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Makes me wonder how much longer Knotts Montezooma's Revenge will be around.

Well, considering it just came up from a pretty decent refurb with the station getting new airgates, the train getting new seats, paint, and a re-branded logo, it doesn't appear to be going anywhere anytime soon.

 

Does anybody know if Montezooma's Revenge is open? When I went earlier in the summer, it was closed. The train was parked just in front of the station, and there was a bucket behind the blocked entrance. Probably a bit of renovation, is this what Robb is talking about?

 

Well, I guess technically, they could have made it an LIM launch. I believe one Schwarzkopf shuttle loop has been redone that way. Still, sad to see another one go, but maybe Gerstlauer will introduce their own version with an LIM/LSM launch one day if someone asks. And I mean not as a special project, but as a catalog item.

 

I've been thinking that too. It'd be great to see the shuttle loop concept be brought back to life with modern technology. How would a park market it though?

 

As for marketing, there are some world records. Some tougher to market, some not.

 

If somebody could launch the train to top speed safely and quickly to the extent where it beats Dodonpa, there could be a fastest acceleration. However, the launch couldn't come on too fast (it would feel like a "giant semi truck ramming you in the behind "), so by the time the train gets to 50 or 60 or whatever mph, it couldn't have been at peak launch acceleration for that long. Dodonpa goes practically twice as fast, therefore the same buildup of force gets you to a longer stretch of peak force. Of course, Dodonpa seems perfectly fine with going at high speeds. However, I've never been on it (or any other coaster outside of North America), but videos seem to show a rapid buildup to maximum launch acceleration.

 

Maybe g-force, but that Tower of Terror coaster (in the same park as the weight-drop Shuttle Loop already mentioned) has 6.3 Gs, and that is borderline unsafe in my personal opinion.

 

Finally, if you had a long enough land plot, the easiest of these (well, S&S could probably pull off the acceleration, but if I recall, they haven't built any compressed air inverting or shuttle coasters) would be to beat YOLOCoaster for the largest loop.

 

Or maybe just tell the GP that size isn't everything and that you can be perfectly satisfied with a Mega-Lite or Maverick sized coaster. (The CP GP seem to love Maverick, but it still has the easily marketable 95-degree drop and double launch)

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Makes me wonder how much longer Knotts Montezooma's Revenge will be around.

Well, considering it just came up from a pretty decent refurb with the station getting new airgates, the train getting new seats, paint, and a re-branded logo, it doesn't appear to be going anywhere anytime soon.

 

Does anybody know if Montezooma's Revenge is open? When I went earlier in the summer, it was closed. The train was parked just in front of the station, and there was a bucket behind the blocked entrance. Probably a bit of renovation, is this what Robb is talking about?

 

Montezooma re-opened from its renovation. You can see photos of it here:

 

http://www.themeparkreview.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=506&start=6817

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Well, I guess technically, they could have made it an LIM launch. I believe one Schwarzkopf shuttle loop has been redone that way. Still, sad to see another one go, but maybe Gerstlauer will introduce their own version with an LIM/LSM launch one day if someone asks. And I mean not as a special project, but as a catalog item.

 

I've been thinking that too. It'd be great to see the shuttle loop concept be brought back to life with modern technology. How would a park market it though?

To go off GigaG, you could also market it by taking a page out of PAX's book and doing something funny with the spikes (EG, making the front and back spikes curve to 95/100 degrees, or even just straight-out vertical like the GIB's are from vekoma

 

Something as little as that with the standard lap bar (Or a slightly modified one) could make the simple shuttle loop even more fun & thrilling, or do things like the mindbender and have half the train forwards and the other half backwards.

 

Plenty of options and possibilities, but a park has to actually want one first.

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I think for marketing purposes, the coaster could be extended further. It'd probably be something like a Mr. Freeze coaster, which wouldn't be a bad idea with a newer layout.

 

Marcus, thanks for the photos.

No problem! Really glad to see how much attention it's getting!

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I hope that whatever KK does get to replace the coaster is at least in the same height restriction. It might not be what most "coaster enthusiasts" want to hear, but think about it, when the park was owned by Six Flags, they had a good balance of coasters for different ages...

 

36" -

Roller Skater

 

42" -

Mouse

Shuttle Loop

 

48" -

Thunder Run

Twister Sisters

 

54" -

Chang

T2

 

Now with the shuttle loop gone and what SF has taken with them they are left with:

36" -

Roller Skater

 

42" -

Nothing

 

48" -

Thunder Run

Twister Sisters (opening later)

 

54" -

T2

 

Don't underestimate how important that 36" - 48" age bracket is, and how frustrating it is to be a parent with a kid that's like 44" and they are not tall enough to ride the 48" rides, and they think the 36" rides are for babies.

 

Personally, I'd rather see them get a nice family ride, like a mouse or a mine train, than another "thrill ride" that will isolate families.

 

--Robb

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T2 was 52" iirc, and I totally agree agree with everything else you said. It'd make for a really bad day when almost every ride you take your kid to turns them away and leaves them with only small flats meant for the much smaller ones. I saw it a lot at Cedar Point.

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I do agree that the park needs to get another family ride, but I think they should get a thrill rollercoaster first. They already have lots of family flat rides like the flying shoes, blizzard river, Thrill Park Theater, the pirate ship, and a few others. Also, if kk does not get a thrill rollercoaster in 2014, thunder run will be the only thrill coaster when the park opens. I think the park should get a launched looping coaster like full throttle. Then in 2015 they should get a family coaster in the leftover space from chang that is not being used for the waterpark. But whatever they get, I will be happy to have the park back!

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Bullshit the ride was corroded through the supports looked fine track spine was normal looking the rails were seriously muffed up with rust the launch mechanism i cant comment on but i don't support this decision one bit not that it matters....Now its up to cliffs amusement park to finally do something with Astroworlds shuttle loop. Rest in Peace Greased Tidal Viper Lightning Wave.

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I understand that people had a very high sentimental value for gl. I would have loved to see it be saved as much as anyone else, but all rollercoasters must close eventually. If Ed Hart had saved greezed lightnin, then he would have spent a ton of money that may have sunk the park into a money pit. If Ed Hart didn't reopen the park, then the coaster would have just rusted away until it collapsed. So in reality it was either have the park back without greezed lightnin or have nothing back at all. This is why I am still supportive of him. If anyone was to save the coaster it would have been six flags, but they chose to take the mouse instead, so it was clear that they recognized that the ride had come to the end of its life also. It was 35 years old, there were very few parts, and it is just not something that a park that is independently owned and on a budget can afford to get involved in. I know that it is very sad to see for great america fans, but we all new that it would happen eventually. Even if ed had fixed it up, it would have only lasted a few years as parts were getting extremely scarce. At least this will help montezooma's revenge live longer because, according to the kk facebook page, another park inquired about the train. I am thinking Knotts because they seem to really want to keep montezooma arouna as long as possible. I only rode the coaster once, and all I can remember is the hang time from the second time the train goes through the loop.

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^The point of parts and trains can't be the major reason - there are still companies around which are happy to deliver like Gerstlauer (SooperDooperLooper, Turbine) or SAT-Rides (Teststrecke). On Turbine Gerstlauer replaced the whole flywheel launch assembly with a modern magnetic one.

 

I can of course see that as a park who needs to make the most of its small budget didn't have the capacity for it. Parks with better fiscal grounding are optioning to keep their classic but I guess no park would buy a coaster like this.

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^^You could argue that the ride could have remained in its current location until the park had established itself enough to invest money back into the ride much in the same way Walibi Belgium took so long to reopen Turbine. That being said, it appears that the only part of the ride that was retained to bring Turbine back online was the track itself with the launch system, brakes and trains being brand new--with the park maintaining and carefully keeping up the ride during its closure.

 

Comparing the two rides, Turbine had the benefit of attention on its side, while Greezed Lightnin' had been neglected and left to rust for four years. At the end of the day, the cost of practically rebuilding this ride from the ground up didn't seem to win out over tearing it down and starting from scratch. And as much as I'm bummed to see another one of these neat looking shuttle loops lost (I've still not been on one), it seems to be the wisest move the park could have made given the situation.

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Bullshit the ride was corroded through the supports looked fine track spine was normal looking the rails were seriously muffed up with rust the launch mechanism i cant comment on but i don't support this decision one bit not that it matters....Now its up to cliffs amusement park to finally do something with Astroworlds shuttle loop. Rest in Peace Greased Tidal Viper Lightning Wave.

The only BS involved here is in reference to that awful grammar.

 

C'mon TPR, we can do better than this.

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So sad. I got to ride it at SFKK and SFOG. I understand how it goes though. The first ones came out in 1977, that's 36 years ago and the fact that any of them are still operating just shows how smart Mr. Schwarzopf really was. The one from my home park Carowinds is still running down in South Africa.

 

This now leaves Monetzooma the only Schwarzkopf shuttle loop left in America.

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^Hopefully not for long, as long as Cliff's lives up to their promise to resurrect Greezed Lighnin' from Astroworld!

 

Hmmm... we'll see. That ride hasn't operated since 2005, and Greezed Lightnin' looked terrible so I can't imagine this coaster being any better. I hope they can bring it back, but we'll see.

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You know, a Boomerang is about $7 million, they have the exact amount of room as before since the Skycoaster and Roadrunner are gone.

 

Not saying it will happen, but it's entirely possible.

 

EDIT:

 

Here is another news article posted yesterday:

 

http://www.wave3.com/story/22846458/shuttered-theme-park-now-showing-signs-of-life

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