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p. 792 - Camp Cedar campground to open in 2021!

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the moaning over the Giga is indeed annoying. It will be fun no matter what.

 

But I do understand some "mild" disappointment if indeed the ride is mostly high off the ground and a very short ride experience. In particular, Kings Island has a pretty unique wooden, slightly hilly landscape, that is perfect for terrain coasters (like the Beast) -- why not take greater advantage of it? If *I* were designing the ride (and I should be!), I would have kept as much as possible low to the ground, with low turns, to be a Beast-like counterpart through the woods, which would be amazing. It may also reduce costs to have fewer high supports (but see below).

 

That said, the obvious problem is that at these giga velocities you can eat up a ton of track and space in the blink of an eye (and there goes your cost savings). Probably the only way a low-to-the-ground design could work with a giga would be to have the first have more traditional "hills" and then bleed a lot of speed out of it in a mid-course brake (shudder) and have the second half be the extended low-to-the-ground experience.

 

But, jeez, some parks don't get anything like this -- ever....

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As a side note, is it sacriligeous to secretly wish for an RMC conversion of the Beast?

 

It feels wrong to even type that, but there is a part of me that would think they could do an amazing thing with that layout and track length. To be honest, the only thing I would miss would be that out-of-control feeling on the helix which would be hard to replicate with steel track, but imagine what RMC could do with the first leg through the woods, peppering it with bunny hills, surprise inversions, and other goodies.

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Maybe I'm just getting older, but I have absolutely nothing to say about the giga until it opens and I get to ride it. I've learned that plans and POVs don't always reflect the actual ride experience, so why bother psyching myself up or out over what may be an incredible or underwhelming ride? I'll be looking forward to trying it out when it opens.

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I find that there are two different types/personalities of "coaster enthusiast" that I've encountered. There are the ones you encounter online that are just awful, whiny, pissy, insert-insulting trait here, that I have rarely ever actually encountered at parks - then there are the rest of us that probably know more than we need to know about the hobby, but can laugh at ourselves and generally enjoy it.

 

on another note, I may or may not have resembled the high school students you were referring to I was the master of being "tragic and misunderstood," but in my defense - it was the 80's.

 

On the Kings Island front - good for them! This will be yet another reason why I need to get back there (as if nighttime Beast rides were not enough.)

 

David

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As a side note, is it sacriligeous to secretly wish for an RMC conversion of the Beast?

 

It feels wrong to even type that, but there is a part of me that would think they could do an amazing thing with that layout and track length. To be honest, the only thing I would miss would be that out-of-control feeling on the helix which would be hard to replicate with steel track, but imagine what RMC could do with the first leg through the woods, peppering it with bunny hills, surprise inversions, and other goodies.

 

Stop wishing. It's not going to happen. It would be a dumb investment, because The Beast is currently, and likely always will be, popular with guests. Even the Cedar Fair recognizes that it's an icon and guests love the nostalgia. It makes zero financial sense.

 

As far as your Giga coaster goes, your guests are going to blackout with all of that speed and none of it killed off by any significant hills. Congratulations on your new job at Schlitterbahn.

 

Here's the perfect place for your ideas:

https://www.planetcoaster.com/en-gb

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Re: guests blacking out on a low-level giga

 

Not necessarily. The whole ride doesn't need to be low to the ground after the main hill. Just space out the hills a bit and keep the low-level stuff in between. Also, Intimidator 305 proved that a lot of high hills to bleed off speed aren't a total necessity for a gigacoaster. I think the perfect blend is somewhere in the middle: enough terrain hugging to keep things interesting with the massive hills sprinkled in for good measure and variety.

 

I think this will be a solid ride, but I can understand the sentiments of those who maybe wish it used the terrain to its advantage a bit more.

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Re: guests blacking out on a low-level giga

 

Not necessarily. The whole ride doesn't need to be low to the ground after the main hill. Just space out the hills a bit and keep the low-level stuff in between. Also, Intimidator 305 proved that a lot of high hills to bleed off speed aren't a total necessity for a gigacoaster. I think the perfect blend is somewhere in the middle: enough terrain hugging to keep things interesting with the massive hills sprinkled in for good measure and variety.

 

I think this will be a solid ride, but I can understand the sentiments of those who maybe wish it used the terrain to its advantage a bit more.

 

Cool, man. Make sure to create it in No-Limits with KI terrain so we can all see. I'm fascinated.

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Stop wishing. It's not going to happen. It would be a dumb investment, because The Beast is currently, and likely always will be, popular with guests. Even the Cedar Fair recognizes that it's an icon and guests love the nostalgia. It makes zero financial sense.

 

Not to mention the fact you'd have to reconstruct most of the ride just to make the conversion interesting. Beast is mostly flat straightaways aside from the final helix. You'd have to rebuild most of it from the footers up with lateral and vertical movement to make it interesting as an RMC.

 

IMHO the only real improvement I'd like to see would be slight profile changes to allow it to run faster. Otherwise I think they're better off just leaving it as-is.

 

Looking forward to whatever the new coaster turns out to be...

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The only changes I’d want to see done to The Beast are...

1. Ease up on the trim brakes or remove where possible

2. Add small airtime hills to some of the straight stretches

3. Headrest free buzz bar trains

 

Among any other small improvements. It’s a great unique ride but honestly during the day most of it isn’t that great. At night the darkness makes it better but I definitely don’t think the experience meets the hype. That being said it is a one of a kind experience and I appreciate that. Oh and please never RMC it or any unique classic woodie.

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^Yep. On one hand there's so many great coasters to ride. But because of reference dependence, these great new coasters make the coasters of years' past seem less impressive, and/or there creates a sort of jadedness among some where anything thats not uber-intense RMC or Intamin seem "meh".

 

Case in point, Fury ranking #13 overall in the latest poll :/

 

The only changes I’d want to see done to The Beast are...

1. Ease up on the trim brakes or remove where possible

 

This for certain would not be feasible.

 

And contrary to some belief, the Beast runs no appreciable amount slower than it did Opening Day 1979. The degree to which its braked has remained the same, only the method has changed. Used to be skid brakes which would slow the train gradually, where as the magnetic trims more abruptly, thus creating the feeling that its being slowed down more when in reality it isn't.

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Let the record show that I think Beast is still the best (and by far the most fun) ride in the park! I thought that it'd start to feel dated by now, but I've enjoyed it every time. It still feels bonkers to me, even with trims, and rides like SkyRush haven't changed that. Please, no touching Beast or other classics like the Coney Island Cyclone, aside from more traditional rehabs.

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Let the record show that I think Beast is still the best (and by far the most fun) ride in the park! I thought that it'd start to feel dated by now, but I've enjoyed it every time. It still feels bonkers to me, even with trims, and rides like SkyRush haven't changed that. Please, no touching Beast or other classics like the Coney Island Cyclone, aside from more traditional rehabs.

 

 

Yup. Basically, GCI is the only outside company that should be touching rides like these...

 

And I agree about Beast. Always has been my personal favorite, and probably always will at KI. The other top ones are great in their own right, but the Beast is just so unique and one-of-a-kind in every way.

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I couldn't agree more and I'll add Screaming Eagle to that list.

 

I was thinking about the complaints of the length of the new Giga. This isn't SF Great America where every ride is 30 seconds long, so I take that into consideration when looking at the park as a whole. Diamondback and Mystic Timbers have pretty good length. Banshee is long for its coaster type. Beast is exceptionally long. They can't all be four minutes long.

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There's a difference between the people who are slightly disappointed and the people who keep crying like little bitches.

Great way to put it. I have experienced some level of disappointment for it not being as tall/record-breaking/long as my pipe dreams had hoped, but I'm still overjoyed for the park getting a coaster like this and I will still be there and happily marathon the thing, and I can't wait to ride it during Haunt no matter how it turns out.

 

This culture reminds me of high school when there were groups of people that had a greater interest in music and it lead them to lesser known underground bands in order to maintain a false sense of intellectual and creative exclusivity. They would get together in their little anti-social clicks and talk shit on all of the people who were perfectly content with having a good time listening to basic bitch Pop Culture hits and not giving two ffcks about taking music more seriously.

You just described me in high school I will not reveal the names of the other forums I joined around '07 but they may or may not have involved "emo" culture and us forum regulars frequently tearing into the n00bs to set them straight that emo isn't a style, it's a type of music and you've probably never heard of any true emo bands.

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on another note, I may or may not have resembled the high school students you were referring to I was the master of being "tragic and misunderstood," but in my defense - it was the 80's.

But neither of you spent your angsty teenage years during the mid-2000s "emo era".

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Also I'm going to see Emery and Hawthorne Heights play a 15-year reunion next week so I'm getting into the spirit early...

Also if you asked me in '07 I would have said neither of those bands are "true emo"

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There's a difference between the people who are slightly disappointed and the people who keep crying like little bitches.

Great way to put it. I have experienced some level of disappointment for it not being as tall/record-breaking/long as my pipe dreams had hoped, but I'm still overjoyed for the park getting a coaster like this and I will still be there and happily marathon the thing, and I can't wait to ride it during Haunt no matter how it turns out.

 

Personally I will be disappointed if it's not better than Fury. But just because it's not taller, faster and/or longer than Fury doesn't mean it can't be better. Look at Millennium Force and Expedition GeForce...

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We already know that the setting for this coaster is much different than Fury as it's located in the back of the park. I think many of the elements will be really similar, but, just like Fury, I think we'll see some innovative things. Look at the helix on the blueprints (Not posted here yet but someone from KIC scanned these high-resolution images: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DSj3IBP1_GI9h7JhU7217zdiO-LQbNU9/view) The spot labeled "top #6" is an a really interesting position. Also, the fact that the drop is 300ft and the second "top" only 183ft above the low point of the drop tells me something funny might be happening there.

 

KI and Carowinds are hardly competitors. I think they'll try to keep this coaster as different from Millennium Force as they can, but also different from Diamondback. I don't think Fury will play into the equation that much at all.

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