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P. 829: Adventure Port themed area announced for 2023!

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Oh yeah, if you're a big fan of MF still, after all these years, you should definitely love the B&M Gigas as well! People give B&M crap over being forceless these days (I don't agree, FWIW), but the Gigas absolutely pack a punch still! There's room for both Fury and MF in my Top 5, and Leviathan jumped right into my Top 10 as well!

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I kind of understand the whole "forceless" argument, but mostly in respect to the inverting coasters. I think around 99, when they first made hypers they started making overall less intense rides, which progressed into rides like Silver Bullet, Patriot, Hydra, Gatekeeper etc. But I remember people calling MF "Millennium Forceless" so I think to a certain extent it's just cool to hate on some rides *shrug*

 

Regardless I'll be looking forward to riding it and than I'll make my judgment call

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I think with Leviathan, Banshee, and especially Fury, B&M shows that it still has what it takes to make kick ass rides. I'd bet my next paycheck that Orion is going to be one of those coasters where people get more out of it than they expect. This is B&M's giga and I'm sure they're getting into their 300 foot groove.

 

Some people might question Banshee's intensity, but I think it's there. It's hard to compare it to other inverts since it kind of rides like a swooping hyper rather than the old school quick transitions that people are accustom to. It's a speed demon.

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^ Agreed. I think Banshee is plenty intense, just in a different way than the old inverts. You are absolutely hauling ass at the bottoms of the elements, especially the turnaround pretzel thing. It doesn't have the rapidfire succession of elements like a batman, but the sustained g's on the lower portions and speed through the first part of the ride are incredible.

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Some people might question Banshee's intensity, but I think it's there. It's hard to compare it to other inverts since it kind of rides like a swooping hyper rather than the old school quick transitions that people are accustom to. It's a speed demon.

 

Banshee is plenty intense, but for me, not in the way I like my inverts. It also ranks as one of my least favorite B&M inverts (my favorite style).

 

It's got a great first drop and some pretty intense G's, but the elements are just so BORING. The transitions especially have no 'snap' to them, awkwardly shaped (you seriously 'wiggle' side to side entering those dive loops... That's just weird to me) and that completely kills how awesome that same layout could have been... Done say, 10 years prior or something.

 

I still like the ride, but in my mind, such a waste of a killer layout by designing the elements so terribly.

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^I think all of that is too harsh on Banshee. While I do prefer more "snappy" intense inverts like Alpengeist, Montu, and Afterburn, Banshee has its own charm. Riding it just feels big, and open, and swooping, and as long as you ride toward the front, it's very rerideable because you won't get the same headache/stomachache you'd get say marathonning Afterburn.

 

I think that's why many people prefer coasters such as the gigas (besides I305) to more intense coasters like the RMCs. I rode Fury for over an hour without leaving the station but do the same thing on Steel Vengeance (which they won't let you anyway) and you'll be hurting somewhere.

 

All in all, it would be great to have a thigh-crushing airtime machine at KI and maybe someday they will, but I believe Orion will still end up being the best ride at the park and a very rerideable coaster.

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The transitions especially have no 'snap' to them

I think this is true of most B&M coasters made since around the time they started manufacturing wing coasters, dive coasters became more popularized and they introduced those staggered "wing" trains on their hypers than gigas. That timing would make sense as well because those types of rides require smoother elements and transitions by design. I'm guessing they decided to use the same type of "smoothness" for all of their designs, since they've mainly only built those types of rides since than any way. Plus they made their first family inverted model the same year as Banshee, so I'm assuming the full size models are going to be more aligned with the smoothness and flow of all those types of coasters.

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I think B&M's all have good to great forces, and Banshee absolutley is snappy and intense! Ya'll crazy! Lol If anything, the early B&M Inverts and Stand-Up weren't engineered as well as the newer models, which is why they have stronger, and not as pleasant to the average person forces. The newest B&Ms I've ridden have shown me a maturity in design, that they deliver strong forces, without being too intense for the average rider, which is who parks are installing coasters for, remember.

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^^^ To be honest I think B&M had better rides in the earlier years. Look at Afterburn, Alpengeist, Raptor, Apollo's Chariot, etc. Those are all superior to me than some of the newer rides. Carowinds is my home park and Fury is the exception for sure. It is a fantastic ride minus the long drawn out part near the MCBR. I haven't ridden Banshee but it looks fun. Hoping to get to Kings Island soon.

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Classification: Giga

Height of Hills: 287 feet

 

So am I correct in assuming we have collectively broadened the definition of a "giga?"

 

A giga roller coaster is a complete circuit roller coaster that is built for height, speed, and airtime. These coasters are between 300 and 399 feet (91.4 and 121.6 meters) in height.

 

Termed a "giga-coaster" for its extreme height, Millennium Force will be the first and only roller coaster in the world to break the 300-foot-tall barrier.
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^It's basically the same for hypers who do not have a 200 foot or higher lift, but have at least one drop of 200 or more; Apollo's Chariot for example. Orion has a 300' drop...so it's a giga. Either way, if we are talking about models, they are still a hyper model according to B&M, regardless of what we call them.

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Phantom's Revenge is a hyper due to the 2nd drop that uses the terrain. No one ever second guesses that, but it's not a B&M so no one cares enough to criticize it. Then again, maybe it was just constructed before people cared about stupid bullshit like roller coaster classification differences between 13 feet.

 

https://rcdb.com/123.htm

 

Length 3,200.0 ft

Height 160.0 ft

Drop 228.0 ft

Speed 85.0 mph

Inversions 0

Duration 1:57

Elements Chain Lift Hill

 

I'm glad the ride height is only 287 feet tall just to give people something pointless to cry about.

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I am in the camp that thinks that adding 13 more feet would have been advantageous for the park. Oh well, i'm sure it will be a hit for the park no matter what.

 

But would it have been advantageous for the chain? Remember that Cedar Fair isn't trying to make KI a destination park; it's doing just fine by drawing in locals. Remember, there's a 310 foot tall coaster 4 hours north...

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^^Exactly, KI has a HUGE pass base that comes out in big numbers for new coasters. Look at the crowds it drew for Banshee, Diamondback and Mystic Timbers. Two of which didn't break any records. Lose the mentality that coasters are built for enthusiasts and you'll understand more of the business decisions parks make. Why 300' is just as marketable to locals as 310 or 330'. Would making this ride 326ft tall really effect the experience all that much? Enthusiasts are the only ones complaining (and not all of us) that this ride isn't setting records. I'm sure this ride is helping season pass growth and that's all the park cares about right now until it opens.

 

Personally I'm stoked that this ride seems to be designed to be nonstop action from drop to brakes with some low to the ground elements. I think this has potential to be the most flat out FUN ride in Ohio. There I said it! lol

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I think B&M's all have good to great forces, and Banshee absolutley is snappy and intense! Ya'll crazy! Lol If anything, the early B&M Inverts and Stand-Up weren't engineered as well as the newer models, which is why they have stronger, and not as pleasant to the average person forces. The newest B&Ms I've ridden have shown me a maturity in design, that they deliver strong forces, without being too intense for the average rider, which is who parks are installing coasters for, remember.

 

Aside from the initial whip on the first drop, maybe, Banshee is farrrrrr from snappy. It's like the anti-snap.

 

It's still intense, but intense =/= snappy.

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I think that over time it would have been better to actually make a statement with a larger coaster. That is just my opinion. I definitely am not complaining as I have never been to this park nor do I have plans to visit anytime soon. If this had been a bigger more intense layout I sure would have made my first visit. I think a lot of other would have done the same. Just look what Fury did for Carowinds in terms of media coverage, attendance, and respect amongst enthusiasts and GP.

 

In the case of Cedar Fair not wanting the park to be a destination park I disagree because I don't think they would be disappointed with new customers coming in from other areas. I think they would love that. I do see your point where they didn't go the extra mile because that is not their main goal. My issue is that I think they could have really gone the extra mile and made this a standout coaster. They already have Diamondback and I think it would have been a smart move to really set a new standard at the park.

 

Like I said I have never been to this park so maybe they don't need a 300 ft coaster and a 287 foot coaster will suffice.

 

Ultimately I think it will be a good addition to the park. I just think that making this a show stopping coaster, like they did with Fury would have been good for them, the chain, and coaster riders in general. I don't think it would have broken the bank to do so and I believe that it would have gotten them a bigger return on investment. I'm looking forward to hearing what people say about it. Maybe it will be better than I am assuming.

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