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p. 792 - Camp Cedar campground to open in 2021!

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13 hours ago, Mike240SX said:

That said, based on my experiences at both CP and KI, the rides departments are not where they are having staffing problems...it's food service.  Which, by the way, Six Flags is also suffering horribly with.

So what has been the excuse every year prior to this one?

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1 hour ago, Comeagain? said:

I have been the one person running a coaster by themselves. It's not easy, but definitely doable on an early season weekday at a park.

Same. And the coaster had foot pedals for the restraints that were on the opposite side of the train as the control panel. In my time there we also had several flat rides where we required two operators when I started but over time they made modifications to the rides/queues so they could be operated by a single person. 

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Had a wonderful day yesterday at the park - much better than I had anticipated considering the weather forecast. It rained off and on, but nothing closed due to weather as far as I could tell and everything was full or near full capacity despite the nonexistent crowds. A stark contrast to what would have happened at CP given the same conditions. Not sure why two parks owned by the same chain in the same state would have such wildly different rain policies. At one point Orion was running in a downpour, cranking out all three trains, which was awesome to see. Orion was awesome  - tons of fun and butter smooth. That speed hill was the highlight for me - darn near ejector! Can’t wait to return when Vortex’s replacement opens, whatever and whenever that may be.  

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I don't think "kids today" are any more or less motivated than teens have always been. They are just being given the opportunity to not work way more than before. It is partly because the system encourages helicopter parenting. My last 10 years as a teacher I had to notify parents of every single bad grade a student had, never giving them a chance to problem solve and fix the situation on their own and colleges no longer value what they consider menial work and instead want to see a million clubs and internships on that application. But, agreed, this is off topic and going down an unsolvable rabbit hole.

SFSTL is still very understaffed. Joel has been working open to close most days and last week had to work two kid's rides at once. He had a sign to post at one ride stating ride operator would return shortly, would run a couple cycles at the other ride, and then switch. I think the reason food service has been a problem for so long is that it is essentially a job at a fast food restaurant that for most people is way further away from their house than a normal fast food restaurant. The parks have been counting on the benefits of free entry and the novelty of being at the park to have an edge over McDonald's and the like but that just isn't cutting it.  

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19 hours ago, ytterbiumanalyst said:

I've seen one person run Thunderation solo, checking every restraint then running up to the control panel. They had someone else come in every so often to give the main op a bathroom break. It can be done.

Of course! Sounds dreadful and huge kudos to that person but what a nightmare that is. Better for the park to do what they can to try and lure more people to work. Which is also why I've taken the chance when I can to drop a thanks to the ops, (esp for Coastermania since that's so long after normal close for now) I do appreciate those who are here busting it for us. Esp at KI where the ops were indeed still busting their asses. I wonder if its like a KI pride thing, never seen any CF or SF (or a few others for that matter) park that over time, even on a not crowded weekday, move to try to move people like they do. 

Last thing I'll say on the matter is we have a cult of work, one that is deep seeded so I get the knee jerk, but we work to live not live to work (least that's how I am) and we will bust ourselves....but not just for the sake of it. That's why it's work, not charity and they're employers not overlords. I don't chagrin a single person who isn't coming back yet....esp with all the horror stories I hear about people at parks and things I've seen, can't blame anyone who may be thinking ya know **** this no, I'm not doing it. But I'm supremely grateful for those who are here working for us to enjoy some rides. Truly I am. For that, I'll be done with the matter as well. 

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After spending two days at CP (Sunday and Monday of this week... with Monday being HORRID with crowds and rides not operating, and staffing issues), we drove to Mason for a Tuesday visit to K.I.  our first ever. 

Having PTSD from previous days, seeing amazing forecast, and seeing early car lines trying to get in before opening... we panicked and purchased FL+.

 

BEST DECISION EVER.  We've never been "pay extra to skip the line people" but outside of drop tower, we NEVER waited more than 10 minutes. Got 24 coaster rides in. Never checked online for times. Grabbed our funpix after every ride. Ate a nice off-peak lunch at Miami River by diamond back. Had some nice beer. And closed down the park. 

The ops were SPECTACULAR. The rides were consistently running. The crowd was fun and engaged. It was our family's best amusement park experience of all time. 

 

We'll be back!

 

 

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43 minutes ago, MrFurious said:

After spending two days at CP (Sunday and Monday of this week... with Monday being HORRID with crowds and rides not operating, and staffing issues), we drove to Mason for a Tuesday visit to K.I.  our first ever. 

Having PTSD from previous days, seeing amazing forecast, and seeing early car lines trying to get in before opening... we panicked and purchased FL+.

 

BEST DECISION EVER.  We've never been "pay extra to skip the line people" but outside of drop tower, we NEVER waited more than 10 minutes. Got 24 coaster rides in. Never checked online for times. Grabbed our funpix after every ride. Ate a nice off-peak lunch at Miami River by diamond back. Had some nice beer. And closed down the park. 

The ops were SPECTACULAR. The rides were consistently running. The crowd was fun and engaged. It was our family's best amusement park experience of all time. 

 

We'll be back!

 

 

KI is probably the best CF park for FL+, you never wait more than 5-10 minutes and the lines drop you right into the stations.  We had a similar experience back in October, and that was with the park still doing social distancing on the coasters.  

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First time this year there I've visited and there's not a massive line of cars to get in. Will today finally be a normal weekday experience?!

 

Edit: they do still play the pledge of allegiance over the speakers before park opening haha does any other park do this?

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Orion front row vs back row is a different experience, highly recommend checking out both rows!

Banshee is running like it wants to be your favorite invert today, wow it's intense today! Saw spots multiple times and rode 3x in 30 minutes. 

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14 minutes ago, PKI Jizzman said:

Orion front row vs back row is a different experience, highly recommend checking out both rows!

Banshee is running like it wants to be your favorite invert today, wow it's intense today! Saw spots multiple times and rode 3x in 30 minutes. 

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so I know from your input, Diamondback row 2 is the magic row.

and I'm sure I'll check out Orion in multiple rows. . but since my 1st ever visit to KI is coming up in 3 weeks. . any other seat / placement recommendations for any other rides at KI?

I trust your judgement, so asking :)

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Racer: front or back car middle row

Banshee: front for the views, back right for the airtime on the first drop and intense gs

Flight of Fear: front car, I haven't done the back in a while since it can be rough 

Mystic Timbers: try the front! It's great anywhere, it's that fast

Orion: try front and back, but it's relentless speed in every row.

Diamondback: Row 2 to hang off the wing seats, very back row to reach back and touch the water spout. Row 10 is a favorite of mine too for a mix of floater + pull out of your seat since it's towards the back

Bat: front is cool and back is great as well, has a nice airtime pop!

Adventure Express: good anywhere 

Italian Stunt Copyright Coaster: back? It's been ages since I rode it

Invertigo I haven't been on in ages... I'll be there to help escort you around the park one of the days for sure! Probably Friday.

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^ cool!

I'll be hanging with @teacherkimand her son Joel all day too. . .would love to meet up again.

Are you attending Coasterstock, or just gonna be there one of the days?   (it's 7/9-7/10)

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No offense, @tndank, but anyone not recommending the very front, let alone the back car, for Beast is just a glutton for punishment.  Not sure how old you are, but bodies with some years on them can't handle it.  Here's my overall recommendations for @bert425:

Adventure Express - Row 2 or 5.
Backlot - Back row.
Banshee - Back row.  Dem forces.
Bat - Back row.
Beast - Front row.  Nowhere else.  Especially at night.
Diamondback - Row 2.  Do not get stapled.
Flight of Fear - Back row.
Flying Ace Aerial Chase - Back row.
Invertigo - Don't.  If you must, somewhere in the middle.
Mystic Timbers - Do two rides, Front and Back rows.  They're both awesome but back holds a slight edge for me.
Orion - Back row.  Don't get stapled. Typically I'm a front row guy on coasters based on speed, and don't get me wrong, it's good here, but that first and second drops in the back....
Racer - Row 1 or 2.  It's a lot smoother now, but you still want that non-wheel seat if you're not in the front.
Woodstock Express - Back row or not at all.
 

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45 and I still love row 17. Give or take a row and I agree it can be a tough ride.  Give it a try next time. It's not a wheel seat.  I hop on there several times each visit.

 

 

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5 hours ago, tndank said:

Beast 17.

Front row on any giga is a ton of fun.  And most hypers, too.

 

My opinion is you lose some of the drop in the front row while you wait for the rest of the train to crest. Particularly on the Intamins ive been on. Although i found Apollo's Chariot to be better in the front. Could be because of the fake first drop.

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I always thought that Banshee rode like absolute ass in the back of the train.

I don’t care about “B&M rattle”, this isn’t that, this is like riding on a jackhammer with square wheels and it’s been like that since opening year. I always ride it in the front. Those trains are terrible and that’s weird because old inverts trains were absolute perfection. Why would anyone change them?

Other than that I don’t really have strong preferences on anything in that park.

Diamondback is great in the back, but it’s fun up front too so try both. Same for Orion and Mystic. 

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10 hours ago, PKI Jizzman said:

First time this year there I've visited and there's not a massive line of cars to get in. Will today finally be a normal weekday experience?!

 

Edit: they do still play the pledge of allegiance over the speakers before park opening haha does any other park do this?

But do they then still play the Phineas and Furb theme song after the National Anthem. It's hilarious to see a bunch of kids (and probably plenty of teachers in disguise) yelling out "it's 104 days of summer vacation......."

 

I can't remember if they did it last summer, everything being not quite right and all. Look forward to meeting you, we will be hanging with Bert all day. It's my fault he ended up signing up for Coasterstock, he he.

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^^ I agree that Banshee can be a little shaky in the back.  Not unbearable, but I prefer towards the front.

It looks like the advice on row selections so far has been pretty thorough, but a couple of personal opinions I'll add:

  • Orion is great anywhere, but I like riding on the far left side if possible, since it's fun to lean outward and face straight down during the wave turn.
  • I prefer the front row of the cars on Bat since I'm a little taller, and the front provides extra space for my knees.
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On 6/18/2021 at 2:40 AM, prozach626 said:

 

Obesity.

Not obese by any stretch but I definitely prefer the vest restraints...no headbanging whatsoever.

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