FreeFaller Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 The designs look really amazing! This ride looks like a real Goliath in th coaster universe IMO. Are you ready to conquer it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coasterbill Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Also, the debate may continue, but I honestly don't think RMC cares if they're making wooden coasters at this point or not. Aren't we basically saying that if there's a slab of wood imbedded in the track somewhere, we can call it a woodie? I'm just not sure anymore, we may reach a point where the line between them is so fine it's totally meaningless. Steel Supports Steel Supports Steel Supports ... can we stop whining now, PLEASE??? And while the coaster IS a wood coaster, who cares anyway? As long as it's a great ride why does it matter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcjp Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Hope we can see RMC expand into Europe in the future, whether its to build new rides or redo some of the crappy woodies we have here as well. Could you imagine IronThundercoaster? It seems like the perfect candidate to get the I-box treatment IMO. Now that would be amazing! But while it does take a little toll on your body, Thundercoaster is not in the group of coasters which desperately need a makeover. I think the most exciting possibility in Europe is Magnus Colossus, image what RMC could do with that location. Coaster express is another one, in my opinion. I mean, it ranked second to last on the MH wood poll: it's incredibly rough and kind of boring too. If RMC increased the height just a bit and took advantage of it's long layout it would be awesome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gax Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 who cares anyway? As long as it's a great ride why does it matter? Because this is a Roller Coaster enthusiast forum.. Really annoys me when people try to put others down on here for discussing things like this! This is a coaster forum, its the whole point!, if people can't discuss silly details like this here then where the hell can they!? Ps. wood or steel this looks insane! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosscoe Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 This looks insane, Outlaw Run was totally kickass. This looks 10x better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperShawn Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Every time you start to think RMC can't get any more crazy they out do themselves. I can't wait to ride this and see all their future projects! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrapesLie Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 ^ So So TRUE! I mean honestly how do they think of this stuff! This thing makes Outlaw Run look tame by comparison, and if you've ridden Outlaw Run you'll know that's almost a scary thought! I cannot wait to sit my ass in those trains and take a ride though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cfc Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 (edited) Well, like it or not, one thing is for sure. We will never again have a coaster structure as towering and magnificent as SOB's lift hill/turn/drop. Hate on the ride all you want, but you have to admit that 200 ft tall wall of wood was awe-inspiring. Yes, SOB was pretty to look at--but it was still a lousy, painful ride. If Goliath is half as good at New Texas Giant, it will still be an amazing ride. Edited February 22, 2014 by cfc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrillerman1 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 This is stunningly gorgeous and terrifying looking. I can't wait to ride it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boardwalkbullet91507 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Went to sleep last night to these new renderings and woke up to see that they're still true. Wasn't a dream! I really like the look of this. This has to be the most unique and incredible lift on any wooden coaster currently operating. I was beginning to wonder why the lift wasn't going up yet, and now I know. Construction should move by MUCH faster now that the lift is going to be a simple 1-2-3 installation (or however many pieces that megaframe is going to be). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougMJr Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 My only gripe about the new renderings is the fact that the structure is more open during the zero gravity stall. I thought it would be amazingly disorienting to fly through all that structure upside down. Overall though, this is absolutely beautiful. Can't wait to ride it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extra cheese Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 I've been wondering why the lift hill pathway wasn't lined with a hundred little footers. Then I remember seeing pictures like this one... ...and wondering what the hell was going on there. Those huge footers at that spot made no sense. Now it makes perfect sense. That's where the main tower will be. Seems like this was planned all along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon8899 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Looking better and better. The inverted bridge looks crazy and cannot wait to ride it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. M Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Also, the debate may continue, but I honestly don't think RMC cares if they're making wooden coasters at this point or not. Aren't we basically saying that if there's a slab of wood imbedded in the track somewhere, we can call it a woodie? I'm just not sure anymore, we may reach a point where the line between them is so fine it's totally meaningless. Steel Supports Steel Supports Steel Supports ... can we stop whining now, PLEASE??? And while the coaster IS a wood coaster, who cares anyway? As long as it's a great ride why does it matter? Hey now, I'm not one of the ones saying that steel supports make it a steel coaster. Don't lump me in with that crowd. What I'm saying is that wooden coaster design has a tradition and history to it, that's longer (and more distinct) than that of steel coasters. In my eyes RMC managed with Outlaw Run to both honor that tradition while pushing the technology into new territory. I'm talking about the spirit of wooden coasters, and every decision they make is either in keeping with that spirit or it isn't. And this support decision is too big a departure for me. Part of what makes a coaster a coaster is how it looks. For as long as wooden coasters have existed, they've always had that web of wood (or steel) beneath the track, it's what makes zooming through the super structure during the second half of the ride so much fun. Imagine for a moment Stormrunner, with those same supports, those same elements, but with a track that's got a couple layers of wood in it. RMC could probably do this. You'll tell me it's a wooden coaster, I'd tell you you're right but what's the point? It looks like a steel, rides like a steel (except for maybe a bit of added roughness), but you'd say "Wow look how far wooden coasters have come!" Well sorry, but my perfect vision for the future of wooden coasters is not to have them become as much like steel as technologically possible. If you don't think any of this is important, that's fine, we'll agree to disagree and move on. I still think Goliath will be a great ride regardless. And yes, putting the wood/steel issue aside for a moment, the lift hill totally looks like something out of a steampunk future retro fantasyland, it's an incredible piece of architecture (in the renderings at least). Honestly if this was an ibox coaster I'd have nothing to complain about, no wood coaster pretensions would even exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBears Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 My initial thought about the Zero-G stall was that I wanted it to go through a mess of wooden supports for the head chopper elements. However, this is just as cool. Now you have nothing but the ground 80 feet or so below you and a simple lap bar holding you in upside down. Seems quite thrilling! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brassinthegrass Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 I dig the look... I think it keeps it looking like wooden supports with the lattice work, but minimal design allows it to be quite iconic looking... I can not wait to see a far shot of the skyline of the park now, this is really going to be eye catching! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. M Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 My initial thought about the Zero-G stall was that I wanted it to go through a mess of wooden supports for the head chopper elements. However, this is just as cool. Now you have nothing but the ground 80 feet or so below you and a simple lap bar holding you in upside down. Seems quite thrilling! Just... like... a steel coaster! Also, when you're upside down on a coaster, do you EVER think to look up at the ground, at the moment you're inverted? I certainly don't. Surely they must have known how they were building the lift before construction started. Anyone else find it strangely calculating that they should release this info now, shortly before construction on the lift starts and they can no longer keep it a secret? Were they fearing a negative backlash? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPmillenia94 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 ^lol 100% agreement. The ride isn't ruined for me but it essentially ruined the aesthetics and the 0g stall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon8899 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 I think its just as coaster technology progresses we will see a lot Hybrid coasters in the future. I love that as its opening a lot of new layouts that were not possible with Wood coasters. However I do think that coasters having a steel track on a wooden/hybrid support structure should be in the steel coaster poll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPmillenia94 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 ^as far as the ongoing argument with that, my stance is the same as mitch hawker poll's. If the track or supports or some vital part of the ride is partially or completely steel then the wheels have to be traditional steel wheels for it to count as wooden. Polyurethane on steel track is the only way it can be counted as steel really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StLCPfan Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 (edited) By definition, a wood tracked coaster is layers of wood molded to the support structure with steel rails on top. This is what Goliath has for its running surface. The only difference between Rocky Mountain's wood coaster track and traditional wood track is that the top layer is all steel (their topper track) instead of a wood plank with bar stock steel for the running surfaces. The iron transformations of the now 3 previous wooden coasters have the ENTIRE laminate replaced by steel in the shape of the previous wooden track. I didn't think this was that difficult to follow. Edited February 22, 2014 by StLCPfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilrider Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 (edited) Surely they must have known how they were building the lift before construction started. Anyone else find it strangely calculating that they should release this info now, shortly before construction on the lift starts and they can no longer keep it a secret? Were they fearing a negative backlash? I would think the risk of a backlash is greater now because we have the original renderings--what we thought we were getting--to compare the new ones to, so the difference in the look of the lift and zero G is sort of a shock. The new look seems to have its big fans and its foes, but it is what it is, and I'm still looking forward to the ride very much. Edited February 22, 2014 by ilrider Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBears Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 ^I'm not sure why I'm mentioned in that quote box but I didn't write that post. My initial thought about the Zero-G stall was that I wanted it to go through a mess of wooden supports for the head chopper elements. However, this is just as cool. Now you have nothing but the ground 80 feet or so below you and a simple lap bar holding you in upside down. Seems quite thrilling! Just... like... a steel coaster! Also, when you're upside down on a coaster, do you EVER think to look up at the ground, at the moment you're inverted? I certainly don't. Surely they must have known how they were building the lift before construction started. Anyone else find it strangely calculating that they should release this info now, shortly before construction on the lift starts and they can no longer keep it a secret? Were they fearing a negative backlash? No, not just like a steel coaster. There's not any coaster, steel or wood, that has a zero-G stall. Even steel coasters that do have a lot of hang time on an inversion usually have OTSR's which is much more restrictive than just lap bars. I just think the sense of hanging there upside down for a couple seconds with nothing below you makes me more uneasy than a lot of supports directly below you. That's just my opinion and I see why people would want head choppers instead of being open. We all have different preferences. Regardless of not having head choppers, I believe it will still be a crazy element and I'm looking forward to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StLCPfan Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Isn't the zero-g stall going to be similar to the feel of S&S El Loco's hang time in those crazy dive loops? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brassinthegrass Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Speaking of polls... I wonder if we put these on both Wooden and Steel polls and see how they stand up to the "others in the field" For me, I find it hard to put iRat and Outlaw Run on the same line as SFNE Bizarro and I305, but I can see it agains El Toro and Wodan... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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