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Well, it sounds like chance has now forever changed the face of flat rides, with the zipper, and now, over 45 years later, they've forever changed the face of coasters. Hopefully like the zipper, LR style rides will catch on & parks everywhere will buy one.

 

I don't mean to pick your post apart, but I don't think they have "changed the face of coasters." What they have done is perfected the basics without using any gimmicks. They put together a product that delivered more thrills than something that costs as much as gatekeeper. The ride is really genius in its simplicity.

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Well, it sounds like chance has now forever changed the face of flat rides, with the zipper, and now, over 45 years later, they've forever changed the face of coasters. Hopefully like the zipper, LR style rides will catch on & parks everywhere will buy one.

 

I don't mean to pick your post apart, but I don't think they have "changed the face of coasters." What they have done is perfected the basics without using any gimmicks. They put together a product that delivered more thrills than something that costs as much as gatekeeper. The ride is really genius in its simplicity.

Ya, I agree... Probably should've worded things better... However, I do believe the point I made about the zipper holds true. It's cheaper, yet provides awesome thrills.

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What you guys think safe or not safe?

 

100% safe. The forces on those two columns have been rechecked and are well within the safety limitations. Some coasters have some swaying to them but it does not mean in any way it is unsafe. Safety is taken very seriously and the ride would not have opened if there was any question of its safety.

 

-Brian

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What you guys think safe or not safe?

 

Never seen that much noticeable swaying on a steel coaster (although Wicked Twister sways a bit.) Wood is another story. Check this out-

 

 

Of course, a coaster or other tall structure needs to sway so it doesn't snap like a twig.

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I was ready to comment something along the lines of how it's not abnormal for coasters to sway & that I'd even observed the whole MCBR tower for SheiKra shaking this morning...

 

 

...and then I watched the video. There's no way that's normal. I'd be willing to bet that they do something to improve the rigidity of those supports in the not terribly distant future.

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As someone who works in a field that deals with structural engineering on a daily basis, it's fine. Every ride sways it's just that unless you have the right perspective it's often difficult to notice. Standing under Griffon you can see the whole drop track and supports fluctuate when a train descends. On Top Thrill Dragster the pull up and pull out both sway like crazy when a train passes. On The Bat the entire brake run sways when a train stops. On Diamondback the first drop fluctuates as a train drops. Obviously all of the impulse coasters sway quite visibly. It's normal for this type of structure. Literally every structure ever made moves and fluctuates when a large live load is placed on it. Parking garages, radio towers, bridges (especially suspension bridges), skyscrapers, your typical suburban house, everything.

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As someone who works in a field that deals with structural engineering on a daily basis, it's fine. Every ride sways it's just that unless you have the right perspective it's often difficult to notice. Standing under Griffon you can see the whole drop track and supports fluctuate when a train descends. On Top Thrill Dragster the pull up and pull out both sway like crazy when a train passes. On The Bat the entire brake run sways when a train stops. On Diamondback the first drop fluctuates as a train drops. Obviously all of the impulse coasters sway quite visibly. It's normal for this type of structure. Literally every structure ever made moves and fluctuates when a large live load is placed on it. Parking garages, radio towers, bridges (especially suspension bridges), skyscrapers, your typical suburban house, everything.

I know its safe but people who doesn't understand coasters have final destination in mind lol and is letting KK have it on their Facebook page smh.

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^It happens everywhere unfortunately. I remember watching a news report from NYC that was about how much the Williamsburg Bridge fluctuating when a subway train went over it and how "that can't be safe." Completely ridiculous. They had a camera angle that made the fluctuation most obvious and the news anchors were talking about how uncomfortable it made them, etc. etc. The only problem was that subway trains are insanely heavy and therefore serve as the largest single live load that can be placed on the bridge at any point in time and therefore creates the biggest fluctuation in order to absorb it. It's simple for anyone who knows what they're looking at but people love to freak out and make uninformed claims as if they were fact.

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Lightning Run is completely safe. The shaking I'm sure is designed to "deaden" the coaster's force into the track. If it didn't shake, the supports would be taking a hard slam every time and could cause damage under that force. I know that wooden roller coasters use the rule "if it doesn't shake it will break", and they use the "play" in the track to cause less stress on the supports.

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I agree rides sway, but count me on the side of that hill is swaying too much. Usually coaster structure will sway a bit and then stop, but this section continues to rock back and forth for about ten seconds (maybe more) and you can clearly see it in the video. My guess is this hill will need better support and/or bracing.

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I agree rides sway, but count me on the side of that hill is swaying too much. Usually coaster structure will sway a bit and then stop, but this section continues to rock back and forth for about ten seconds (maybe more) and you can clearly see it in the video. My guess is this hill will need better support and/or bracing.

 

Does your guess come with an engineering degree?

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Seriously people, structures sway continuously whether you're noticing it or not. Some skyscrapers built before dampening techniques improved continuously sway several feet back and forth all day everyday. Toilets at the top of the Empire State Building slosh around from it. Steel bends a lot more than you'd expect it to and that's part of how it absorbs and disperses forces. There's a strong lateral load at this point in the ride which is placed in the short direction of the supports which are just vertically oriented cantilevers and that type of force on that type of structure results in a lot of deflection. It's fine.

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From KK Facebook on LR.

Regarding the questions we've received about the movement of one of the columns supporting Lightning Run, we've contacted Chance Rides, the manufacturer of the coaster, and spoke with the president of the company, Mr. Mike Chance, who had this to say:

 

"This structure has to move, that's the way it was designed. This kind of movement (or deflection) is perfectly normal for this type of roller coaster. The coaster has been thoroughly analyzed and tested and is 100% safe to ride."

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I can't believe the amount of flak this park is getting on Facebook. Opening day of the first season after being closed for how many years, and people are tearing them to shreds over the operations, I mean how unkind can you get. And now this stupid thing over the track swaying. I would kill to have a ride like Lightning Run near me, these people should be grateful for what they have.

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I was at the park yesterday and I would agree that operations on some of the rides were not quite there just yet. I would say that the operations for all three of the coasters were excellent. Lightning Run requires a lot of teamwork to run effectively, but the team did an excellent job with it. One thing I would criticize is the lack of queuing for Lightning Run. In most instances the line was outside of the organized queue.

 

Lightning Run is amazing, theres really no other way to describe it. Ive ridden a fair share of airtime heavy coasters, but this took the cake for me. The airtime on the last two bunny hills is beyond belief. After riding this, I hope more parks get these, because they are great additions.

 

Thunder Run ran incredibly smooth and fast. The ride didn't let up for its entire cycle. Sadly, the ride only had one train operating so I was only able to get a single ride.

 

I do believe this park has a ton of potential and after talking to the staff, I believe that they will reach that potential in time.

-Kafka-

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