Guest Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 Wow, I didn't know that SFMM was competing in the same market as a park in Ohio and New Jersey. SFMM is gonna lose soooooo much business, all the kids who live in the valley are gonna go to CP now because we don't have a west coast El Toro. Plus El Toro is extremely intense. Renegade & Evel have out of control type ride experiences but nowhere near the intensity which is what looks like SF is shooting for "Our mission at Six Flags Magic Mountain is to provide entertainment that appeals to a wide range of tastes and this specially designed wooden coaster will be a proven winner among guests of all ages," said Jay Thomas, Six Flags Magic Mountain's Park President. ...add that El Toro is Intamin, which recently was sued by Six Flags, I dont think anyone should have been expecting an Intamin woodie. Wow this thread is 11 pages already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robaroo723 Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 First off, I'm glad that SFMM decided to team up with GCI on this project. I am a big GCI fan, so I can't wait to get out to SFMM to ride this one. While GCI may not design the most intense coasters, you'd be hard pressed to find someone that didn't have fun on a GCI coaster. As far as the "West Coast El Toro" argument ... I don't know if that's what Magic Mountain needs right now. The park has come a long way in the past few years. They've become more family-friendly, rather than just concentrating on building the biggest and craziest attractions. I think that slapping down a massive, extreme ejector air El Toro clone would sort of counteract the lengths they've been going through to create a more family-friendly atmosphere. So, those of you that want a West Coast El Toro will just have to fly to the armpit of America for now. People complain when they slap a coaster down in a parking lot, and then people complain when they actually make an effort to theme a coaster. Honestly, most of the theming is probably going to be confined to the queue/station area. So, I don't really mind the Terminator theme, because hey, it gives you something to look at while you're standing in line. If there was theming on the coaster itself, chances are you'll be going too fast to pay that much attention to it anyway. Anyway, even I'm excited about this ... and I have the East Coast El Toro in my backyard. Oh, and I'm glad they're not painting this thing. I think that'd be completely tacky. It's not steel, so why paint it silver? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rct3man777 Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 20's style wooden coaster Keep dreaming, buddy...CCIs are NOT 20's style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJEric Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 Of Course SFMM is competing! You DID hear that were trying to close the park a few years back, Yes? But that is not really the point. My point was that Cedar Point has Stand-out Rides. Great Adventure has Stand-Out Rides. With the exception of "X2", There is really nothing that STANDS out at Magic Mountain. ...and I LOVE Magic Mountain. Every Six Flags has a "Bat Man". You can find "Goliath" (in some from or other) in at least 3 other parks. ..and though I Love "Goliath" a lot, does it "compete" with "Nitro" or "Ride of Steel". "Scream" and "Medusa" are identical (save for the Parking Lot Spaces vs. The Greenery), 5 or 6 "Deja Vu's" in many parks and ditto on "Viper". Besides X2, we have little to "Compete" with Millennium Force, or Top Thrill, or Kingda Ka, or Maverick, or The Superman's (Not Escape) that are pretty much ALL on the West Coast. Even the Flying "Superman" is at Great Adventure and "Tatsu" is just a Bigger Version of that. So wishing for a "West Coast El Toro" is not outside of the realm of positive thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 Cant agree with you there. Riddlers Revenge and Tatsu are 2 of the best B&Ms out there and definitley qualify as "Standout" rides. And Tatsu is not just a "bigger version" of SUF, its a far superior coaster. 5 or 6 DejaVu's? Its the only one in the Six Flags system, and its also an awesome ride. Most poeple would agree SFMM has the 2nd best collection of any SF park (arguably the best) so I dont see what your complaining about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robaroo723 Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 Yeah, I can't agree with that either. SFMM has Riddler's Revenge, Tatsu, and Revolution. In fact, those rides were the exact reason why I flew out to CA to go to SFMM. The only coaster that I can think of right off the bat that may be similar to Goliath is Titan at SFOT ... I wouldn't even compare Goliath to Nitro. And, in my opinion, Tatsu and S:UF aren't even comparable. I understand wishful or positive thinking. However, we've known for a while now that this was most likely going to be a family-friendly coaster. Not to mention that, since SFMM was probably your best shot for getting a West Coast El Toro, and we now know they're not getting a West Coast El Toro, I guess I don't see the point in complaining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJEric Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 I really wasn't complaining. I really wasn't. It's just that as much Love as I have for SFMM, and you are right in many respects, Coming from Los Angeles and growing up in this park, I want it to be the best. All of us have different opinions as to what roads the park needs to take, and I could not be happier with the fact that we are getting a new coaster. That is really enough for me. We are all pretty passionate about our beliefs, and in hoping and wanting SFMM to be the best park EVER, and I was just voicing my, obviously un-popular, opinion. ...and with "El Toro"being my favorite Wooden Roller Coaster, I just wish it could be closer to home, and not all the way in New Jersey. But hey, that is what frequent Flier Miles are for...Yes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robaroo723 Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 Trust me, I completely understand that you want SFMM to be the best park in the world. I just felt like we had this exciting announcement, and a lot of people were concentrating on what SFMM isn't getting, rather than what they are getting. Hey, before we got Kingda Ka and El Toro, I felt like we had Nitro and Medusa and that's about it. So I do understand, and don't meant to come off as aggressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coasterbill Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 When was the last time they built a new coaster and nobody complained? Calm down people... I'm sure you'll ride it and love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rct3man777 Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 Oh great another west coast woodie that will be awesome for the first 3 -5 years, then get really rough because southern yellow pine has NO BUSINESS being west of the mississippi, and will dry out causing the track gauge to change ever so slightly. So, bottom line........ ride it within that time period. Yeah, big deal, huh? (nooooot) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brockster Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 Of Course SFMM is competing! You DID hear that were trying to close the park a few years back, Yes? But that is not really the point. My point was that Cedar Point has Stand-out Rides. Great Adventure has Stand-Out Rides. With the exception of "X2", There is really nothing that STANDS out at Magic Mountain. ...and I LOVE Magic Mountain. Every Six Flags has a "Bat Man". You can find "Goliath" (in some from or other) in at least 3 other parks. ..and though I Love "Goliath" a lot, does it "compete" with "Nitro" or "Ride of Steel". "Scream" and "Medusa" are identical (save for the Parking Lot Spaces vs. The Greenery), 5 or 6 "Deja Vu's" in many parks and ditto on "Viper". Besides X2, we have little to "Compete" with Millennium Force, or Top Thrill, or Kingda Ka, or Maverick, or The Superman's (Not Escape) that are pretty much ALL on the West Coast. Even the Flying "Superman" is at Great Adventure and "Tatsu" is just a Bigger Version of that. So wishing for a "West Coast El Toro" is not outside of the realm of positive thinking. I'll have to agree with Papas and robaroo. SFMM is the only SF park, correct me if I'm wrong, with a DeJa Vu model now. Additionally, no other Goliath has the signature helix the mountain's Goliath does (Titan doesn't count because of its name. ) And although Superman the Escape may not compete directly with TTD, I enjoy the ride because of the floating sensation and think it's quite unique. And regarding Viper, I actually think it's a signature ride at the mountain and it is also unique. In fact, the only coasters at the park that I think aren't "stand-out"ish is Batman and Scream. Also, Tatsu is no where near a bigger version of the Superman clones. It's a totally different concept and ride experience. Anyways, when I first watched the video I have to admit I was just a tad disappointed at the length of the coaster. However, after Robb posted the Kentucky Rumbler POV I changed by mind because it's a great woodie. The theming, although it is weird, will surely grow on us. Additionally, I think it's better than nothing and will be a great "add on" standing in the long queue. Also, I love the idea of some sort of audio system-- that would be awesome. All in all I think this is a great addition to the park and a giant step in the right direction for the new Magic Mountain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbalvey Posted October 22, 2008 Author Share Posted October 22, 2008 Of Course SFMM is competing! You DID hear that were trying to close the park a few years back, Yes? But that is not really the point. My point was that Cedar Point has Stand-out Rides. Great Adventure has Stand-Out Rides. With the exception of "X2", There is really nothing that STANDS out at Magic Mountain. ...and I LOVE Magic Mountain. Every Six Flags has a "Bat Man". You can find "Goliath" (in some from or other) in at least 3 other parks. ..and though I Love "Goliath" a lot, does it "compete" with "Nitro" or "Ride of Steel". "Scream" and "Medusa" are identical (save for the Parking Lot Spaces vs. The Greenery), 5 or 6 "Deja Vu's" in many parks and ditto on "Viper". Besides X2, we have little to "Compete" with Millennium Force, or Top Thrill, or Kingda Ka, or Maverick, or The Superman's (Not Escape) that are pretty much ALL on the West Coast. Even the Flying "Superman" is at Great Adventure and "Tatsu" is just a Bigger Version of that. So wishing for a "West Coast El Toro" is not outside of the realm of positive thinking. Yeah, this argument doesn't make much sense to me. Both Cedar Point and Great Adventure also have rides where you can find similar versions if not clones at other parks as well as a few unique attractions. I think SFMM has a very fair collection of "Stand Out" coasters for the GP if you consider X2, Tatsu, Riddler's, Goliath, Viper, and even Batman and Scream are all very solid rides. While I agree that SFMM does lack many "Top Ten" coaster that we seasoned enthusaists may rank highly, but then again so does Cedar Point, IMO. And aside from El Toro, there isn't much at Great Adventure that I would rank any higher than the equivalent coaster at Cedar Point or SFMM. I personally think that all three parks are fairly equal when it comes to their coaster line up. --Robb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixflagsguy5 Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 First there is backseat driving, then backseat moderating, now backseat theme park design! I'm picturing Tim Burkhart LMAO looking at that! --Robb This is how us engineers design things nowadays Terminator's a nasty piece of doggie doodoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 Of Course SFMM is competing! You DID hear that were trying to close the park a few years back, Yes? They are not actually competing on an attendance level with Cedar Point or any east coast Six Flags parks, though. A tiny tiny tiny percentage of people ever make the choice of either going to SFMM or Cedar Point. Most of SFMM's business comes from LA area residents who have probably never even heard of Cedar Point. To make the assumption they are competing for the same dollars as parks west of the Mississippi is untrue. They are competing with Knotts, Universal, and even Disney, Legoland, and Sea World to a certain extent. As for the whole park closing, that was an idea that was floated out there that was obviously far from actually happening. The synthesis of the idea WAS however related to the Six Flags corporation overspending on rides to compete in the fake/purely marketing driven quest to have "the most coasters", which came at the cost of park upkeep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJEric Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 No, It's all good, and I agree with you that many people get all complain-y whenever a new coaster is announced. I would never want to appear like I was coming off that way. As long as we are getting a new coaster, I am happy. I am just jealous, I guess. I love SFMM so much that I got a job there. ...and every coaster that you mentioned, I ride ALL THE TIME. I just wish I could ride Toro, Kingda, Nitro & MF all the time too. When you get to SFMM next Summer to ride "Terminator", Stop in for a Funnel Cake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRapidsNerd Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 Well, so much for a Flying Turns themed to a Whale Portal... Fooey. EDIT (Ears perk up) Who said funnel cake? Yum! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Thrill Dragster Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 ^ That ride is themed to a giant lawn ornament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socalMAN123 Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 12 pages of people complaining...already? I really hope this doesn't become another topic based on something rediculous like complaining that the ride isn't "a coaster enthusiast's dream". Watch, this is gonna become like the locker "discussion" in the SFMM Updates thread. Anywho, I think this ride looks great! Exactly what SFMM needs, a family coaster. And who cares if the Terminator theme doesn't make sense, at least it's a theme! I am quite excited for this project. It looks really cool. ---Brent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itnotfair Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 I rode my first GCI, Thunderhead, this summer, and I am so excited for this coaster. Just like the Dollywood coaster, once this ride gets going, it never lets up! I was surprised to see a POV already, and it looks awesome. I love intense rides as much as the next guy, but there's nothing wrong with sacrificing some intensity for family enjoyment. Its not as if the park is lacking in the thrill department. It is lacking in the GCI woodie department. Until now. The theme is negligible. Its a GCI people, be happy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 You're totally right, I've never really paid attention to their track record so it was just me being stuck in the 2003-2005 era of "Bet I can build a coaster bigger, taller and faster than yours"... I kinda miss those days I'm actually very glad that the most recent wave of "coaster wars" are over, at least for now. IMO it's much better to have small to medium sized rides that are actually solid, fun, and eventful layouts like this ride, rather than rides that are only big for the sake of being big and it ends up hurting the ride quality (Son Of Beast is a good example, but there are many). Again, as I said in my earlier post, I think if you guys just give it a chance once it opens you'll be very surprised. I remember riding Rumbler for the first few times and being completely blown away.....I knew it looked fun but no where near to the degree that it was (and it was just that, not intense, but FUN). So seriously, just stop thinking about what it could be and give it a chance, I think you'll be really happy with it if Rumbler is anything to go by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrillgeek Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 Who cares about the name and theme as long as it's a brand new layout I'm cool with it! Also the comments about the 1st drop being twisty and lift hill being really steep are premature. Those are only concept pictures. Anyway I can't wait till construction starts to really pick up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwinsGP Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 ^ I just care that they actually stick to the theme and do more than erect a tool shed for a station. Otherwise, they coulda just called it The Garden Hoe Experience or The Lawnmower Man (anyone else see that movie?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeoplemoverMatt Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 I'm betting Jay Thomas & Tim Burkhart are looking at 13 pages of these sort of complaints from the hardcore enthusiasts as nothing but a good thing. All these complaints do is tell them that they've successfully hit a middle ground away from the giant thrills and have a good chance at hitting the family-friendliness area with an exciting 'medium-level' ride. But then I sort of have to wonder how a Terminator theme is going to help with the family-friendliness aspect. Terminator films aren't exactly what I'd call 'family entertainment' even though I regularly see kids in the T2:3D Universal attraction. I guess that should tell me what I need to know about that, but I still wonder... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birds of fire Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 WHEN IS SFMM GOING TO DO A INTAMIN STORM RUNNER/MAVERICK HYBRID ?? SOMETHING REALLY BIG !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downunder Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 Good point, who cares what it's called as long as it's a great coaster. They could called this the Hannah Montana coaster and I'd still want to ride it. If it's as good or better than Kentucky Rumbler, then it's going to be a blast. Damn, the TPR west coast trip got a whole lot more attractive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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