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This coaster looks insanely crazy and insanely great all around. Outlaw Run's first drop was very similar to Raging Bull's (the latter of which is my favorite first drop that I've experienced) in that you are just ripped out of your seat and float all the way down, so it'll be interesting to see how Goliath's compares. Most excited for that, the raven turn, and the airtime hill.

 

It's also interesting how my first dive loop will be on a wooden coaster.

 

I'm going to need to experience it first (next Wednesday for Media Day) but NTaG has the best first drop I've ever experienced, and this comes from a guy whose favorite roller coaster is Outlaw Run. In all honesty a super steep drop doesn't necessarily make the best drop. At the Great Am my favorite drop is the first drop on the Eagle. However, I think Goliath will take the winners spot. I think the back seat will feel like the back seat on Xcelerator after you crest the top hat at Knotts, just absolute destruction on whatever part of your body happens to be touching the lap restraint.

 

Also, as far as the dive loop goes, look here. Now this just marketing material but the original graphic is not just a dive drop. It's very clearly a 180 degree roll (as they show) followed by an inverted drop. Typically the twist should smoothly transition into drop to make a dive drop but the original graphic shows it as two separate elements separated by a stall. From photos we've seen of the actual built installation it really is a dive drop, but I think it's interesting to discuss this.

 

I disagree about it being different than the concept art which defines it as two seperate elements. Look at this photo from last week. It ascends wayyy up the hill before it starts to twist.

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Oh my goodness, this definitely supports my point! The concept art shows it rolling over, sitting in a stall, then diving into the inversion. This image shows a much more fluid and definite dive drop. In all honesty it looks exactly like the B&M dive drops without the lift hills now, but the concept art shows it actually leveling out at the same height for some time.

 

It's humorous actually, you can see X-Flight's immelman in the background of this shot and it's very similar. Much different from the concept art I posted.

 

Understandably it does ascend way up the hill, as you said. The point was that in the concept art it sits there for the entire length of the station before starting the drop.

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That's because of the point of view of the picture, but that dive loop is indeed divided in two distinct phases :

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I would have liked it better more fluid as well (B&Mish), because it seems like it's the same feeling as the zero-g stall, making the latter less surprising as you've been "spoiled" by this one.

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That's because of the point of view of the picture, but that dive loop is indeed divided in two distinct phases :
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I would have liked it better more fluid as well (B&Mish), because it seems like it's the same feeling as the zero-g stall, making the latter less surprising as you've been "spoiled" by this one.

 

Yup! Good find! It definitely looks like two separate elements. I don't know, maybe the additional time inverted will actually be better. In a lot of B&M inversions it sometimes goes so quick you really don't get to relish in the fact that you're inverted. I think the way RMC did it here is going to be good.

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That's because of the point of view of the picture, but that dive loop is indeed divided in two distinct phases :
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I would have liked it better more fluid as well (B&Mish), because it seems like it's the same feeling as the zero-g stall, making the latter less surprising as you've been "spoiled" by this one.

If you look at

(2:46) you can see the dive loop is sort of similar. Maybe not quite the same time upside down but close.
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Alright I'm back from the commercial shoot! Here are my thoughts.

 

Overall, it was a fairly well run shoot-obviously more periods of down time to position the real "talent" (paid models/actors that sat in the front two rows) and get the cameras ready, but I ended up getting 7 rides in between about 1:30 and 4:30. Most towards the back but one in row 3. Around 100-120 people there when I was there. The coaster was wonderful-definitely the best in the park in my opinion, but I think we all expected that. I've only been to SFGAm and Cedar Point, so I can't compare to Outlaw Run, New Texas Giant, etc. The view from the lift hill is fantastic as well-can really see most of the park.

 

I'll be interested to see how they run it operationally when it opens. Hopefully it has two trains. During the shoot, they had two people checking lap bars/seat belts-one on each side. When you got in, you only buckled yourself-didn't touch the lap bar. They'd go down front to back checking seat belts, then you can pull down your lap bar, then they went all the way back to the front and went along the train again checking lap bars. I think this was because you had to buckle yourself in before putting the lap bar down?

 

I'll rank the elements by how much I liked them-but they were all great, it's unfair to say one is the "worst":

1. Zero-G Stall: It seemed like this was the consensus favorite part of the ride by all of the riders. You really feel like you are floating, and it feels like you are upside down forever. It feels like the only thing holding you in is the lap bar. This seemed like a totally unique element.

2. First Drop: You definitely are pulled out of your seat, great drop.

3. Airtime Hill: Does what it says on the box-gives (LOTS) of airtime.

4. Dive Drop: This was great-the entrance to the dive drop felt just like the zero-g stall, so I can see why they labeled it as two different elements on the marketing description. You get a sensation of being left to hang for a little bit.

5. Twist & Shout: You get a good pop of airtime going into it and coming out of it

6. Overbank Turn: Just like the Twist & Shout, you get some airtime headed into it and a lot on the drop down to the airtime hill.

7. "Break Run Hill": Maybe this isn't technically an element, but you get one good last pop of airtime before the break run-which is pretty smooth.

 

Overall, the ride is real smooth, but with some hints of it being a wooden coaster. I know there was some discussion earlier about the "moments of airtime" you get-by my count, there would be 9. Let me know if I missed anything-I'm about to head to dinner but will come back if anybody has more specific questions about it. I had a ton of fun on it!

 

For those that rode Goliath during the commercial shoot how is the seat belts/restraints? Are they accommodating? Can a bigger person ride if they could get on every other ride at the park?

 

I imagine so, but I wouldn't want to make any promises. If the cars are similar to Outlaw Run, someone who has ridden that may be able to answer better than I. There are "shin restraints/pads", which may seem a bit uncomfortable at first, but you don't notice them at all on the ride.

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^Also, the website still says June 19. I heard they were running one train at the shoot, because the other is not ready, and one train on a opening day would become a disaster.

 

On top of that, the weather looks terrible for the Media Day and for the first day of operation. Goliath will not be open until after the weekend.

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^Also, the website still says June 19. I heard they were running one train at the shoot, because the other is not ready, and one train on a opening day would become a disaster.

 

On top of that, the weather looks terrible for the Media Day and for the first day of operation. Goliath will not be open until after the weekend.

 

I honestly don't think a little bad weather will stop them. Unless there is lightning threats, the ride will probably open on time.

*EDIT* Apparently there are scattered thunderstorms forecasted for Wednesday. Half the time the weather reports are wrong, and I couldn't imagine there would be storms over the whole area for the entire event, so I think we should be good.

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^Also, the website still says June 19. I heard they were running one train at the shoot, because the other is not ready, and one train on a opening day would become a disaster.

 

On top of that, the weather looks terrible for the Media Day and for the first day of operation. Goliath will not be open until after the weekend.

 

I honestly don't think a little bad weather will stop them. Unless there is lightning threats, the ride will probably open on time.

 

It's all thunderstorms in the forecast until Sunday evening.

 

I'm just trying to kill all expectations I have for riding this thing. I have this feeling that I will not be riding Goliath for quite a long time no matter how hard I try so it's better just to get used to it. It makes it easier in the end when I'm actually let down.

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"This element must absolutely piss off gravity" .... LOL!!!!

 

I have a question.

 

When going through that element while you are upside down do you feel like you are totally weightless or do you feel like you are being pulled down (or up in this case) into your seat?

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"This element must absolutely piss off gravity" .... LOL!!!!

 

I have a question.

 

When going through that element while you are upside down do you feel like you are totally weightless or do you feel like you are being pulled down (or up in this case) into your seat?

 

Ha, that is the perfect description for that element!

 

I felt like it was close to total weightlessness-I'll put it this way, my butt was totally off the seat. I could feel my thighs against the lap bar but that was it-it's as if the car was just stopped upside-down, that's close to what it feels like. With no over the shoulder restraints, it's amazing. Best part of any coaster I've ever ridden by far.

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"This element must absolutely piss off gravity" .... LOL!!!!

 

I have a question.

 

When going through that element while you are upside down do you feel like you are totally weightless or do you feel like you are being pulled down (or up in this case) into your seat?

 

Ha, that is the perfect description for that element!

 

I felt like it was close to total weightlessness-I'll put it this way, my butt was totally off the seat. I could feel my thighs against the lap bar but that was it-it's as if the car was just stopped upside-down, that's close to what it feels like. With no over the shoulder restraints, it's amazing. Best part of any coaster I've ever ridden by far.

 

Thank you for that explanation, that really does sound amazing.

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Great to read the Goliath reviews being positive. Not that I ever doubted that it would be otherwise. Medusa Steel Coaster is opening to rave reviews as well. Sounds like RMC has done it again (twice).

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For those that rode Goliath during the commercial shoot how is the seat belts/restraints? Are they accommodating? Can a bigger person ride if they could get on every other ride at the park?

 

I would like to echo this! Would someone who can fit on Intamin Hyper coasters (Including Bizarro with it's massive lapbar) be okay to ride?

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To prozach626 : here is the deal. I work full time, my partner works full time. I have two small kids who my parents took out of town for the week. I love the experience of being with the crowd and being there opening day. It is a story and an experience. I don't mind waiting in line it is excitement and low stress. 10 years later I can say I was there opening day. Considering I am in Indianapolis, I don't have another chance to go to Great America... It is an awesome deal it will be open. To each there own.

 

Makes sense to me. I meant nothing by it, I was just curious. The down fall to my coaster habit is that I'm not much for crowds, since I deal with the public in the worst way with my job.

 

That's pretty good luck that it worked out that you're going to be there opening day. Have a great time and let us know how you liked it!

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I have never been denied access to a rollercoaster due to size, but it was a very close call for me on top thrill dragster. Which surprised me because on Insane Coaster Wars there looked to be people bigger than me on it. I am glad to know others compare the intamin rides too lol. That is why I asked about RMC restraints as I have never been on one and there are very few out. I saw a picture on a SF fan sight that showed a huge muscle man half naked posing as Goliath during the photo shoot so that is promising.

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For those who have ridden Goliath and Outlaw Run, are the restraints the same? I'd heard the shin guard might be more comfortable on Goliath. I ask because my son is 6-6. He fit on OR but his legs were painfully pinned. Thanks.

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Just to feed speculation here, Buccaneer Battle (the Mack Splash Battle that took the place of Déjà Vu) is officially listed as "closed for the season." Make of that what you will.

 

I rarely see anyone riding it, even during the hottest days in the summer.

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