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PS: Being put on the Kings Island season pass promo image is the “Sports Illustrated cover curse” of the theme park world.

 

I think you mean Madden curse.

 

That kind of dates you! (And by extension, coasterbill and I!) Before there was a Madden Curse, there was the Sports Illustrated Cover Curse!

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Vortex must have been in need of some seriously expensive maintenance, otherwise the removal at this time makes no sense to me. The ride pushes through close to 1600 people per hour, with only 3 operators! Firehawk struggled to do half that with, what?, 13 ops. Plus, I don't see KI going major coaster again until 2023, at the earliest.

 

I am certainly in the minority, but I actually quite enjoy Vortex. It is without a doubt the best pre-Schilke Arrow looper.

 

Word certainly got out quickly. Before dusk, Vortex had a longer line than Beast!

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Hey, you can never really accurately predict, when a coaster is

well beyond it's sustainability...and safety, yes? No? Well, maybe you can, but sometimes you really can't do it. And 30+ years, is pretty good years for a steel coaster, too.

 

My once and only times to ride it, was in May 1995, after attending a con in Chicago. Loved it.

 

There's also a little corner of one of the walls in one of the Guest Rooms, that has a few of my actually photographed coasters, one of which I enlarged because I loved it so much...

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My shot of Vortex, from The Tower.

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My Corkscrew shot, which had another train up the lift hill. I really liked this shot I took.

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A shame. When I rode in in 2017, it was plenty smooth and didn't have any of the traditional arrow headbanging like I'd get on something like GASM at SFGAdv. Has it really gotten that bad in two years?

For sure, on July 6th 2017 it had frequent breakdowns over the day and was rough as hell in the front row. Head banging galore.

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One of the breakdowns. Two trains had to be evacuated. Pretty interesting to see. It was done for the day afterwards.

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You know, being right on the Coney midway and having that classic design feel to it, I think the station would be a nice venue to be converted into an in-park history museum. They could even leave that small fixed part of Vortex track that leads into the "shed" part in place alongside the old Bat footer right next to it. It would fit right in with how they've paid homage to past rides in the Antique Autos theming.

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It's a decent ride as far as Arrow loopers go. Suffers from the same issues as others designed the same way. In my opinion the only thing it really needed was fresh trains and a paint job. But I only get to ride it 2 or 3x a year so more seasoned riders may disagree.

 

My guess is it came down to not wanting to invest more into the ride. They can do a lot with the space.

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It's a decent ride as far as Arrow loopers go. Suffers from the same issues as others designed the same way. In my opinion the only thing it really needed was fresh trains and a paint job.

To fix some of these early Arrows, it seems like someone would need to take some math and a hammer to the track and round out some of the more coat hanger-style transitions they're known for. Some of the old Arrow designs are really cool and it'd be interesting to see a resurgence of old layouts done in a more modern / smooth way. I'm not really a big fan of RMC's in-house designs, but it'd be cool to see how a layout like Vortex or Viper might work as single-rail raptor track (or whatever they're called). (Knowing RMC, though, they'd tie the track up in knots or invert the entire lift hill to ensure requisite discomfort and thigh bruising.)

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I rode Vortex for first time last year and I didn’t think it was that bad for a Arrow mega looper. I’ve always found it interesting that the last inversion on Vortex was the batwing and not the double corkscrew. Honestly I think Anaconda was worse. Other those two I’ve only ridden one other Arrow mega looper and that was Shockwave in its final year if operation so 17 years ago I think.

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To fix some of these early Arrows, it seems like someone would need to take some math and a hammer to the track and round out some of the more coat hanger-style transitions they're known for. Some of the old Arrow designs are really cool and it'd be interesting to see a resurgence of old layouts done in a more modern / smooth way.

 

That was due to the engineering at that time. Loch Ness, Vortex, Steel Phantom, Anaconda, etc. They all had that Arrow quirkiness with flow, transitions, trains and restraints. By today's standards it's all antiquated technology and engineering.

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I'm an Arrow fan- I'd love for parks to keep them around as long as possible. They can't, I know. I hate to see Vortex go, it's a classic, it's a big part of KI, it's picturesque, and it's a coaster I've known about since before the coaster bug bit me (thanks, RL Stine). That said, it's time was limited, and it wasn't the most pleasant ride ever- and I'm a huge B&M Standup fan, so, do the math... It'll suck much more when Anaconda gets the axe.

 

I've been playing calendar twister in an attempt to get another trip out to CP in the limited time left this fall, since I've only gotten the chance to use my Platinum Pass once this season. With this news, I'm thinking about calling an audible and heading to KI instead, even though I'll be there at some point in 2020 for the new Giga.

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After riding on the new-generation Vekoma trains with the vest restraints, I feel that every Arrow looper needs these desperately. I get that roughness complaints probably didn't lead to Vortex's demise, but yeah...

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Count me in with the Arrow fans who will be sad to see Vortex go. I understand the decision to remove it and we all know a 30+ year old Arrow that tosses you around will never win against any contemporary, modern coaster.

 

The first and only times I rode Vortex was back in 87 or 88 when it was virtually new. It really is too bad there isn't some economical way for the parks to fix the flaws in these old beasts but I am sure the cost of doing that versus building something entirely new doesn't make sense.

 

Just booked my travel out to KI for the first time in a long time to get a last ride.

 

Get your rides in on these old Arrows folks. Love them or hate them, they are only going to continue to disappear and probably at a faster rate than anyone thinks.

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You know, being right on the Coney midway and having that classic design feel to it, I think the station would be a nice venue to be converted into an in-park history museum. They could even leave that small fixed part of Vortex track that leads into the "shed" part in place alongside the old Bat footer right next to it. It would fit right in with how they've paid homage to past rides in the Antique Autos theming.

KI will have to open the museum in 2021 so it won't take the attention away from the opening of Orion... The kids are going to love it.

 

Love them or hate them, they are only going to continue to disappear and probably at a faster rate than anyone thinks.

Except for Ninja. That ffcking pile of suck will probably be there until the end of time, knowing SFSTL.

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It will be interesting to see if they'll be dismantling Vortex immediately or if it will stick around until they know what to do with that spot (if they don't know already).

It would be a funny plot twist if it would stick around for some time until there's a RMC like company using the footers and supports, put new track on them and get the ride some life again.

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It will be interesting to see if they'll be dismantling Vortex immediately or if it will stick around until they know what to do with that spot (if they don't know already)

 

Probably going to do the same with what they did with Firehawk. Once the ride closes for good no work might happen until after Winterfest closes. None the less they could end up stripping the mechanical and electrical hardware before and during Winterfest and everything but I dont know how they do it all.

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That moment when KI gets rid of Vortex but KD gets rid of Volcano and not Anaconda.

 

Interestingly enough Screamscape actually thinks Anaconda’s removal is on its way. But he doesn’t think it will happen until Volcan is replaced.

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While it wouldn't be even slightly surprising if Anaconda is removed within the next few years, I don't know why anyone pays any attention to Screamscape rumors.

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^I mean they did predict X-Flight at SFGAm by about 10 years

 

It would be cool if they kept some of those old arrow support towers and did an RMC iron horse layout using those. Don't know if it's actually possible, but would be cool.

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That moment when KI gets rid of Vortex but KD gets rid of Volcano and not Anaconda.

 

Interestingly enough Screamscape actually thinks Anaconda’s removal is on its way. But he doesn’t think it will happen until Volcan is replaced.

 

Lets hope so. Anaconda is worse than Vortex IMO, at least Vortex is intense Anaconda is boring.

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