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p. 792 - Camp Cedar campground to open in 2021!

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I went to KI Haunt on Friday. Check out my photo TR!

 

Also, I took a few pics of Orion footers from the Field of Screams queue. Not much to see, but here you go.

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Ooo... dirt

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Not too much to see here

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For all your footer fetish needs

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OOOOOooooo

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This view will change dramatically by next year!

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Just throwing it out there as it happens with each and every B&M installation... Track work will be done by Jan/Feb like clockwork and yet everyone will comment on how quickly the park got it done, lol.

 

Don't forget the past year of land clearing and foundation work that is the big time consumer over the relatively quick assembly of the ride itself.

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I will admit... the only thing I dislike about this addition is how much they “clear cut” for it. . . I wish it would have been more Beast like.... where it runs through/over the trees.

 

Instead of the “remove any and all trees within 50ft of the blueprint” approach.

 

It’s like Time Traveler at SDC. Amazing ride, however... the clear cutting around the ride makes it stand out like a sore thumb when compared to the other attractions like Thunderation, Powder Keg, and Outlaw Run.

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I will admit... the only thing I dislike about this addition is how much they “clear cut” for it. . . I wish it would have been more Beast like.... where it runs through/over the trees.

 

Instead of the “remove any and all trees within 50ft of the blueprint” approach.

 

It’s like Time Traveler at SDC. Amazing ride, however... the clear cutting around the ride makes it stand out like a sore thumb when compared to the other attractions like Thunderation, Powder Keg, and Outlaw Run.

 

I mean, you have to remember to put up a ride of this scale, they need land to position the cranes and other equipment to safely get the ride up. If you look up old construction photos of the beast, they also cleared the land immediate to the ride, naturally. It just had many, many years to re-grow back in. Also, they wouldn't need to clear as much land as it's just lumber versus having to stage large cranes capable of lifting very heavy components 300ft in the air!

 

That being said, hopefully they will fill in the land again with new tree's and such once complete.

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Love the update!!!!! Was gonna say hi when I saw you when i ran into one of the FYE Coaster guys but didnt wanna intrude haha looking forward to more of your reports!

You should have! Sorry if I saw you and didn't recognize you. I was meeting so many new people from their group that I just assumed I didn't know anyone.

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Steel Vengeance was built for enthusiasts and every enthusiast in the whole world went to Cedar Point last year to ride it.

 

Yeah. No.

 

There are TONS air coaster enthusiasts who didn’t flock out to Cedar Point for SV. (Myself being one of them.)

 

You all are missing my point, which still stands. Cedar Point built Steel Vengeance for coaster enthusiasts, but nobody came. Ergo, enthusiasts do not make up a large percentage of park attendance.

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That topic always makes me wonder how many people who go to parks are actually willing to drive more than a few hours, if that, to another park. And I'm not talking about Disney/Orlando, which IMO doesn't qualify since it's more of a destination in itself. I'm talking about people who visit Six Flags Fiesta Texas, Carowinds, Six Flags St. Louis, Holiday World, etc. who are interested in visiting a place like Cedar Point, and then those who follow though. Then, you have to take into account those who can even think to afford to take that kind of trip.

 

I know two other people who are working professionals with decent salaries who have visited Cedar Point out of all of the people I know. But then again, they'll probably never go again. That, and they didn't go because of any new attraction, they just went based on the reputation Cedar Point has had since I was a teenager. So, I'm curious about the actual number of X in 1000 who actually went with the majority of their purpose to ride Steele Vengeance. After that, I'd like to know how many people went for a refurbished ride like Steele Vengeance vs. a new ground-up roller coaster like Valravn or Gatekeeper, both of which also had unique features.

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That topic always makes me wonder how many people who go to parks are actually willing to drive more than a few hours, if that, to another park. And I'm not talking about Disney/Orlando, which IMO doesn't qualify since it's more of a destination in itself. I'm talking about people who visit Six Flags Fiesta Texas, Carowinds, Six Flags St. Louis, Holiday World, etc. who are interested in visiting a place like Cedar Point, and then those who follow though. Then, you have to take into account those who can even think to afford to take that kind of trip.

 

I know two other people who are working professionals with decent salaries who have visited Cedar Point out of all of the people I know. But then again, they'll probably never go again. That, and they didn't go because of any new attraction, they just went based on the reputation Cedar Point has had since I was a teenager. So, I'm curious about the actual number of X in 1000 who actually went with the majority of their purpose to ride Steele Vengeance. After that, I'd like to know how many people went for a refurbished ride like Steele Vengeance vs. a new ground-up roller coaster like Valravn or Gatekeeper, both of which also had unique features.

 

I think you've got a very valid point.

 

I think I fall into the category of "working professionals with decent salaries," consider myself quite an enthusiast, and yeah my only two trips there as an adult were in 2008 and 2017, and the 2017 trip was 50% because I had a work event in Milwaukee to go to and opted to drive from Northern DE instead of fly. Otherwise, CP is about a 9 hour drive for me (I loathe flying), which necessitates taking a day at each end for travel, and of course at least 2 days at the park. If I'm gonna be out there, might as well do KI too, so that adds another day or two. Getting 5-6 days off consecutive can be tough, not to mention the $1,000 for the travel expenses on top of the Platinum Pass. And I travel by myself for the most part LOL.

 

Would I have loved to get out there last year or this year for SV? Absolutely. But it just didn't happen. I hope to get back to CP (and KI for that matter) next summer, but we'll see.

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Steel Vengeance got me to go to Cedar Point last year. I used the fact that they have like 18 roller coasters to get my friends to go with me. Funny thing is, once I got them on Steel Vengeance, that's the reason they're making the trip again with me next year and spending more money in the process flying and staying at Breakers. They loved it that much. Now if a park has an RMC and I want them to go with me, I tell them it has a ride like SV and they're ready to go. That being said, we're also making the trip to Kings Island again next year for Orion.

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^Sounds like it's time to take them to the one RMC that I actually really liked. If you live in Southern Illinois Outlaw Run is relatively close and calling your name. I'm betting you've been on it, but your friends might be easily sold.

 

Outlaw Run hits the break run just in time to catch your breath. Steele Vengeance keeps going at that point and tries to separate my upper torso from my hips. Eh. Thrashing isn't my thing and I can tell I wouldn't enjoy bull riding. One and done.

 

Just like I just said in the HW thread, I'd be back to SDC if I could enjoy a beer while I take in the atmosphere. Two dry parks within four hours of me sucks. Aside from Haunts, I don't like to throw too many back. But damn. I'm a working professional and I like to enjoy a couple cold ones on getaways. Throw me a bone SDC & HW!

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Steel Vengeance got me to go to Cedar Point last year. I used the fact that they have like 18 roller coasters to get my friends to go with me. Funny thing is, once I got them on Steel Vengeance, that's the reason they're making the trip again with me next year and spending more money in the process flying and staying at Breakers. They loved it that much. Now if a park has an RMC and I want them to go with me, I tell them it has a ride like SV and they're ready to go. That being said, we're also making the trip to Kings Island again next year for Orion.

 

This is an awesome point. And I think it leads back to the thing that's been said over and over in this thread: just because Orion doesn't break any records doesn't mean it's not going to be an awesome ride. When people come and ride this thing, they'll want to keep coming back for more. That's exactly what the park wants, hence the emphasis on gold pass sales.

 

Kings Island could build the world's tallest roller coaster, and once people have ridden it they'll brag about it to their friends and possibly never come back because it was simply too intense. Or they could build a scary-but-not-too-scary, awesome, fun, roller coaster that's taller than anything they currently have and drastically improve their overall park experience, causing more people to want to visit the park more often.

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Locally here in Mid-Michigan, people will definitely make the 3 hour trip to CP for a new, hyped attraction, and if MIA ever DID add another big attraction, you'd better believe they'd flock there en-masse! (Even all the GP I've ever talked with in the area are annoyed with the lack of additions at the park, so anybody saying otherwise is feeding you a company line.) Dive Coasters in particular draw immense interest from non-enthusiasts, and that first year of Valravn was huge as far as attracting local interest. Honestly, I think SV looking a lot like a wooden coaster probably hurt its hype in the GP's eyes, and could explain why it didn't draw as well as we may have expected. Nobody I talked to about it had any context for knowing what an "RMC" was, and the response I got from people (again, all non-enthusiasts, because I don't have many local enthusiast friends) was noticeably more subdued than when I was showing them Valravn a couple of years before. (Heck, all this year I had random people sharing pictures and POVs of Yukon Striker on my Facebook because they know I love coasters, and that one got their attention!) So that's how I've found the non-enthusiast locals to be about Cedar Point. But ask about Six Flags Great America, or Kings Island, and the number of people in this area who have been to (or even heard of) either park, is WAY lower. It's always surprising to me, just how few people have made the trip to either park, and they're only an hour, to an hour and a half farther away. So, I have to agree with the others who have suggested that GP, and non-enthusiasts aren't likely to travel more than a few hours for an amusement park, and will likely only visit a non local park if there happens to be one nearby to where they are vacationing for some other reason.

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That will probably be one of the more busy days. We've been to KI Haunt twice in the last three years. I can only comment on our experiences. The longest line we've waited in was last year for Diamondback and that was probably 15-20 minutes, if that. Beast and Banshee were 5-10 minutes. Everything else took us practically right into the station. Once the haunt starts the lines for the rides get shorter. Then, during the last few hours the haunted house lines die down. I suggest at least trying one or two.

 

Are those FL waits or standby waits? Thinking of going Oct 4th but would not be buying FL+

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^Sounds like it's time to take them to the one RMC that I actually really liked. If you live in Southern Illinois Outlaw Run is relatively close and calling your name. I'm betting you've been on it, but your friends might be easily sold.

 

Just like I just said in the HW thread, I'd be back to SDC if I could enjoy a beer while I take in the atmosphere. Two dry parks within four hours of me sucks. Aside from Haunts, I don't like to throw too many back. But damn. I'm a working professional and I like to enjoy a couple cold ones on getaways. Throw me a bone SDC & HW!

 

We all actually went to SDC in April and had a really good time. Time Traveler was actually the favorite of our group! It's funny now that I've gotten them on two more RMC's (Outlaw Run and and Storm Chaser), they refer to them as min-SV's lol.

 

The older I get, the more I agree with you about having a few beers while at the park. While I love HW as it's been the park I've grew up with, we went to HW 4 weeks ago and KK 3 weeks ago and we had a much better time at KK. That was mostly because there was little to no wait for the rides, but also because we were drinking. Could have used a few at HW. When you work with the public and then go to a place on your vacation where there is a ton of people who are very similar to the people you deal with on a daily basis at work, you need something to take the edge off.

 

Dive Coasters in particular draw immense interest from non-enthusiasts, and that first year of Valravn was huge as far as attracting local interest. Honestly, I think SV looking a lot like a wooden coaster probably hurt its hype in the GP's eyes, and could explain why it didn't draw as well as we may have expected. Nobody I talked to about it had any context for knowing what an "RMC" was, and the response I got from people (again, all non-enthusiasts, because I don't have many local enthusiast friends) was noticeably more subdued than when I was showing them Valravn a couple of years before. (Heck, all this year I had random people sharing pictures and POVs of Yukon Striker on my Facebook because they know I love coasters, and that one got their attention!) So that's how I've found the non-enthusiast locals to be about Cedar Point.

 

B&M rides in general are more marketable just because as I've said before, they're so damn beautiful. RMC's are rough and rigid looking, but they also do stuff that looks damn near impossible. SV is very intimidating to look at. My friends GF didn't wanna ride it because of how "scary" looking it was. However, she didn't have a single problem riding Millie or Top Thrill Dragster before we got to SV. As I used to tell my cooks, appearance is everything. You could cook a steak that maybe the best tasting steak ever, but if the outside looks like sh**, nobody is going to eat it.

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B&M rides in general are more marketable just because as I've said before, they're so damn beautiful. RMC's are rough and rigid looking, but they also do stuff that looks damn near impossible. SV is very intimidating to look at...appearance is everything. You could cook a steak that maybe the best tasting steak ever, but if the outside looks like sh**, nobody is going to eat it.

 

I don't know, I think Steel Vengeance is the most beautiful-looking coaster I've ever seen -- especially at night. I understand where you're coming from with the B&Ms looking good, though. I'm sure Orion will look great. I didn't ride Steel Vengeance opening year because of its one-train ops, and then it was removed from Fast Lane Plus for a time, and finally because the weather forecast was awful over three straight weekends near the end of the season and I ended up not going. Sometimes it's a lot of little things that aren't the fault of a ride's visual presentation.

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