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My initial thought about the Zero-G stall was that I wanted it to go through a mess of wooden supports for the head chopper elements. However, this is just as cool. Now you have nothing but the ground 80 feet or so below you and a simple lap bar holding you in upside down. Seems quite thrilling!

 

Just... like... a steel coaster! Also, when you're upside down on a coaster, do you EVER think to look up at the ground, at the moment you're inverted? I certainly don't.

 

Surely they must have known how they were building the lift before construction started. Anyone else find it strangely calculating that they should release this info now, shortly before construction on the lift starts and they can no longer keep it a secret? Were they fearing a negative backlash?

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I think its just as coaster technology progresses we will see a lot Hybrid coasters in the future. I love that as its opening a lot of new layouts that were not possible with Wood coasters.

 

However I do think that coasters having a steel track on a wooden/hybrid support structure should be in the steel coaster poll.

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^as far as the ongoing argument with that, my stance is the same as mitch hawker poll's. If the track or supports or some vital part of the ride is partially or completely steel then the wheels have to be traditional steel wheels for it to count as wooden. Polyurethane on steel track is the only way it can be counted as steel really.

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By definition, a wood tracked coaster is layers of wood molded to the support structure with steel rails on top. This is what Goliath has for its running surface. The only difference between Rocky Mountain's wood coaster track and traditional wood track is that the top layer is all steel (their topper track) instead of a wood plank with bar stock steel for the running surfaces. The iron transformations of the now 3 previous wooden coasters have the ENTIRE laminate replaced by steel in the shape of the previous wooden track. I didn't think this was that difficult to follow.

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Surely they must have known how they were building the lift before construction started. Anyone else find it strangely calculating that they should release this info now, shortly before construction on the lift starts and they can no longer keep it a secret? Were they fearing a negative backlash?

 

I would think the risk of a backlash is greater now because we have the original renderings--what we thought we were getting--to compare the new ones to, so the difference in the look of the lift and zero G is sort of a shock. The new look seems to have its big fans and its foes, but it is what it is, and I'm still looking forward to the ride very much.

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^I'm not sure why I'm mentioned in that quote box but I didn't write that post.

 

My initial thought about the Zero-G stall was that I wanted it to go through a mess of wooden supports for the head chopper elements. However, this is just as cool. Now you have nothing but the ground 80 feet or so below you and a simple lap bar holding you in upside down. Seems quite thrilling!

 

Just... like... a steel coaster! Also, when you're upside down on a coaster, do you EVER think to look up at the ground, at the moment you're inverted? I certainly don't.

 

Surely they must have known how they were building the lift before construction started. Anyone else find it strangely calculating that they should release this info now, shortly before construction on the lift starts and they can no longer keep it a secret? Were they fearing a negative backlash?

 

No, not just like a steel coaster. There's not any coaster, steel or wood, that has a zero-G stall. Even steel coasters that do have a lot of hang time on an inversion usually have OTSR's which is much more restrictive than just lap bars. I just think the sense of hanging there upside down for a couple seconds with nothing below you makes me more uneasy than a lot of supports directly below you. That's just my opinion and I see why people would want head choppers instead of being open. We all have different preferences. Regardless of not having head choppers, I believe it will still be a crazy element and I'm looking forward to it.

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Isn't the zero-g stall going to be similar to the feel of S&S El Loco's hang time in those crazy dive loops?

 

I think it's hard to say exactly what the Zero-G will feel like until after Goliath opens, especially since this is a new inversion. I'm very excited to try it out though! 13 weeks from today until Goliath opens (if everything is on schedule) and 10 weeks until the park opens!

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I honestly love the design. It is a great blend between the metal and the wood. It does make hard to decide if it is a woodie or a hybrid, but does it really matter. If it is a great roller coaster, it is a a great roller coaster. Even though the lift hill has a metal structure, it gives a more insecure feeling since there are fewer supports around you creating an open feel. I think this is an upgrade not a hindrance to the ride. Cannot wait to ride this when it opens

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^as far as the ongoing argument with that, my stance is the same as mitch hawker poll's. If the track or supports or some vital part of the ride is partially or completely steel then the wheels have to be traditional steel wheels for it to count as wooden. Polyurethane on steel track is the only way it can be counted as steel really.

 

If this is true, then will that poll count Goliath as steel? It's track and supports are partially steel and the wheels are polyurethane?

 

By definition, a wood tracked coaster is layers of wood molded to the support structure with steel rails on top. This is what Goliath has for its running surface. The only difference between Rocky Mountain's wood coaster track and traditional wood track is that the top layer is all steel (their topper track) instead of a wood plank with bar stock steel for the running surfaces. The iron transformations of the now 3 previous wooden coasters have the ENTIRE laminate replaced by steel in the shape of the previous wooden track. I didn't think this was that difficult to follow.

 

And I don't believe anybody is contesting that at this point. Has anybody said, "Oh no, now Goliath is a steel coaster!"? My point is there's more that makes a wooden coaster FEEL like a wooden coaster than just what the track is made out of, and the support structure is an enormous part of that. The wheels are a smaller but still important part. RMC has gone way further in blurring the lines here, and for some that's a disappointment.

 

As for calling it a "hybrid", that bothers me too since there is no wooden coaster that doesn't have some steel in its construction as well. So what makes it a hybrid?

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Isn't the zero-g stall going to be similar to the feel of S&S El Loco's hang time in those crazy dive loops?

 

I think it's hard to say exactly what the Zero-G will feel like until after Goliath opens, especially since this is a new inversion. I'm very excited to try it out though! 13 weeks from today until Goliath opens (if everything is on schedule) and 10 weeks until the park opens!

I'm assuming it will provide zero-g and not negatives, as the name suggests. I imagine it will be like a zero g roll with the difference that instead of completing a 360 roll you twist 180 degrees in one direction , stay upside down for a while, and then twist back in the opposite direction. I think it's definitely something we could see in future coasters.

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^as far as the ongoing argument with that, my stance is the same as mitch hawker poll's. If the track or supports or some vital part of the ride is partially or completely steel then the wheels have to be traditional steel wheels for it to count as wooden. Polyurethane on steel track is the only way it can be counted as steel really.

 

If this is true, then will that poll count Goliath as steel? It's track and supports are partially steel and the wheels are polyurethane?

 

By definition, a wood tracked coaster is layers of wood molded to the support structure with steel rails on top. This is what Goliath has for its running surface. The only difference between Rocky Mountain's wood coaster track and traditional wood track is that the top layer is all steel (their topper track) instead of a wood plank with bar stock steel for the running surfaces. The iron transformations of the now 3 previous wooden coasters have the ENTIRE laminate replaced by steel in the shape of the previous wooden track. I didn't think this was that difficult to follow.

 

And I don't believe anybody is contesting that at this point. Has anybody said, "Oh no, now Goliath is a steel coaster!"? My point is there's more that makes a wooden coaster FEEL like a wooden coaster than just what the track is made out of, and the support structure is an enormous part of that. The wheels are a smaller but still important part. RMC has gone way further in blurring the lines here, and for some that's a disappointment.

 

As for calling it a "hybrid", that bothers me too since there is no wooden coaster that doesn't have some steel in its construction as well. So what makes it a hybrid?

The word hybrid is usually used in two ways. One meaning is a wooden hybrid coaster with wooden track and completely steel supports (ie: Voyage). A steel hybrid has track that is completely steel (ie: NTAG) with wooden supports. Goliath has wooden track with mostly wooden supports. If the Mitch Hawker poll really does say that if any significant part of the ride is steel, then the wheels must be steel, are the supports for just the lift hill significant enough for Goliath not to be considered a wooden coaster? If so, Goliath would not be a wooden coaster according to the Mitch Hawker poll, but they can't count it as steel either. In my book, this is a wooden coaster due to the track being wooden.

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Are we REALLY getting into this argument again? Goliath is a wooden coaster. It doesn't matter what the supports are or what wheels it runs on. If it's got wooden track, it's a wooden coaster. If you wanna classify it as a steel coaster, be my guest, but it's still a wooden coaster regardless.

 

I remember reading that Wodan ran on polyurethane wheels to keep noise down. Does that make Wodan a steel coaster too?

 

And if Morey's can finally start construction on this coaster, it will have a support structure similar to Goliath's. Does that make it a steel coaster or a wood coaster?

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And if Morey's can finally start construction on this coaster, it will have a support structure similar to Goliath's. Does that make it a steel coaster or a wood coaster?

 

This is the first I've seen/heard of this coaster...looks like it'd be fun!

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Surely they must have known how they were building the lift before construction started. Anyone else find it strangely calculating that they should release this info now, shortly before construction on the lift starts and they can no longer keep it a secret? Were they fearing a negative backlash?

 

While I have no idea why the renderings didn't show this originally, it seems crazy to think they'd care at all about a "backlash" from a very small amount of people. They aren't building this for the people on the message board, they're building it for the millions of people in the general public who attend every year, and they won't care AT ALL.

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I couldn't care less if the supports were made of Lego (as long as it was safe, only a hypothetical pedantic people), it looks like a righteous ride.

 

If I get to ride this next year, it looks like Outlaw Run will only last 1 year at the top of my rankings. The proof will be in the actual riding of course, but looking good so far.

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Are we REALLY getting into this argument again? Goliath is a wooden coaster. It doesn't matter what the supports are or what wheels it runs on. If it's got wooden track, it's a wooden coaster. If you wanna classify it as a steel coaster, be my guest, but it's still a wooden coaster regardless.

 

^ Haha, this.

 

 

However, I have to say this.

 

Topper track is a grey area, at least for me.

Yes, still a wood coaster, but the amount of steel on it is quite excessive. Especially for a wood coaster. Just my 2c.

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Goliath keeps looking better all the time. I had wondered why they were waiting so long to start the lift hill, when the lift hill was the first part they built of Outlaw Run. I for one love the look, and I agree with others that this isn't a traditional wooden coaster and doesn't need to conform to the look of traditional wooden coasters. I'm at a point in my life now where I am looking for new experiences, things I've never done before, and not just taller/faster/bigger rides. Goliath is looking to be fantastic, and absolutely a new experience. We already have our hotel booked for July, and I am very much looking forward to this.

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