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I'm literally appalled by the fact you automatically jump to the "party" atmosphere because it was a LGBT event. I can say that I'm a proud member of that community and as a resident dj in boystown I can say just because you're a nightlife person doesn't mean you're like to party. It's funny how people think everyone that's gay automatically does drugs. I work at one of the most popular clubs in the country and you don't see that there. I really don't know what else to say.

 

Very sad

 

 

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As opposed to being figuratively appalled?

 

I never said it was a party atmosphere strictly because it was a LGBT event. No one said that. Don't put words in peoples mouths because you want to get offended by something that's not even there. I would have thought the same thing if it was a grad night, private party, etc.

 

I am also a DJ and have worked in nightlife for over two decades. I know plenty of gay people and know plenty of them that don't do drugs or even drink for that matter. Literally no one said anything about anyone that is gay automatically doing drugs. This is about it being a party/nightlife event. When parks have events like this with DJs, dancefloors, additional bars set up on the midway, etc (whether or not its an LGBT event) there is absolutely a greater chance that guests may "indulge". I know that simply from personal first-hand experience.

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I am a same-sex loving individual and can say I "indulged" a couple times in my younger days (like 2002/03) on the unofficial gay day at Carowinds around pride time. Of course I would never do that now. I was in a different space back then and hadn't touched anything like that since. There were a few others that indulged as well that we knew, but the vast majority attending were clean & sober. Looking back it was pretty dumb, no matter how much fun I thought I had those days. So no not all in a party atmosphere are doing such things, but indeed there are likely some that are.

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I'm literally appalled by the fact you automatically jump to the "party" atmosphere because it was a LGBT event. I can say that I'm a proud member of that community and as a resident dj in boystown I can say just because you're a nightlife person doesn't mean you're like to party. It's funny how people think everyone that's gay automatically does drugs. I work at one of the most popular clubs in the country and you don't see that there. I really don't know what else to say.

 

Very sad

The only thing you could possibly be appalled by is the figment of your imagination you're ranting against. This site is as gay friendly as you can get without being a gay website. I've seen plenty of gay people here and not one person has said anything negative towards them.

 

This person's death is either health related or drug related obviously.. The ride itself didn't kill him. Not shocking or appalling that people would consider the possibility that he used drugs. Take an upper and your heart rate is off the charts. Get on a coaster and you're playing with fire. This would be true regardless of who you have sex with.

 

It's funny how people think everyone that's gay automatically does drugs.

 

Literally not one single person has ever said that. Its all in your head.

 

Considering Robb rants against the idiots of the world I thought the faux outrage nonsense wouldn't find its way here.

 

I guess its true.....you really cant escape the idiocracy.

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...This site is as gay friendly as you can get without being a gay website. I've seen plenty of gay people here and not one person has said anything negative towards them...

 

Very accurate statement. This site is 100% inclusive, and that's one of the reasons I enjoy it so much!

 

It's funny how people think everyone that's gay automatically does drugs.

 

Literally not one single person has ever said that. Its all in your head.

 

Considering Robb rants against the idiots of the world I thought the faux outrage nonsense wouldn't find its way here.

 

I guess its true.....you really cant escape the idiocracy.

 

 

Couldn't have said it better myself.

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I'm literally appalled by the fact you automatically jump to the "party" atmosphere because it was a LGBT event. I can say that I'm a proud member of that community and as a resident dj in boystown I can say just because you're a nightlife person doesn't mean you're like to party. It's funny how people think everyone that's gay automatically does drugs. I work at one of the most popular clubs in the country and you don't see that there. I really don't know what else to say.

 

I certainly understand your frustration. My apology was because my initial statement may have sounded harsh and may have offended or hurt someones feelings.

 

I'm a gay guy. My statement came out of love, not condemnation or hate. This Pride event is marketed to the glbt community, with a big push towards the booze they offer. Which is perfectly fine. If people can have some drinks - or many - and be ok, then more power to them. Drugs or alcohol, it doesn't matter. Alcohol is a hard drug and kills more people than all illegal drugs combined. Alcoholism/drug addition abuse is very common in the glbt community. As a gay guy in recovery (I'm "clean and sober" from drugs - including the worst one I ever did and almost killed myself with - alcohol), I'm keenly aware of the issue first hand. It would be appalling and sad to NOT admit that the glbt community has a HUGE issue with addictions. And when I say addictions I'll confidently expand that to alcohol/drugs and what is usually at the core - depression/related illness. Every minority group has problems and we can't get better if we don't admit them. The gay community is well known to have over double the standard addiction rates.

 

Don't get me wrong, I have plenty of glbt friends that have never touched a drink or drug. But I promise you, it's still a big issue. I had lunch with an old friend today, and he told me yet another one died. This guy couldn't keep sober so he finally finished the job himself... this happens way too much.

 

It's natural to take offense when someone makes a blanket statement about a group. But the statement I made is coming from a gay person (me) who cares about his fellow brothers and sisters. It needs awareness and needs to be talked about. Addiction and abuse (and depression, etc. etc. etc.) do not make a person bad. They are illnesses that need to be addressed and hopefully treated.

 

A few weeks ago, a friend who works for the group sponsoring "Pride Night" at Great America asked me if I was going. I said no, that I wasn't going to pay an extra $45 to watch a bunch gay men "act out" at Great America, in various states of intoxication... and that "I can see that at any bar at no extra cost." Now, that was a joke from a gay guy to another. The thing that makes jokes funny is that there is some truth to them.

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The speculation that I would conclude is this man had a previously diagnosed underlying and undisclosed medical condition... I base this speculation on the fact that his personal physician signed off on the death certificate as 'natural causes' right after the death, thus no autopsy or toxicology report will ever be performed...

 

Thus there is really no sense in beating the dead horse at this point...

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  • 2 weeks later...

My SFGAm book finally arrived today! The pictures inside are stunning... I mean, if you enjoy see Schwarzkopf coasters being built and stuff like that, then you will love it. It's available on amazon here: https://www.amazon.com/Flags-Great-America-Images-Modern/dp/1467117021

 

It was supposed to be out a while ago, but they had some supply issues. All seems good now!

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The adult may get a little jail time. At worst, some of the juveniles may get a few days in a detention center where they go to class during the day, do a few chores, get fed better than they do at home, and have movie time at night. Lackluster probation will be handed out for all. If the prosecutors have anything going for them, it's the attention from the press. They may be able to hand out punishments that are a little more stiff than normal. This is just one more reason for me to visit parks less, but consistently spring for fast queue offerings.

 

Time to raise ticket prices...

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Time to raise ticket prices...

 

You think they'll finally get it this time?

 

I'm remembering Six Flags' promotion a few years ago: "Our cheapest season passes in 20 years!" They have a knack for taking something that is bad and trying to market it as a good thing.

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This is also a perfect example of why you should raise this kind of issue to a park employee, instead of trying to start something with the line jumpers. You really never know what kind of people you're dealing with. Just a couple years ago, a kid in the city I work in was killed after being involved in a mob action where a few people attacked him, with no weapons involved at all. Swallow some pride and know that it's not worth dealing with this kind of problem yourself.

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^That is horrible! A few years ago at Kings Dominion... I DID contact security over a line jumping issue. It was right after it happened and security seemed more mad at me than anything. It was a horrible situation and dealt more with stuff that I probably shouldn't talk about. Bad stuff... very unfortunate. I almost asked for a secure escort to the car at the end of the day.

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I was at the park Saturday and actually saw the police car and one of ambulances while on X-Flight. Obviously I wasn't sure at the time what had happened. Hopefully all of them are banned for life from entering the park. How does a park enforce a life time ban anyways?

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How does a park enforce a life time ban anyways?

 

From what I heard... if you are spotted at the park (by security, or an employee, for example) then they can press charges. Or something like that. Someone else can explain better I'm sure! I do know one person in particular (a former "park/coaster friend") who is banned from all Six Flags forever, apparently. He was a bad boy, repeatedly. Too much acting up and acting out, and the sad thing is he doesn't understand how to own his behavior.

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I was at the park Saturday and actually saw the police car and one of ambulances while on X-Flight. Obviously I wasn't sure at the time what had happened. Hopefully all of them are banned for life from entering the park. How does a park enforce a life time ban anyways?

 

They issue them a trespassing ticket for life which is a Class A misdemeanor in Illinois. That can lead to a $2500 fine and a year in jail if prosecuted fully. That is used as a deterrent but of course if the person really wants to get back in they probably can and just risk getting caught or doing something stupid again to get caught. With camera's everywhere starting to become part of everyday life and facial recognition software getting better all the time you imagine eventually parks will be able to really enforce bans like this. They may be doing it already. Anybody on these boards in involved with security at parks and can share some knowledge?

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With camera's everywhere starting to become part of everyday life and facial recognition software getting better all the time you imagine eventually parks will be able to really enforce bans like this. They may be doing it already.

SF parks can't keep simple low tech effects including fire, misters, and lighting consistently working. I don't think facial recognition cameras with supporting software will be available at these parks for years to come. Until then, just be happy the shitters flush.

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Sorry to break into the conversation about the recent incident but I'm wondering what kind of crowds I should expect to see for the rides on Friday October 13th and Saturday the 14th. Obviously I'm expecting some pretty heavy crowds on the Saturday but maybe the haunts will eat up a lot of people?

Also just fyi we'll be at the park from open to close on Friday and from open till about 5 or 6 on Saturday before driving home to Cleveland

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SF parks can't keep simple low tech effects including fire, misters, and lighting consistently working. I don't think facial recognition cameras with supporting software will be available at these parks for years to come. Until then, just be happy the shitters flush.

 

The sad part is, there's so much truth to this.

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Sorry to break into the conversation about the recent incident but I'm wondering what kind of crowds I should expect to see for the rides on Friday October 13th and Saturday the 14th. Obviously I'm expecting some pretty heavy crowds on the Saturday but maybe the haunts will eat up a lot of people?

Also just fyi we'll be at the park from open to close on Friday and from open till about 5 or 6 on Saturday before driving home to Cleveland

Weather is your main variable. The warmer it is, the more packed it will be... Saturday will be a class above Friday for crowds... You're playing with fire on that Saturday. Plan on a Flash Pass.

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Sorry to break into the conversation about the recent incident but I'm wondering what kind of crowds I should expect to see for the rides on Friday October 13th and Saturday the 14th. Obviously I'm expecting some pretty heavy crowds on the Saturday but maybe the haunts will eat up a lot of people?

Also just fyi we'll be at the park from open to close on Friday and from open till about 5 or 6 on Saturday before driving home to Cleveland

 

It's never a sure thing, and weather plays a part as always... But, based on our several visits already to Fright Fest this year, the park attendance by my estimation nearly doubles after about 5-6PM, on Saturday/Sunday... During the day on Saturday/Sunday adult ride lines have not been crowded at all as it's a lot of families with young children, but as soon as night rolls around all the rides are packed like a high attendance mid summer day... Friday is a wild card, if the weather is good, expect attendance and lines to be high as it's only night time hours, if the weather is bad it generally kills the attendance...

 

If you want to visit the haunted houses, the lines are even longer or should I say slower, expect at least an hour wait for each haunted house or more as the night progresses...

 

From my observations, the haunted house lines are doing little to reduce the ride lines, it appears there is an excess haunted house crowd over and above the regular ride crowds....

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