GayCoasterGuy Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 I count Eagle as 2, and Outlaw Run (and the new Goliath) as official "hybrid" wooden coasters. No one cares To maintenance, operations, and a bunch of coaster nerds, Eagle is 2 coasters. To most everyone else, its one coaster. Just like Goliath will be a woodie to most people. Heck, some people who visit Cedar Point still consider Gemini to be a woodie. None of it really matters. American Eagle had steel I-beam track put in in the 90s for the out-run... but mostly still a woodie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StLCPfan Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 Except that calling a tubular steel tracked coaster like Gemini or a mine train a "woodie" isn't comparable to calling a RMC topper track coaster a "we don't know because the top layer of laminate is steel", it's comparable to calling the Coney Island Cyclone or the Great Escape Comet a "steel coaster" because the support structure is made out of steel instead of wood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GayCoasterGuy Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 The point I was trying to make is that, at the end of the day, it doesn't really matter. ^Good point about CI Cyclone and Comet. I remember in the Traver book, Crystal Beach Cyclone and similar rides were called "Steel Saftey Coasters." Interesting stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StLCPfan Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 I think the only people who really make a big deal about the steel vs wood classification on these new coasters that use the traditional wood coaster construction laminate track bed are people who have a bias to one or the other. The wood coaster purists lean toward calling them wood coasters, the steel coaster lovers see the steel top layer and urethane wheels and call them steel coasters. The rest of us just enjoy them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GayCoasterGuy Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 ^I can definitely agree with that. I don't care, as long as the ride is good. But like most coaster nerds, I have an opinion too. I'm all for any combination of wood/steel. The I-beams on American Eagle were the first "steel on wood" tryout I know of. And good thing, it may have saved the ride. It was getting painfully awful near the end of it's "traditional wood track" phase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zombi3elephant9 Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 Well i got my final ride on Ragin Cajun today before it moves to SFA, and i will not miss it. It had been a couple of years since i went on that ride, but after today, i don't want to ride it ever again. I felt like my stomach was going to explode. I will gladly take a sky screamer in that section of the park in 2015. Have fun with another crappy roller coaster that we didn't even like in the first place Six Flags America Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TunaSled Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 ^Sorry about all that, I love RC and leave that ride laughing my arse off every time. I can see how it can easily make people sick though. I will miss it. As for the Sky Screamer, couldn't agree more. The sooner the better! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoopScreweD Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 ^^That ll what happens when you go on a spinning mouse if you have a FEVER and the only prescription is more COWbell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tororific Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 As my (new) hometown park, I am excited to ride this coaster. I have not ridden a RMC-designed coaster, and am excited to see what the ride is like, especially given the insanity of Outlaw Run. That said, I can't honestly say that I was initially extremely thrilled with the design because I was hoping for a more air-time filled ride like El Toro at least a more substantial ride time. But, given the raves of Outlaw Run, maybe this one too will have such insane pacing and the new elements will feel as great as the elements on Outlaw Run, that the apparent lack of "traditional" airtime (other than first drop and the speed hill) will not be missed. In any event, it is amazingly cool that SFGam is getting two substantial coasters in such a short period of time, and this will be a great addition to the park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commando Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 ^ I'll bet this thing will have plenty of airtime. All of those wacky transitions on the overbank/top hat will provide for some interesting sensation. It will be also interesting to see how they fit this into the Yukon territory. And, sorry if this has already been answered, but sure they STILL using Z-Forces station? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcjp Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 I don't know if this has happened to anyone else but I had imagined an element just like that zero g stall before. It's not the first time it happens to me but it's kind of cool to see this is actually being built. As to the ride itself: looks great and if it turns out to be like the other RMC it should be awesome! Just looks a bit short, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoopScreweD Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 Yes the station is the same station used by Z-Force and Iron Wolf, the park president did say some modifications would be made to accomadte the train design as it previously catered to four across Intamin trains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoasterEv Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 Loving the elements on this bad boy. That inverted drop looks like it's going to be amazing!! I've only seen that on some Togos and Ultra Twister @ Rusutsu so this should be incredibly smooth awesomeness, comparatively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GayCoasterGuy Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 That inverted drop looks like it's going to be amazing!! Is that what they're calling it? Whatever it is, you're right - it will be amazing. The inverted hill - 1/3rd loop thingy - that really made me look twice. Insanity... I look forward to the screams! RMC said a while back they would not do any vertical loops. But they have a half loop and a third loop! Very cool! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tororific Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 ^ I'll bet this thing will have plenty of airtime. All of those wacky transitions on the overbank/top hat will provide for some interesting sensation. Sure looks like it -- surprise air would be gravy on top. I only hope it is a huge success and RMC take over American Eagle soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrlittle Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 RMC take over American Eagle soon After building a custom RMC coaster at the park. I doubt they will do a take over of American Eagle. I could maybe see them do some work to it but I doubt we will see a RMC hybrid of American Eagle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanM64 Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 ^I agree. I wouldn't be surprised to see some RMC topper track on AE in the future, but definitely not a total makeover, which is totally ok with me! AE is great when it's smooth and runs without trims. In its current condition, not so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave41580 Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 With the various mentions of Goliath reusing the Iron Wolf/Z-Force station to some degree, it got me to thinking, speaking of Z-Force, do you think that ride was already in the Marriott pipeline for Gurnee when Six Flags bought the park in '84? The timeline between the park purchase by Six Flags in '84 and the opening of Z-Force in '85 was just over a year. Also, The Edge Intamin drop ride was specifically *not* placed in the same County Fair location as it's Edge counterpart in Santa Clara, possibly because Marriott was already planning on purposing that area for Z-Force instead. It has been documented that the Gurnee park was more successful, and received exclusive rides that the Santa Clara park did not, such as American Eagle, White Water Rampage/Roaring Rapids, various flat rides, etc. 1983 - Marriott placed The Edge in the Orleans Place section at Gurnee/County Fair section at Santa Clara May 1984 - Marriott sold to Six Flags July 1985 - Z Force opened in the County Fair section (same location as where The Edge in Santa Clara was located) Just a theory/idea that popped in my head amongst all the new ride talk... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innumerical Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 Rode American Eagle Backwards for the first time tonight during the extended ride time... AWESOME. One of the Blue Trains was a little rough but fast while the other was smoother and slower. The former would always win the race, though. Interesting how backwards Blue manages to win. Hit all the spots. Front, middle, back, was a blast. During the last ride up the lift, I got to thinking... Goliath will be 40 feet taller Pumped for next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vonni Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 So just a thought, but do you think we could ever see RMC do and inside top hat along the lines of Mr. Freeze, and Batman and Robin: The Chiller? OMG that would be so bad ass! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcjp Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 ^Well, that first overbanked turn doesn't look very far from an inside top hat so I guess it would be possible. Having said that, top hats usually come after launches, but maybe RMC will be able to build one in the future! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vonni Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 ^ I figured after my comment someone would mention the wooden launching option. IMO I'm not really fond of the idea. I mean, I guess it would be cool if done, but I just dont know. I picture more of a large first drop (even larger than Goliath) and a vertical drop and then go straight up into an inside top hat right after the drop. I think it would be astounding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Farmer Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 Having said that, top hats usually come after launches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GayCoasterGuy Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 ^ love it If RMC did do a launch (the break run of Goliath would be a good place for one!), I think it wouldn't necessarily need to be a very intense one - just something to gain a little speed. If it was an intense launch, they might have to add headrests. Either way (intense or soft launch, headrests or not) it's gonna happen eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tororific Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 RMC take over American Eagle soon After building a custom RMC coaster at the park. I doubt they will do a take over of American Eagle. I could maybe see them do some work to it but I doubt we will see a RMC hybrid of American Eagle. why not something along the lines of the Texas Giant or Iron Rattler? It's a comparatively cheap way to put new life into a ride, although I agree that topper track is more likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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