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p. 792 - Camp Cedar campground to open in 2021!

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Oh - And you all should have known that Cedar Point wouldn't actually let Kings Island get anything that would outshine them!

 

Except with Banshee

Do you feel better now? Did that help your insecurities by proving her wrong? Did it? Good...

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Just wanted to give an update on the site.

 

For those who didnt get to watch the stream or had difficulty watching the park's live stream (yes i know it was bad, I had people commenting on mine that my stream was better) check it out here: [youtu_be]

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Onto the pictures!

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Crane is on site. Actually the larger part rolled right in as I was over taking pictures(:

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Transfer area and exit out of the Main brake is done.

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A look over at the location of the final turn into the path of the main brake as well as a close spot of the drop.

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The lone footer trying to hide.

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Work continues on the concrete pouring down near Racer

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SkyHigh Coasters will be in charge of I believe erecting the steel. Don't quote me on that though.

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Firehawk trains just sitting around

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Heavy machinery and or track looks to be moved soon as they have concrete barriers down near Banshee. The barriers where up two weeks ago but it looks like they where moved from the road for now.

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Finally the crane is assembled and just waiting for the tires to be installed then onto the site it will go!

 

 

Just my opinion, yes I have seen the stats of the ride, I have seen all the comments about the ride on Facebook and everywhere and honestly? I say who cares what the comments say! As a regular that goes to Kings Island almost weekly, I am personally excited to see this project evolve throughout its construction and cannot wait till Spring of 2020!

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So we didn't get any surprises or twists for the announcement, but that's okay! Seeing the renderings of this coaster made me even more excited for this. That wave turn and those airtime hills... did anyone notice the large height differential between I think it's the 3rd and 4th hill? I'd expect to have some awesome airtime on that hill. And because this thing will be a people eater and most likely not be broken down all the time or thigh crush to an uncomfortable extent... we'll be able to ride it a ton of times even on busy days!

 

Could the park have made something bigger, better, broken records, first-of-its-kind, etc.? Probably. Should they? Who knows. But I think this statement provides an accurate description of one reason they didn't:

Oh - And you all should have known that Cedar Point wouldn't actually let Kings Island get anything that would outshine them!

 

Kings Island is already an amazing, top-10 park and this will just make it even better. The park's skyline is going to change dramatically and the colors of this ride look great and will be an amazing complement to their other rides. They're also going to completely revitalize and retheme that area and improve it a lot from X-Base, which will be another welcome improvement to the park.

 

I think this ride will end up surprising a lot of people with how good it is, but even if it doesn't, "cookie-cutter" B&Ms are still a ton of fun and worth riding. And all of you planning to visit when this thing opens, come say hi to someone who enjoys the hobby and doesn't have a stick up their butt!

 

Also, last night's event was a ton of fun and I have some pictures I can post from our day and evening whenever I get the chance.

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DIL mentioned in his prediction post about tunnels and theming and the like. We who went to the announcement were all a little surprised that Orion doesn’t appear to have that much theming. From a marketing standpoint, I think the ride itself is a big enough draw compared to a ride like Mystic, so I get why there isn’t more theming. I also get why KI might not spend the extra money to spice up Area 72 this year after spending so much on this beast of a coaster. But looking to the future, how likely do you think it is that they’ll add a tunnel like on Leviathan and some more theming in Area 72? I’m already impressed with how well Orion’s theme matches FoF, and I think the park could do a ton with the area. I personally would love to see a tunnel but looking from a practical standpoint I’m not sure how much of a draw it would have.

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It's exactly what we thought based upon what we saw already. And that's a good thing! I think this ride looks great. It is short but it packs a punch for the length that it does have. I'll be happy seeing this at my home park.

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You're acting like the park owes you something.

 

No, I'm acting like this is the exact same ride I can go on in many different parks throughout the US or North America, or the World: hell, even pretty much in the exact same park, which is why there's no incentive to visit once this ride opens.

 

You know it, I know it, Robb Alvey knows it, people who consistently ride coasters know it. Hell, even my family and friends know this B&M cookie cutter crap just does not cut it or warrants additional visits to the park. Orion is a Mako, Diamondback, Fury, Leviathon, Behemoth, blah blah blah all the same. Trim brakes on airtime hills, blah blah blah all the same. This is the same crap B&M has been doing for about 20 years now. Enough is enough.

 

Parks dropping $20+ Million on coasters need to do better than this, because it's a joke, and I don't know why that is a problem for some of you "enthusiasts" to hope for instead of applauding the next turd they crap out. And I don't know why wanting parks to create better rides than this is frowned upon. Yeah I'm critical of ride additions at times, I think Kings Island could have created a much better ride experience than this for the money, and I think they should have instead of just bending over to the constituency!

 

I don't see why there's anything wrong with having that opinion.

 

Dude, you're so miserable and all you do is spark controversy and piss people off every time someone looks forward to a new B&M. I'm sure Robb would really appreciate you throwing using his name to continuously bitch about new attractions that are an absolute hit with your average park goer. There's a difference between expressing your disappointment and throwing a huge buzz killing temper tantrum while people are trying to get excited about this.

 

If your life is lacking thrill that much deactivate your account and go join the fucking marines.

 

 

Enough is enough.

 

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I'm sure Robb would really appreciate you throwing using his name to continuously bitch about new attractions that are an absolute hit with your average park goer.

Nope. And he's been banned because of it.

The Madmax was strong with that dude.

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Nope. And he's been banned because of it.

 

This is my favorite post of the day.

This is what it says on why he was banned when he logs back into the forum:

 

"Banned for being an asshole. Let me make it clear... You are NOT being banned for "having an opinion", you are being banned for being an asshole."

 

Is that your new favorite post of the day?

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Orion looks like it will be a lot of fun to me! Looking forward to trying it next year. I will never understand the complaining of adding another Giga to the coaster universe without actually riding it yet.

 

In other news, Flume rides everywhere were very disappointed to hear this.

 

...I'm still convinced that the sun rises and sets with Millennium F*cking Force...
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The brake runs are high like this because they are very efficient, which is a huge factor for the park. In fact, I wouldn't at all be surprised if they're the ones who asked for this design again. Starting the brake run high means you'll have less kinetic energy entering the brakes, and having a flat section first means the brakes won't be working against gravity to slow the train initially. And then of course, the inclined transfer section eliminates the need for drive wheels which are a considerable running cost.

 

Fury 325's brake run is lower but it also has an extra 1300 feet of track to dissipate speed. This thing would come blazing into the brake run if it wasn't elevated.

 

When you are going to be operating hundreds of cycles every day, using gravity (which is free, btw) instead of extreme braking force and electricity is extremely attractive to a park.

 

Less cost to run also means higher ROI, just the same as how someone possibly did the market research and saw that Fury 325 was too intense and wanted to increase the appeal of this ride by turning down the intensity. It's all about money.

 

Good lord, I'm glad this thing actually has a 300ft drop so we don't have to have THAT discussion.

 

In addition, starting the brake run up high when the train is moving more slowly causes less stress to be put onto the train. The point of the brake run that puts the most stress on a train the start, since the front of the train is being slowed while the rest of the train is still barrelling ahead. Any additional stress on the vehicle can increase maintenance costs, due to more frequent repairs, or just more frequent inspections being required.

 

As for the ride itself, I don't love the layout and would change a few things if I was to design it, but I'm sure it will be a heck of a ride regardless. I will have to make a trip out to KI next year once it opens.

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Nope. And he's been banned because of it.

 

This is my favorite post of the day.

This is what it says on why he was banned when he logs back into the forum:

 

"Banned for being an asshole. Let me make it clear... You are NOT being banned for "having an opinion", you are being banned for being an asshole."

 

Is that your new favorite post of the day?

 

It's my favorite.

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Nope. And he's been banned because of it.

 

This is my favorite post of the day.

This is what it says on why he was banned when he logs back into the forum:

 

"Banned for being an asshole. Let me make it clear... You are NOT being banned for "having an opinion", you are being banned for being an asshole."

 

Is that your new favorite post of the day?

And here I was thinking the giga coaster announcement was going to be the best part of the day!

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My final predictions before the ride is announced.

 

Name: Doesn't matter; people will b!tch.

Height: Doesn't matter; people will b!tch.

Speed: Doesn't matter; people will b!tch.

Length: Doesn't matter; people will b!tch.

Ride Time: Doesn't matter; people will b!tch.

G-Forces: Doesn't matter; people will b!tch.

Color scheme: Doesn't matter; people will b!tch.

Number of bolts used in the construction: Doesn't matter; people will b!tch.

About a million other useless statistics: Doesn't matter; people will b!tch.

I'm gonna ressurect this post because literally any and every year a new major ride is announced, even if the roller coaster was crafted by the hands of God himself, people will still find something to complain about. You can't please everyone. Steel Vengeance announced? People complained. Fury 325 announced? People complained.

 

300 foot tall first drop, 91mph, a mile of steel track, "the single largest investment KI has ever made since opening the park", and it's still not enough...? Please consider another hobby.

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Was there much complaining with Steel Vengeance? Maybe the name. I remember that announcement being pretty well-received. It was a coaster designed for enthusiasts after all.

 

And as with every announcement, I feel like there are more people complaining about the complainers than there are complainers in the first place. There are literally two people who haven’t said “Looks great! So excited!” And then two dozen people complaining about their ungratefulness. Oh, well. Looks great! So excited!

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^^ maybe not as much complaining, but certainly more debate beforehand. Mainly whether it was going to open 2017 or 2018, the height, speed, drop angle, if it was going to be a launch, etc. You know, really cool stuff that only the coolest of the cool can understand.

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I am very excited about this ride.

 

1. I love the color scheme. It will be an imposing structure, but not an eye sore.

2. I love the wave turn.

3. Love that it will have a 300 foot drop and a 200 foot drop in one ride.

 

This ride will definitely make me travel back Ohio to check this out and visit the Mecca, Cedar Point.

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Of course it's gunna be awesome.

I think some are just a tad let down because we know what Fury is like, and it's so glorious, while this looks like a more "standard" but bigger B&M so I think many are just assuming it will be less furious than Fury, more of a mild big ride. Also enthusiasts same to hate floater air and demand only ejector, so I think some are let down by the big, drawn out hills. Personally I love floater. Long as its solid, and sustained. Great feeling, and Goliath honest to god rivals Twisted Cyclone for me because it just has so many loooong floater hills.

 

That's the make or break for the ride for me. If the hills are mild, the ride will be kind of meh, if they are strong sustained floater hills (with a speed hill thrown in there) it's gunna be epic as hell. And I love sense of speed. This thing will be fast, but its not gunna have the feel of speed that Fury or MForce have. BUT THATS OK BC YA KNOW NOT EVERY RIDE CAN BE THE SAME, PERFECT AND TAILORED FOR ME lol

 

OH also B&M attempt at a wave turn? Helix in the middle? They are taking stabs at branching out, I'll give it that

 

All I know is KI was probably not on my 2020 list...and now it 100% is!

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