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This addition confuses me. This is the best a park of this caliber can come up with? Even using B&M? Ugh.

 

Can't believe what higher ups in the chain are willing to "sign off" on as a legitimate addition with so many other amazing roller coaster manufacturers providing much more unique thrills at a cost similar or less than B&M provides. Mack, Intamin, Premier all come to mind.

 

Kings Island deserves much better, IMO.

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Sometimes I can't tell if you're serious or not.

 

Love them or hate them, large scale B&M coasters are established as problem free high capacity crowd pleasers. Kings Island signs off on the additions because they offer great return on investment. Case in point: Fury 325 and Leviathan. The parks are out to please the majority of guests and they care much much less about enthusiasts who stick their noses up at anything other than RMC or coasters that offer blackout forces.

 

Face it, dude. You're a coaster snob. You hate on anything that doesn't meet your stamp of approval. It must be exhausting. I'm sure people love having conversations with you in queues...

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Face it, dude. You're a coaster snob. You hate on anything that doesn't meet your stamp of approval. It must be exhausting. I'm sure people love having conversations with you in queues...

 

 

Sometimes I wonder why some people are in this hobby if they're so miserable.

 

Not every new coaster needs to have mind blowing stats (on paper since this isn't built yet) to be amazing. I'll keep using I305 as my example as this ride has similar unconfirmed stats. Enthusiasts LOVE I305, most drool over it. Yet, this ride, which appears to be similar in height and length is being s**t on left and right by enthusiast snobs just because it doesn't meet their wet dream expectations.

 

Can we at least wait until we ride rides to judge them? And not s**t all over a park, a park who has numbers and research to justify their CapEx spending as well as a budget to work with before the ride is even built, let alone announced officially.

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^And Leviathan totally blew a lot of enthusiast's minds when it was announced. KI's giga is being hated on simply because of the fact that Fury 325 exists. I'm sure we'll all love it when we finally get a chance to ride.

 

(I feel like this thread keeps going in circles)

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Haha. Even as someone who was rather disappointed upon initial viewing of the layout and predicted stats (but have certainly come around since then), I do find it quite hilarious how its already been established by some where this will rank in the hierarchy of gigas, and hierarchy of coasters in general....

 

And there isn't even teasers yet.... let alone it being announced, let alone it opening, or anyone having ridden it...

 

 

Just curious, if you removed Fury's helix wouldn't it be about the length of this ride? By all accounts, that helix is the weakest part of Fury.

 

Good question. I had been wondering the same thing myself, and actually looked into this a couple of weeks ago...

 

Upon using the Google Earth measuring tool, the raw length from an overhead view came out to be ~700 ft. Taking into account the elevation of the track I think it would be anywhere from ~750-800 ft.

 

So if you were to take out the helix alone on Fury, the length might be down 5800-5900 ft

 

This addition confuses me. This is the best a park of this caliber can come up with? Even using B&M? Ugh.

 

Can't believe what higher ups in the chain are willing to "sign off" on as a legitimate addition with so many other amazing roller coaster manufacturers providing much more unique thrills at a cost similar or less than B&M provides. Mack, Intamin, Premier all come to mind.

 

Kings Island deserves much better, IMO.

 

This post confuses me...

 

Just curious. Were you not aware that B&M was listed on official NOC documents as early as August of last year?

 

You sound as if you just found it that's going to B&M, and that other manufacturers were even rumored as potential builders of this ride.

 

We get it. You don't like B&M. And yes, there happen to be a lot of great coasters being made by other manufacturers as well. If you like Mack and Intamin so much, just move overseas.

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People being upset or nit picky about Kings islands new addition next year are hilarious to me and I’ve already had a few friends that aren’t enthusiasts reach out asking why they are building another diamondback. Lately I’ve been sending them the video eltororyan made (thank you) and then sending them video of fury vs intimidator at Carowinds.

 

I can’t wait for this no matter the stats or the name or colors but if I am seeing things right the next two elements after a 301 foot drop top put at 173. That should lead to some good pops of air and by the time you hit that weird turn around towards the end you should be carrying good speed for some force entering and exiting it. While the ride seems short by giga standards it should pack a punch.

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  • 2 weeks later...

Beautiful day at the park today. Except Diamondback went down when we would have been on the next train. All three trains are off and there appears to be no activity over there. Video screen out front reporting it down for the day. Daughter is a bit bummed to miss it, but we are having a great day otherwise. We did the tower and there are some footers poured for the new coaster. Full TR next week.

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I finds it really strange that they are putting the Giga really close to Diamondback? Canada and Carowinds have their Gigas at the other end of the park from their Hypers and I would think they would put it at the former location to SoB

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Actually, the distance from station to station at Carowinds is about 1900+/-ft, at Wonderland 2000+/-ft and at KI it should be around 1500+/-ft. So technically they will all be around the same linear distance from each other. Not as strange as you think . . .

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^^

 

I finds it really strange that they are putting the Giga really close to Diamondback? Canada and Carowinds have their Gigas at the other end of the park from their Hypers and I would think they would put it at the former location to SoB

Hmmn. Not so sure about that. They're both on opposite sides of the park. The only other alternative would have been to use SOB's station and that area just got ramped up with Banshee. The pathway there narrows down that way so it might have gotten pretty congested between Banshee, Bat, and the new Giga.

 

I could see your point if they were right next to each other, but look how close Fury gets to Intimidator. They practically touch tips...

 

When you'll look at the skyline from the front of the park it will look like the new giga is to the left side of the park and Diamondback will be to the right. You also have to consider where the new giga's entrance will be. It'll work out!

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Six Flags New England put two boomerangs next to each other. Silverwood put two wood coasters right next to each other. If the ride is good*, people will ride it even if it looks similar to another.

 

* Or I guess mediocre considering SFNE's Goliath has an hour wait when it decides to operate.

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I try to avoid chain restaurants when I can. The Mason Grill (124 E. Main St.) was an excellent choice for breakfast Saturday. Huge portions, quite tasty, and reasonably priced. There is a craft beer store two doors down as well.

 

Edit: Just looked up the beer store. Turns out it is actually a brewery. The Common Beer Co.

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Has there been any more teasers?

 

Technically, there actually hasn't been any official park teasers to begin with. Only "developments", of which the most recent one has been simply what color the track might be...

 

Similar to 3 out of the other 4 CF gigas, a nice blue color...

 

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(Source)

 

Supposedly, the support color (behind the track), is a light gray.

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Thirteen years ago today, Cedar Fair purchased Kings Island along with the four other then-Paramount parks - for a an astonishing $1.24 billion...

 

What's crazy to think about is how long its been already that they've owned the parks. About one more year from now, and they will have owned these parks for as long (2006-2020) as the Paramount era was (1992-2006). Assuming they own the parks past 2020, this will make them the single-longest ownership of Kings Island...

 

I'll always look at the Paramount era with mixed feelings. On one hand, I have vivid, fond memories of growing up in the perennial "Award" winning Kid's Area that was Hanna-Barbera Land/Nick Central/Nick Universe etc. by which Paramount was responsible for expanding and improving multiple times throughout their ownership.

 

But on the other hand, when I look at many of the decisions/major investments made in the times long before I was old enough to know or care who B&M is or what a "world-class coaster" entails, I can't help but to think that this must have been a frustrating time to be an enthusiast.

 

I admire Paramount's ambition they had with Son of Beast and Tomb Raider, but my oh my is it a tough pill to swallow just thinking about $30,000,000 and $20,000,000 respectively spent on two things that:

 

A) Failed to see their 10th anniversary (and at a seasonal park)

 

B) Significantly and rapidly detoriated over time - one of which ending up as one of the infamous coasters of all time, and the other in its last couple years became denigratingly known as "a ferris wheel in a box" :/

 

C) Left behind painful reminders of what could have been in the form of year-round Haunt structures.

 

And this obsession they had with prototypes was not limited to KI. Flights of Fear, Volcano, Hypersonic etc.

 

And unfortunately for KD, neither Volcano or Hypersonic never worked as intended, and unfortunately no longer exist either.

 

It seems that they really did want to bring to KI and KD something special and world-class in SOB, TR:TR, Volcano, and Hypersonic, but came up short when it came to execution. If they had just gone with relatively unambitious/less "inspired" projects such as any steel hypercoaster, B&M floorless, invert, etc., things would have gone much more smoothly, both figuratively and literally.

 

Hinsdsight is 2020, but heck, an Intamin rocket would have ended up as a better choice than Hypersonic. As for SOB, a plug n' play in the 150-160 ft range (I've heard that Intamin was considered when SOB was in development, but either the price was not right and/or were not willing to go 200+ ft)

 

Xcelerator (2002) opened just one year after Hypersonic

Colossos (2001) - one year after SOB

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What's crazy to think about is how long its been already that they've owned the parks. About one more year from now, and they will have owned these parks for as long (2006-2020) as the Paramount era was (1992-2006). Assuming they own the parks past 2020, this will make them the single-longest ownership of Kings Island...

 

Wow, that's crazy. All things considered I think Cedar fair has been the best owners of the park, for many of the reasons you stated. From a theming standpoint, I remember being a bit upset by how generic Cedar Fair with the big rides and the loss of the Nickelodeon theme in the kids area. The Italian Job suffered (suffers) the worst, but I have friends who, probably to this day, still refer to Invertigo and Drop Tower as Face/Off and Drop Zone.

 

13 years later I'm really impressed with what Cedar Fair has done. Generic rides are ok if they're good rides, and it's not like the park was anything like Disneyland or Universal before. While I still prefer the Nick themes for the kids rides, the park has done a pretty good job with the Peanuts rebrand and kept the rides in good working condition (although, wouldn't it be great to get the pre-Paramount name "Beastie" back on Woodstock Express). Most of all, though, I'm really happy with the coasters Cedar Fair has added. They bought a park that's a four hour drive from and a competitor to their flagship park and still added some awesome, world-class thrill rides. The addition of Diamondback in 2009 was what really sparked my enthusiasm for the hobby and quenched my thirst for an awesome first drop that was previously satisfied by Son of Beast, whose only good moment was the first drop. Banshee and Mystic aren't too bad, either. Now we're looking forward to a B&M giga next year, something I doubt Paramount would have built.

 

I miss Son of Beast; I wish they could have smoothed it out and actually made it a good ride, but it looks like that simply wasn't possible. I miss the backwards racer. I miss Nick Universe. I'm sad that I never got a chance to ride Volcano. I regret that I never rode Tomb Raider. I think Backlot really doesn't live up to its potential. But all in all, I'm happy with where the park has come.

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