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Everyone has to remember SFNE was suppose to get Deja VU from magic mountain with new trains from the beginning. But I'm pretty sure something got delayed and Goliath opened with the old trains.
Because the new trains gave problems. That's pretty much when they should have scrapped the trains.

 

The park did say during the live chat on August 28th that they will work on the trains during the off-season.

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I suppose part of the reason that my ride was SO bad was that I was in the last row, as luck would have it.

Maybe I'll try another row next season...

 

That's the problem though, you can't choose your seat... and the first few rows (the decent ones) always fill with Flash Pass riders so if you're in the regular line you're in for a beating.

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^^ Agreed! Out of all of the coasters I've ridden, Goliath is definitely the most painful to me. When I rode it, I hit my back against the seat so hard, I wasn't sure I was even going to be able to walk off the ride without assistance. As much as I enjoyed the ride (sans pain), I have no plans to ride it again until something is done to that train.

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I have been following the great train debacle with interest this season. It seems the main problem is with lateral movement of the frame, washboarding, that is causing discomfort? I am surprised this turned out to be such a problem. I know Premier was working on another company's steel, but they have plenty of experience. I wonder if there is anything to really do besides completely re-working them? Did the Deja Vu trains have the spring-loaded bogies that Vekoma finally started adding to SLCs? I seem to remember that little gap between wheel and track. I am also a little concerned Six Flags may not have been super careful with the old train when they got the new one working. Is it even still available to use?

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It so unfortunate because the ride looks so awesome and is almost beckoning people to come ride it. Yet, the ride is so painful that I have no intent on ever riding it again unless they do something with improving the ride experience. SFNE seemed to have been trying to improve the capacity of the ride with these trains as the main goal but ended up detracting from the ride experience. If anything they achieved their goal, because they have one less person (me) who is anxious to re-ride it.

 

It felt like the train was shifting left and right so rapidly... it didn't feel as if the the side wheels or the wheels that ride on the under-side were in constant contact with the track. There was some violent shifting.. absolutely jarring. The gentlemen who was a single rider who rode next to me and my group told us to keep our head forward and off the headrest and to hold onto(hug) the harness as hard as we could, if we didn't want to get beat up. I thought I was on Hades for a moment. Speaking of Hades, that is only other coaster (my last ride was in 2012) where it looks awesome, yet it was so painful.

 

Rides that are so appealing like Goliath and Hades are full of so much potential.... so it's disappointing when they yield as sub-par experience.

 

Apparently Hades 360 has been full re-tracked for this season and is doing better... hopefully, SFNE will address this issue for one of their most popular coasters.

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SFNE seemed to have been trying to improve the capacity of the ride with these trains as the main goal but ended up detracting from the ride experience.

 

That's what they keep saying but this train has exactly the same amount of seats as the old train. It has one less belt but does that really make that big of a difference? It doesn't seem like it when you're waiting in line for it.

 

hopefully, SFNE will address this issue for one of their most popular coasters.

 

Did you forget what park you we're talking about here?

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SFNE seemed to have been trying to improve the capacity of the ride with these trains as the main goal but ended up detracting from the ride experience.

 

That's what they keep saying but this train has exactly the same amount of seats as the old train. It has one less belt but does that really make that big of a difference? It doesn't seem like it when you're waiting in line for it.

 

hopefully, SFNE will address this issue for one of their most popular coasters.

 

Did you forget what park you we're talking about here?

People got confused because of the seats. The loading process does go faster without the winged seats.

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As far as I can tell, the reason for Goliath's roughness lies in the train design. The rolling stock looks ill-equipped to handle any lateral or axial rotation, leaving that to the actual seat dampers.
Try riding in an odd numbered row. IE: 1,3,5 you will be amazed at the difference in how smooth the coaster is compared to even numbered rows IE: 2,4,6. It has to do with how the suspension of the trains work.
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Also, why didn't they try consulting B&M about some new trains. They managed to pull it off for Steel Dragon 2000.

 

Steel Dragon was perfectly fine running ride when B&M came in and redid the trains, there was basically no risk involved. The GIB have a horrible track record and Vekoma could barely make them work, I don't think B&M would have wanted to touch it with a stick if asked.

 

That doesn't mean they have to manufacture them in Switzerland. If I'm not mistakes they have a plant in Ohio.

 

B&M manufactures all their trains in France.

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Also, why didn't they try consulting B&M about some new trains. They managed to pull it off for Steel Dragon 2000.

 

Steel Dragon was perfectly fine running ride when B&M came in and redid the trains, there was basically no risk involved. The GIB have a horrible track record and Vekoma could barely make them work, I don't think B&M would have wanted to touch it with a stick if asked.

 

False.. the track is as smooth as a B&M, or was with the old trains. The new trains the issue is that the seats are attached directly between the wheels instead of between them like before.

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False.. the track is as smooth as a B&M, or was with the old trains. The new trains the issue is that the seats are attached directly between the wheels instead of between them like before.

 

Why are you quoting me? How does you post have anything to do with mine?

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By the way, I have noticed that in the past couple of years, Intamin has not opened a new hyper or giga coaster. To me, this upsetting due to the fact that I'm a big time Intamin fan-boy. I am just wondering why this is. They make great coasters that win awards (and not to mention break records). Also, they are generally pretty smooth and offer a fantastic ride.

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By the way, I have noticed that in the past couple of years, Intamin has not opened a new hyper or giga coaster. To me, this upsetting due to the fact that I'm a big time Intamin fan-boy. I am just wondering why this is. They make great coasters that win awards (and not to mention break records). Also, they are generally pretty smooth and offer a fantastic ride.

 

It's the fact that they are maintenance night-mares for parks. I like Intamin the most. I think the parks would just have a reliable B&M over a white-knuckled Intamin.

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By the way, I have noticed that in the past couple of years, Intamin has not opened a new hyper or giga coaster. To me, this upsetting due to the fact that I'm a big time Intamin fan-boy. I am just wondering why this is. They make great coasters that win awards (and not to mention break records). Also, they are generally pretty smooth and offer a fantastic ride.

 

Skyrush was two years ago, therefore it falls into the couple (2-3) years ago category.

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