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I'm waiting for RMC to start doing custom coasters instead of renovations. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE LOVE LOVE their renovation coasters, but I'd love to see how they tackle an RMC Original. Perhaps they'll add a vertical loop in a coaster one day? I'm sure they can do it & I'd love for them to do it.

Didn't I read somewhere though Cyclone was tearing itself apart really since its opening? I would be more surprised if it wasn't getting RMC'd, because although its previous iteration was a great ride, seeing it reprofiled and then retracked doesn't look good from an operating standpoint.

 

Needless to say I am stoked about WC. The name is great too; I'm glad they didn't go with something tornado related.

 

As for loops, I'd love to see one on a wooden coaster again because visually they look stunning (on all coasters), but if the ride experience isn't worth it, then not putting them on is a wise decision.

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^Agreed. Zero-G rolls and barrel rolls are better. I could understand them wanting to keep it safe by staying away from the vertical loop.

I really don't see a problem with loops. maybe there's some sort of design issue I'm overlooking, but I too think a loop on an RMC would be fantastic if it could be done. They've done a dive loop, so ireally don't see why they couldn't do a full vertical one.

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^Agreed. Zero-G rolls and barrel rolls are better. I could understand them wanting to keep it safe by staying away from the vertical loop.

I really don't see a problem with loops. maybe there's some sort of design issue I'm overlooking, but I too think a loop on an RMC would be fantastic if it could be done. They've done a dive loop, so ireally don't see why they couldn't do a full vertical one.

I'm not an engineer or a coaster designer of course, but vertical loops create much higher positive g forces than barrel rolls and zero g rolls (by name). Goliaths dive loop is lower g because if the way it transitions to be inverted. Look, a vertical loop may be cool, but all I'm saying is that Alan Schikle has directly stated that any high g maneuvers will not be seen on any of RMC coasters.

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I still can't get over how ugly an all wood loop would look.

 

..IMO, yes and no on that, looking at how awesome Goliaths' dive loop is, a complete wood loop Id imagine would look pretty sexy. IF they were to design to were it was like entering a hill, than stalling out at the top, like the zero g stalls, than I could see them doing that. Since the G's on the way down couldnt be any greater than the dive loop. Also, I would love to see RMC completely roll out/finish their zero g stalls, like a real zero g roll, not the zero g barrel roll..

 

And as stated a page before I believe, a complete ground up hybrid would be pretty awesome to see, and to see RMC push their hybrids a LOT further than just "copying" elements from the topper track coasters, which Im not complaing about. I just feel that RMC could be capable of doing more intense elements with the I-box vs the topper track. ONE DAY IT WILL HAPPEN!!

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I still can't get over how ugly an all wood loop would look.

 

An all-wood loop would probably be ugly. But they could support a loop with a steel lattice like they did with Goliath's lift hill and stall. And loops aren't necessarily high-g maneuvers. If they can do a low-g dive loop, then they could probably do a low-g loop.

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^Agreed. Zero-G rolls and barrel rolls are better. I could understand them wanting to keep it safe by staying away from the vertical loop.

I really don't see a problem with loops. maybe there's some sort of design issue I'm overlooking, but I too think a loop on an RMC would be fantastic if it could be done. They've done a dive loop, so ireally don't see why they couldn't do a full vertical one.

I'm not an engineer or a coaster designer of course, but vertical loops create much higher positive g forces than barrel rolls and zero g rolls (by name). Goliaths dive loop is lower g because if the way it transitions to be inverted. Look, a vertical loop may be cool, but all I'm saying is that Alan Schikle has directly stated that any high g maneuvers will not be seen on any of RMC coasters.

 

Yes. I believe it was at IAPPA a few years ago when he said that he didn't want to make the elements so intense that anyone would question riding, but make the elements look scary (barrel rolls with wood structure, etc.), and I honestly think that's the right direction. I mean, how fun would a vertical loop be? I would prefer a stall or crazy Zero - G like they are doing now than one of the first upside-down maneuvers created --the vertical loop. I wouldn't be opposed to it if they ended up doing one though.

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I still can't get over the fact that, although RMC said they wouldn't do any high G Maneuvers, many people still regard their rides as some of the best. Then again, I haven't rode an RMC before, so I GUESS can't judge, butstill.

 

Maybe it's just me... I know I like my rides pretty intense.

 

Not trying to troll/start a flame war here, just genuinely curious.

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I still can't get over the fact that, although RMC said they wouldn't do any high G Maneuvers, many people still regard their rides as some of the best. Then again, I haven't rode an RMC before, so I GUESS can't judge, butstill.

 

Maybe it's just me... I know I like my rides pretty intense.

 

Not trying to troll/start a flame war here, just genuinely curious.

 

Don't worry, their rides are reportedly very intense. I believe the point of the "no high g inversions", assuming it's true, is you're limited in how strongly you can support a track with wood when the train is running underneath it. You need a lot of bracing if the train's going to be pushing up hard on the track from below, and obviously the support can't come from directly beneath it. (Notice how on steel coasters, the individual support beams are all much thicker.) As long as you're not talking about an inversion, their elements can be as high G as they want.

 

Also, count me among those who wouldn't be upset if RMC never attempted a vertical loop. I mean, do we SERIOUSLY need more of those things???

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I still can't get over the fact that, although RMC said they wouldn't do any high G Maneuvers, many people still regard their rides as some of the best. Then again, I haven't rode an RMC before, so I GUESS can't judge, butstill.

 

Maybe it's just me... I know I like my rides pretty intense.

 

Not trying to troll/start a flame war here, just genuinely curious.

Outlaw Run is by far the most intense coaster I've ridden. I've probably ridden rides with more positive-G's, but Outlaw Run does not let up from start to finish.

 

I believe what Alan Schilke said was that when you have a really high-G inversion on a ride, it pretty much controls how intense the ride is.

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I still can't get over the fact that, although RMC said they wouldn't do any high G Maneuvers, many people still regard their rides as some of the best. Then again, I haven't rode an RMC before, so I GUESS can't judge, butstill.

 

Maybe it's just me... I know I like my rides pretty intense.

 

Not trying to troll/start a flame war here, just genuinely curious.

 

Don't worry, their rides are reportedly very intense. I believe the point of the "no high g inversions", assuming it's true, is you're limited in how strongly you can support a track with wood when the train is running underneath it. You need a lot of bracing if the train's going to be pushing up hard on the track from below, and obviously the support can't come from directly beneath it. (Notice how on steel coasters, the individual support beams are all much thicker.) As long as you're not talking about an inversion, their elements can be as high G as they want.

Think both you and Woodie warrior have great points. I have a feeling RMC's first all steel coaster will be even more intense... Hell, just look at LR (Didn't Alan have a hand in designing that one?).

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