time soon.

Yeah, I think the only 'concern' is because people see this park going more the way of Celebration City or Wild Adventures than becoming the next SDC or Dollywood.  I think it will stay pretty much th

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Is there a chance Twisted Twins will operate again?

It is confirmed to be reopening in 2016. Newspaper article I read states that it will be getting a $10 million refurbishment and that both sides will possibly be combined into a single ride.

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Is there a chance Twisted Twins will operate again?

It is confirmed to be reopening in 2016. Newspaper article I read states that it will be getting a $10 million refurbishment and that both sides will possibly be combined into a single ride.

 

Definitely sounds like RMC to me, $10 mil seems to be their magic number

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Stopped by the park today after Holiwood Nights. The line for Lightning Run spilled into the midway, and the operations were abysmal at best for that ride. Even still it only took about 45 minutes total to get on. We rode in the last row. WOW! This ride has suck it's way into my top ten steel coasters. I cannot believe how incredibly smooth it rode while delivering constant ejector air time. Now I know there's been a lot of chatter on the restraints. While they were fairly restrictive, I didn't find them to be too awful. It's just when you have that kind of ejector airtime, it does kind of abuse your thighs.

 

The only other ride we rode today was Thunder Run. It was pretty decent, not too rough and has some pretty good air time. I have been on it before, in 2006, and today's ride was definitely better, but it still isn've a very memorable ride. I do get really annoyed with single train operations, and Thunder does not have a second train.

 

The park overall looked pretty good, but they still have a lot of work ahead of them. I'm just very happy to see the place open and full of people. I mean it was seriously packed. Good for them! That should help the checkbook!

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Stopped by the park today after Holiwood Nights. The line for Lightning Run spilled into the midway, and the operations were abysmal at best for that ride. Even still it only took about 45 minutes total to get on. We rode in the last row. WOW! This ride has suck it's way into my top ten steel coasters. I cannot believe how incredibly smooth it rode while delivering constant ejector air time. Now I know there's been a lot of chatter on the restraints. While they were fairly restrictive, I didn't find them to be too awful. It's just when you have that kind of ejector airtime, it does kind of abuse your thighs.

 

The only other ride we rode today was Thunder Run. It was pretty decent, not too rough and has some pretty good air time. I have been on it before, in 2006, and today's ride was definitely better, but it still isn've a very memorable ride. I do get really annoyed with single train operations, and Thunder does not have a second train.

 

The park overall looked pretty good, but they still have a lot of work ahead of them. I'm just very happy to see the place open and full of people. I mean it was seriously packed. Good for them! That should help the checkbook!

 

We went for the first time as well and I had the same concerns about the dispatches but that should get better as ride ops get more experience. We spent most of the day with the kiddos in the water park and to me it seemed like they would wait for the previous rider or riders to clear the splash down pool before sending the next rider. I was scratching my head about the drop tower, it seems odd that they put the que on the backside and you have to go down a dead end path that doesn't look like anything would be back there since the entrance is farther down from the drop tower almost to Lightning Run. All in all I had fun and was impressed with the crowd and how well the park looks. I'm really excited and hopeful for the future of KK. I was very impressed with RMC's work on Thunder Run, I was able to keeep my hands up all around the circuit which was unheard of with the state that TR was in when Six Flags closed the park. I didn't get any rides on Lightning unfortunately since the kids were with us and I didn't want to stick the kids with my wife for 45 mins, sigh, there's always next time I guess... good thing we have season passes.. lol

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I also visited the park today, and will have a full PTR soon. Here are a few notes I have, though:

 

-The park doesn't have too much to do in the dry side, which is understandable, since it just reopened. However, the park looks great. The attractions have very vibrant colors. The barbed wire around the park is strange though, especially in the queues for the 5D Cinema and FearFall.

-Lightning Run is fantastic. We rode it twice, both times in the back. It is short, but is full of airtime and twists. It is also my 50th coaster!

-Thunder Run is smooth, but is also very forgettable. It's not a bad ride, there just isn't really anything special about it. :/

-The queues need a lot more shade. Hopefully they'll put shade structures up, or maybe the tree they planted will eventually provide lots of shade.

-The park's layout can be somewhat confusing. A few more signs would help.

-The crowd at Kentucky Kingdom was one of the most obnoxious I've seen. People were smoking in almost every line I was in and dropped their buds all over the place. They were also very loud about things they shouldn't be talking about. A girl in line for the Cinema began discussing how her mother was a pro****ute and how CPS was trying to take her away from her. Who talks about things like that so loudly?!?!

 

Overall, the park still needs work, but for a park that's been SBNO for 5 years, it looks pretty good. I can't wait to see how the future of the park unfolds.

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Also at the park today. I can attest to the abysmal operations for Lightning Run and Deep Water Dive (even though they were both the highlights of my visit ) Loved Lightning Run despite only getting one ride in the back row. My first drop capsule on the tallest body slide in America was pretty terrifying, but fun nonetheless! Line jumping was AWFUL. Security needs to beefed up around the park, because I rarely saw any of them around.

 

Mini-rant about Deep Water Dive: 2 minute dispatches for one person at a time makes a line that appears really short actually turn out to be very, very long. I did love the enthusiastic girl that loved her job working while I was riding (for those there, it was around 12:30). Something can be done to speed up this line.

 

I also have a mini rant on Lightning Run: Why are these ops so uninterested in this job? Literally all three of them had sour faces and moved at a snail pace. Plus, they stacked the ride with two trains, and the dispatches were probably 3-4 minutes each. Like I said, this is just a matter of more training for more efficency.

 

I understand people are getting used to their job, but the fact that they already hate their job after 2 weeks really irritates me. The park has a great start, but it's a marathon, not a sprint. Still many improvements in the park to be made (two that particularly stick out are the queues for arguably the biggest attractions in the dry side, LR and Fearfall). I, too, am anticipating on returning in 2015 with the reopening of T2 and Blizzard River as well as many other things.

 

One thing that I found hilarious is that Holiday World stuck a billboard literally right next to Kentucky Kingdom, being located Ron the interstate across from the airport. Just made me chuckle.

 

As I said above, some of these improvements take time, and Kentucky Kingdom only had a year (probably less than that actually) to get this abandoned park running in great condition. For what it is, they did a very good job. You just need to know that this is not a finished product.

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^I believe they do have an entrance sign with running water.

 

I am talking about the sign in front of the park. If there is not going to be an entrance sign, which IMO all parks should have, they should take down the sign.

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This is the sign from the six flags days.

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This is the same empty sign frame now. If the park is going to keep the frame they should put a sign on it.

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I'm sure there's still a lot of stuff for the park to take care of. We need to give them time. They've had a lot to do in a short amount of time. I'm sure there's still going to be a lot of things taking shape throughout the season.

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I also checked out the park today and will also echo that lightning run is awesome but the crews were extremely slow and they really could use some switchbacks in there so the crowds don't spill out onto the midways. Also need to say that the crowd that was there today was some of the most rude, obnoxious, line jumping people I have ever run into at any place ever. There, I feel a little better now.

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My other complaint about yesterday was my youngest son couldn't go on Himalaya because the height minimum is 60". I've never seen a Himalaya with that tall of of a Height Requirement. I love those rides but no music, no lights, no backwards, and wasn't all that fast so made for a boring Himalaya ride. I'm hoping they get that fixed soon.

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I guess the training period is over on Lightning Run. Until today you always had to wait until the op pushed down your lapbar. Now you are able to pull them down yourself. It does help with the one train operations today and the park is not really busy. So about one ride every 10 minutes.

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"^I believe they do have an entrance sign with running water."

 

I am talking about the sign in front of the park. If there is not going to be an entrance sign, which IMO all parks should have, they should take down the sign.

 

I didn't know you were talking about that sign. I agree they should install a sign there - how much could it cost?

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I do feel like a lot of the park is a work in progress and the main goal of the opening was just that. To actually open the park and make it presentable to the public. Hopefully we'll see it continuously shaping up over the summer.

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Sounds like there is going to be quite a number of growing pains. Sounds like it's quite a work in process. Looks like they need to focus on more shade. More switchbacks in the queue for LR and line jumping enforcement.

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The bad operations should be completely expected . . . the park hasn't been open in 5 years! The rides look good, so once KK gets into the "groove", it should be a great park. Especially in the coming years - A Twisted Twins RMC Iron Horse treatment would work wonders for Kentucky Kingdom. Also, the raft ride and T^3 should be fun - that is if it isn't to jerky! Hopefully they could install the "more comfortable" trains in 2015.

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I would imagine the long dispatches on the new waterslide may be due to the water level recovery in the Run Out/Shut Down Lane. Seems maybe there should be additional water flow to fill it to a safe level in a shorter amount of time.

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Sounds like there is going to be quite a number of growing pains. Sounds like it's quite a work in process. Looks like they need to focus on more shade. More switchbacks in the queue for LR and line jumping enforcement.

And possibly ordering a second train for Thunder Run. Public schools get out for the summer this Friday, so starting then through August, there will probably probably be a higher level of attendance to the park and any way to be more efficient would help; especially when the high heat and humidity kicks in.

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It's not as simple as calling up PTC and ordering a new train. The ride was not engineered to run two trains and would need to be modified to do so in many areas, something that financially almost doesn't make sense.

 

A new PTC train you are looking at around 300k if not more, then add on a new PLC, track work, new mechanicals, transfer table, maintenance bay, and the list goes on. Easily in the $1 million range.

 

It would be more feasible to use that money to add additional attractions that would in turn scatter people throughout the park and reduce wait times. This will come as they open T2 among other improvements next year and then the back portion of the park in 2016.

 

 

The water park was the main focus this year as well as to get the rides park open. For adding 5 new flats, a roller coaster, rehabbing all of the existing rides, landscaping, refurbishment of all the buildings, and getting all new systems in place (six flags left the place in shambles) I'd say they done damn good. Its easy to nitpick about a sign not being in place, but that's all it is, nitpicking. After visiting with park officials this weekend, trust me, they know where they need to improve, they know things are not yet in place, and they know they are not done. You will continue to see improvements throughout the season and especially next season.

 

The future is bright for Kentucky Kingdom.

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Chance Rides has some very neat ride footage of Lightning Run, check it out!

 

 

I'm really impressed whit what Ed Hart and his team has accomplished in such a short time. This park is on my bucket list for sure! Can't wait for more updates and new/improved rides for the upcoming years !

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