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^To further prove that point, Batman rarely has a big line whenever I visit. That's the last thing I do at night, and I usually get ten rides in because I get to stay on the train the whole time. During the ay I would be surprised to see the line over 20 minutes.

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With regards to the shorter lines on X-flight-maybe the ride isn't that intimidating from the midway? Maybe it was marketed wrong? Maybe the gimmick of being a wing coaster and the sensation of flight wasn't well executed because of its slow appearance and compact layout? Who knows. Perhaps the tribe has spoken, and Great America's audience is tired of getting compact 2-train B&Ms. I hope this is true...

 

Well, part of it is that it is a ride with pretty good capacity (at least compared to Goliath and American Eagle and others), and last time I was there, they still staffed it and ran it pretty efficiently. But I don't disagree that there is also some component of the public not quite responding to the ride the same way they respond to Raging Bull or Goliath or Batman (when it first opened -- it was a HUGE hit). Which is my concern about wingriders -- to-date, they have been fairly mild and people seem to "like" them alot, but don't 'love" them.

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With regards to the shorter lines on X-flight-maybe the ride isn't that intimidating from the midway? Maybe it was marketed wrong? Maybe the gimmick of being a wing coaster and the sensation of flight wasn't well executed because of its slow appearance and compact layout? Who knows. Perhaps the tribe has spoken, and Great America's audience is tired of getting compact 2-train B&Ms. I hope this is true...

 

I think a lot of people watch the ride from the midway and determine it's not fast enough. And you know that if a ride isn't fast enough, the GP doesn't think it's any good.

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^To further prove that point, Batman rarely has a big line whenever I visit. That's the last thing I do at night, and I usually get ten rides in because I get to stay on the train the whole time. During the ay I would be surprised to see the line over 20 minutes.

 

I've been to the park 11 times this season so far; all but twice the line for Batman was consistently a full Queue house. They are very good at moving people through that line. Batman is still one of the most popular rides in the park.

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I havent really seen it mentioned here but I think it is really important to mention: Goliath is FLYING these days. The ride is really running a lot faster and better. I rode it three times on media day and then twice last night and I was shocked. There was air /momentum into the dive twist and better positives on the twist and shout. The element rode really quick whereas on media day the twist and shout was so slow that youd sort of feel the sensation of being tilted over the element's supports and it was a definite lul. The airtime hill is no el toro ejector but its a nice long smooth element. People try to compare goliath to other rides based on its pacingor how hard its negatives are but one thing is for sure and that is its forward momentum is already something to write home about. Long story short, the ride is running a lot better now and if you havent been on since May, give it another shot.

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I havent really seen it mentioned here but I think it is really important to mention: Goliath is LFYING these days. The ride is really running a lot faster and better...

 

Long story short, the ride is running a lot better now and if you havent been on since May, give it another shot.

 

I could not agree more. I was not impressed in May, and now it resides in my Top Ten Woodies.

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Nice job Six Flags....

 

Sorry about the horrible experience, Robb. Six Flags just hiring 18 years for cheap labor and makes kids cry. If the HORRIBLE staff is reading, I'd suggest you guys take a reality check at the staff and NOT put in a new ride next year. Instead, we get nice staff. There's our reason for the 8% drop in attendance.

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She got the height band now and all should be well. I though they usually place an ID card gently on a child's head as a straightedge to see where the child is at. Should be an easy call, but sometimes it is a close call as evidenced by the fact she got on Goliath and Eagle okay. That is why the wristband is a good bet before going on rides just to be sure.

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She got the height band now and all should be well.

The point is that stuff like that shouldn't even be happening in the first place!

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^^^ Wow, Robb. That is horrible. Hopefully park management sees that. Sucks that happened but I'm sorry to say, I'm not surprised. This infuriates me as I have a daughter myself that is a little over a year older than Kristen.

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She got the height band now and all should be well.

The point is that stuff like that shouldn't even be happening in the first place!

 

It's a judgment call on the part of the ops. When a kid is borderline, it makes it tougher. How do you suggest ensuring consistency with different rides other than the wristband? I agree she should not get on Goliath and Eagle to be told no on Viper, but it's still a human using his/her eyes against a measuring stick. It's not an exact science. And it's for safety, so it's an important decision.

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I once saw a kid turned down on a ride because he was 1/4 of a inch short...

 

But he should be, because it's a safety issue. I am a parent, and I would want my kids turned away if too short. It's happened before where it was a close call and we just wanted to check.

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I hope this was just a one-off thing. This is sad. I think parks shouldn't use pipe measuring sticks - not the kind with a bent top, and definitely not the straight kind. The pipe adds too much error. I'd rather see "flat-top" measuring sticks, sort of like the metal ones at Cedar Point. Also, the wristband should be the final word if it is obtained at park operations after an "official" measurement.

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From personal experience, if the manufacturer says a person has to be of a certain height to ride, then they have to be at that height. Even if they're 1/4th of an inch off of the mark. If an incident were to happen and there were injuries, if the ops let someone who was too short onto the ride, the park could be liable for lawsuit - especially because they went against the manufacturer's safety requirements.

 

Even then ops still let people who are barely below the mark onto the ride. Some ops give some leeway while others are typically by the book.

 

As for this situation, I'm not sure what to think. Maybe she was wearing tennis shoes and switched to flip flops, maybe KT shrank in her shoes while she was walking around the park (yes it does happen). Assuming she was checked at both Eagle and Goliath and cleared, perhaps Viper's height stick is a little off. I dunno.

 

- Did the ops physically boo her off the ride? There's no excuse for that.

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This is an unfortunate situation. The ride op was probably just trying to do his job right, but there should be some consistency between the rides. Don't know how 48" on one ride is not 48" on another. And then the crowd booing is terrible-unfortunately that's the type of crowd that Six Flags gets sometimes.

 

In other (maybe more lighthearted?) news, some guy is trying to sue SFGAm because he was stuck on Superman for 15 minutes:

http://www.courthousenews.com/2014/07/28/69871.htm

 

The excerpts from the claim that was filed are gold-"Superman: Ultimate Fight", "...became sick and disabled, and will continue to suffer great pain...". I was stuck on Superman for about 10-15 minutes last year in the brake run because of a protein spill ahead of us. It's not terribly uncomfortable, and we got exit passes for our troubles. I'd gladly trade 10-15 minutes suspended on Superman for an exit pass.

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Grason was then and there severely and seriously injured, both internally and externally, and he suffered a severe shock to his nervous system, and bruises, contusions, and lacerations to his body; and became sick and disabled, and will continue to suffer great pain, discomfort, and physical impairment, and his injuries required hospitalization and medical treatment, all of which said injuries are permanent

 

This country sucks.

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This is an unfortunate situation. The ride op was probably just trying to do his job right, but there should be some consistency between the rides. Don't know how 48" on one ride is not 48" on another. And then the crowd booing is terrible-unfortunately that's the type of crowd that Six Flags gets sometimes.

 

In other (maybe more lighthearted?) news, some guy is trying to sue SFGAm because he was stuck on Superman for 15 minutes:

http://www.courthousenews.com/2014/07/28/69871.htm

 

The excerpts from the claim that was filed are gold-"Superman: Ultimate Fight", "...became sick and disabled, and will continue to suffer great pain...". I was stuck on Superman for about 10-15 minutes last year in the brake run because of a protein spill ahead of us. It's not terribly uncomfortable, and we got exit passes for our troubles. I'd gladly trade 10-15 minutes suspended on Superman for an exit pass.

 

How does anybody file that claim? They weren't stuck upside down, they could not be bruised or anything... what... the... F... if this was true, it would have been on the news... being stuck in a brake run is not "being hung upside down" and damaging your nervous system, bruises, contusions, etc... The park shouldn't have to deal with this.

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From personal experience, if the manufacturer says a person has to be of a certain height to ride, then they have to be at that height. Even if they're 1/4th of an inch off of the mark. If an incident were to happen and there were injuries, if the ops let someone who was too short onto the ride, the park could be liable for lawsuit - especially because they went against the manufacturer's safety requirements.

 

Even then ops still let people who are barely below the mark onto the ride. Some ops give some leeway while others are typically by the book.

 

As for this situation, I'm not sure what to think. Maybe she was wearing tennis shoes and switched to flip flops, maybe KT shrank in her shoes while she was walking around the park (yes it does happen). Assuming she was checked at both Eagle and Goliath and cleared, perhaps Viper's height stick is a little off. I dunno.

 

- Did the ops physically boo her off the ride? There's no excuse for that.

No it wasnt the ops that booed her Robb said it was the other guests in line who were apparently unhappy with waiting for them to measure KT's height.

 

The worst part is Robb posted that after this he went to guest relations and got her a wristband declaring that she is officially 48" and when he went back to Viper the ops STILL denied letting her on the ride. What's the point of the wristband if the ops can just say "Meh I don't recognize that"? Obviously Robb wasn't about to give up though, he said he spoke with some supervisors and eventually got her on the ride.

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I hope this was just a one-off thing. This is sad. I think parks shouldn't use pipe measuring sticks - not the kind with a bent top, and definitely not the straight kind. The pipe adds too much error. I'd rather see "flat-top" measuring sticks, sort of like the metal ones at Cedar Point. Also, the wristband should be the final word if it is obtained at park operations after an "official" measurement.

 

This. Usually the people that conduct the measurements work in the safety department, and they are the ones who should make the final decisions. Not some ride op, who barely knows anything about safety, and just memorizes the rules on all the signs. No disrespect to ride ops, because I was one myself a long time ago. But as we know, many of the ride ops today hate their jobs and take it out on the guests.

 

If I were in that situation, I would have called security to remove any rowdy or disrespectful guests.

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It just shows how bad SF customer service is across the board. And how lacking they are in training. They get the child the the wristband after the problem. And when they bring the child back, the operators/attendants still refused to allow the child to ride.

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