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I think we all saw this one coming, or at least I did.

 

And this is what makes you better than the rest of us. Not only did you see this coming, but you had the humility to point it out to the rest of us idiots who were hoping otherwise. I'm sure with this cavalier ammount of hubris in your arsenal, you will make fast friends of everyone you meet, and greatly impress peers and future employers. The skys the limit for you young man! Keep up the great work. You're making your generation proud!

 

 

I just thought I'd share my opinion, like everyone else does. No need to be rude. It's okay to disagree, but don't be a jerk about it.

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I think we all saw this one coming, or at least I did.

 

And this is what makes you better than the rest of us. Not only did you see this coming, but you had the humility to point it out to the rest of us idiots who were hoping otherwise. I'm sure with this cavalier ammount of hubris in your arsenal, you will make fast friends of everyone you meet, and greatly impress peers and future employers. The skys the limit for you young man! Keep up the great work. You're making your generation proud!

 

 

I just thought I'd share my opinion, like everyone else does. No need to be rude. It's okay to disagree, but don't be a jerk about it.

Absolutely nothing wrong with what you said, some people are just easily bothered

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A delay isn't the end of the world, but I wouldn't call it "a good thing". Goals were set and not met, pieces were put up and taken down, multiple reschedulings, etc, all in all bad news for the park. It seems like this was an unusually problematic build for RMC. Yes it was a rough winter, but I wonder if that was the whole story.

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It is good that they are delaying to make sure they are safe. Two days of testing would be a tight squeeze, and when it comes to a coaster, there is no such thing as too much testing.

 

Alternatively, Six Flags could avoid disappointments to media outlets and guests and travellers by actually starting construction at a normal time. I mean, how many Six Flags rides get delayed each year? Meanwhile, you've got coasters like I-305, built through three blizzards and torrential downpours, that open as-scheduled.

 

I understand that delays happen - I work on engineering projects too. I just don't see how a company like Six Flags can be so willing to promise opening days year after year and consistently fail to meet them. Either announce an opening day of June 21 for every new ride, or start groundwork earlier. No decent business (or contractor, whoever it is that they keep using) should feel that it's acceptable to provide products so late so reliably.

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I think we all saw this one coming, or at least I did.

 

And this is what makes you better than the rest of us. Not only did you see this coming, but you had the humility to point it out to the rest of us idiots who were hoping otherwise. I'm sure with this cavalier ammount of hubris in your arsenal, you will make fast friends of everyone you meet, and greatly impress peers and future employers. The skys the limit for you young man! Keep up the great work. You're making your generation proud!

 

 

I just thought I'd share my opinion, like everyone else does. No need to be rude. It's okay to disagree, but don't be a jerk about it.

I think that your opinion is perfectly okay. I agree with you that we all saw this coming. Some people just like to be an a$$ about things.
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It is good that they are delaying to make sure they are safe. Two days of testing would be a tight squeeze, and when it comes to a coaster, there is no such thing as too much testing.

 

Alternatively, Six Flags could avoid disappointments to media outlets and guests and travellers by actually starting construction at a normal time. I mean, how many Six Flags rides get delayed each year? Meanwhile, you've got coasters like I-305, built through three blizzards and torrential downpours, that open as-scheduled.

 

I understand that delays happen - I work on engineering projects too. I just don't see how a company like Six Flags can be so willing to promise opening days year after year and consistently fail to meet them. Either announce an opening day of June 21 for every new ride, or start groundwork earlier. No decent business (or contractor, whoever it is that they keep using) should feel that it's acceptable to provide products so late so reliably.

 

I agree, especially considering SFGAM is located in an area of the U.S. notorious for harsh winter weather. Be different if the park was in Southern California or Florida...

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I think we all saw this one coming, or at least I did.

 

And this is what makes you better than the rest of us. Not only did you see this coming, but you had the humility to point it out to the rest of us idiots who were hoping otherwise. I'm sure with this cavalier ammount of hubris in your arsenal, you will make fast friends of everyone you meet, and greatly impress peers and future employers. The skys the limit for you young man! Keep up the great work. You're making your generation proud!

 

And you sound like a blast to be around too!

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It is good that they are delaying to make sure they are safe. Two days of testing would be a tight squeeze, and when it comes to a coaster, there is no such thing as too much testing.

 

Alternatively, Six Flags could avoid disappointments to media outlets and guests and travellers by actually starting construction at a normal time. I mean, how many Six Flags rides get delayed each year? Meanwhile, you've got coasters like I-305, built through three blizzards and torrential downpours, that open as-scheduled.

 

I understand that delays happen - I work on engineering projects too. I just don't see how a company like Six Flags can be so willing to promise opening days year after year and consistently fail to meet them. Either announce an opening day of June 21 for every new ride, or start groundwork earlier. No decent business (or contractor, whoever it is that they keep using) should feel that it's acceptable to provide products so late so reliably.

 

How do you know that this is Six Flag's fault and not RMC? Maybe RMC made a promise on a date they couldn't meet. Either way, it's really not that big of a deal. I'd try to get a little more experience in the engineering/construction world, before passing harsh judgements like that.

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It is good that they are delaying to make sure they are safe. Two days of testing would be a tight squeeze, and when it comes to a coaster, there is no such thing as too much testing.

 

Alternatively, Six Flags could avoid disappointments to media outlets and guests and travellers by actually starting construction at a normal time. I mean, how many Six Flags rides get delayed each year? Meanwhile, you've got coasters like I-305, built through three blizzards and torrential downpours, that open as-scheduled.

 

I understand that delays happen - I work on engineering projects too. I just don't see how a company like Six Flags can be so willing to promise opening days year after year and consistently fail to meet them. Either announce an opening day of June 21 for every new ride, or start groundwork earlier. No decent business (or contractor, whoever it is that they keep using) should feel that it's acceptable to provide products so late so reliably.

 

How do you know that this is Six Flag's fault and not RMC? Maybe RMC made a promise on a date they couldn't meet. Either way, it's really not that big of a deal. I'd try to get a little more experience in the engineering/construction world, before passing harsh judgements like that.

You have to look at recent history to get an idea. I'm not going to blame Six Flags, RMC, or winter, but Six Flags isn't known to meet deadlines, even Memorial Day deadlines. Even this year, Zumanjaro is delayed, Ragin Cajun is delayed (which is completely beyond me- a relocated wild mouse, for God sakes), just to name a few. Cedar Fair (as an example because they are a similar business) meets deadlines (usually opening day) much more consistently than Six Flags. I'm not saying you're wrong, but I don't think it's totally out of line to blame Six Flags on this one. If RMC promised Memorial Day, or even before June, they wouldn't have waited as along as they did anticipating a harsh winter. You have to slow some space in the schedule for snow days, Especially in the Midwest.

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It's the Patron Saint Of Positivity, prozach!

 

Anyway, the only strange part to me is how bold the GM of the park was being when questioned (as recently as a week or so ago) about not being able to hit the deadline. I wonder if something fairly major went wrong, recently, or if he was just mistaken in being as reassuring as he was being?

 

There are so many moving parts when it comes to any construction project - scheduling/setting goals is a very tough part of the job. I think many people like to simply state "hey, move the start date up a month or two" and consider that the answer --- I thought, over the years, that I've read that they stick pretty tight to their budgets/fiscal year release of funds etc. So if their accounting department doesn't have final budgets done, and monies for next year's expenditures, aren't completely solidified they're simply not going to "get started early". Seems easy enough.

 

Anyway, seems like the PR end of it could have been a bit better -- but, what are you going to do? Seems like they had great intentions, and perhaps they could have been more realistic a couple weeks ago, but overall most here have seen the incredible progress made (and the insane hours worked) to get this thing done. Undoubtedly some of the scheduling and build time issues will iron themselves out as RMC continues to motor along.

 

Here's a fun shot: back when they started building Z-Force (on this same plot of land), they had to move the train station to fit it in. Here's a pic (from greatamericaparks.com user tech services 1) showing parts of Z-Force on the ground, with the relocated train station in the back.

 

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How do you know that this is Six Flag's fault and not RMC? Maybe RMC made a promise on a date they couldn't meet. Either way, it's really not that big of a deal. I'd try to get a little more experience in the engineering/construction world, before passing harsh judgements like that.

 

Because it's an occurrence that's Six Flags-wide and doesn't depend on the manufacturer. And because those same companies are consistently able to provide rides on-schedule to other parks and chains. I mean, let's be honest here: Six Flags failed to open a little old relocated B&M on-time two years ago (or a wild mouse making the same trip this season), and I doubt B&M (or Reverchon) had anything at all to do with that. Their track record really speaks for itself.

 

Speaking of track records, how many SF projects are actually open as of Memorial Day (which is already 1-2 months behind other parks' openings)? I know Rajun Cajun isn't, nor is Zumanjaro, Goliath, Medusa, or either set of Blasters. If you don't think there's a problem here when a chain consistently fails to meet the latest opening date of their entire country's parks, I'm not sure what would be a problem for you.

 

You're right in that I don't know the source of the delays for Goliath, but if you expect me to just lend a blind eye to the rest of Six Flags' downfalls when it comes to construction schedules to accept that it was all the weather...nope.

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