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While I suspect that that Firehawk was removed primarily because it was a maintenance nuisance, the theory that they removed it because its replacement will be a flyer is an intriguing one. I'd still bet on a giga, but am not opposed to a flyer at all, especially if it's anything like Tatsu, Manta, Starry Sky Ripper or Flying Dinosaur. Although I think flyers are best when they interact with the terrain or are themed heavily, which wouldn't be the case at KI.

Maybe not the exact plot of land that Firehawk was on, but there are plenty of trees and nice terrain that it could interact with if that were to be the case. They could make it nice, if they wanted to.

 

I think that a B&M flying coaster not already existing in the chain lends more credibility. Putting aside all giga rumors and logic, assume for one minute we absolutely knew it was not going to be a giga. Besides maybe Banshee, the last 15 years of KI additions have been coasters that are very dissimilar to what CP has/has recently added. CP has a good B&M wing coaster and dive coaster added in the last 16 years. So if KI wanted a B&M, (and in this scenario we're assuming it is not a giga) that was not like anything at CP, then a flyer would make sense. And it would also make sense to take out Firehawk, because then the GP would be like, "Ooh shiny new Firehawk!"

 

I still do think (and damn sure hope!) that a giga is gonna happen, but it could also just be all of our giga hopefulness that we haven't thought of this other option.

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Get over it man.  You've made your point and we get it; it's silly that this park did not do a Winterfest-lite.  Make the 8 hour drive to KD if you want to experience that, just like all of us with KD

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As much as I really want a giga, the only thing that would please me more is a B&M junior inverted coaster where Firehawk went. This, of course, would be after tremendous social media hype. KI enthusiasts might actually get physically ill.

 

And yes. I already know a junior suspended coaster exists, which would just add to the whole experience.

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B&M Flyers never exactly took off and captured the hearts and imaginations of the parks the way that other coaster types did. Since 2002, 11 have been built in the world -- only 5 in America. None have been built in America since 2009 - Manta. It seems to me that this is a design that just isn't a fad anymore, or its a "checking all the box" coaster - for bigger parks that just want one of everything. Seeing as King's Island doesn't have a Giga, RMC, or a few other things, I don't see this as a box that they're interested in checking.

 

I think that B&M has moved on from inverts and flyers to vertical drop coasters, wing coasters, and hypers/gigas.

 

And if KI wanted a flyer in their park, they would have just kept their old one. Not spent money to remove it and build a new one from scratch that's slightly better.

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B&M hasn't moved on from any of those models. Parks have. It's a park's decision in the direction they want to go based on trends.

 

If a park wants a B&M Invert or Flying coaster, they'll order one and B&M will produce one. KI in conjunction with CF has proved that they don't give a damn. A flyer would likely be just as popular as the addition of Banshee.

 

As I said before, a flyer is NOT far fetched, especially for KI. I personally don't think it's as likely as other models and I wouldn't want to see that happen, but I think there's better of a chance of KI getting a flyer than anywhere else in the US. That's also considering the benefits of diversity between KI and CP with CF selling combined passes for both parks.

 

 

I think that B&M has moved on from inverts

True.

 

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B&M is building an invert at Gröna Lund as we speak and Flying Dinosaur isn't even two years old. Like Zach said, if a park wants something then they'll build it.

 

I agree that I'm leaning towards the giga but nothing from the B&M catalog would shock me (well... except maybe a standup).

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(well... except maybe a standup)

 

 

 

I could definitely see SFSTL constructing one if they decide to add their first 'new' steel coaster in 20 years.

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B&M hasn't moved on from any of those models. Parks have. It's a park's decision in the direction they want to go based on trends.

 

If a park wants a B&M Invert or Flying coaster, they'll order one and B&M will produce one. KI in conjunction with CF has proved that they don't give a damn. A flyer would likely be just as popular as the addition of Banshee.

 

As I said before, a flyer is NOT far fetched, especially for KI. I personally don't think it's as likely as other models and I wouldn't want to see that happen, but I think there's better of a chance of KI getting a flyer than anywhere else in the US. That's also considering the benefits of diversity between KI and CP with CF selling combined passes for both parks.

 

 

I think that B&M has moved on from inverts

True.

 

 

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I'd say that one coaster being built in 6, going on 7 years when so many were built in the 90's is a telling sign. Supposedly one is being built in 2021, but to me it still sounds like crickets for B&M's inverted business.

 

https://rcdb.com/r.htm?ot=2&ml=6717&page=1&order=-8

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You missed the point, which was that everyone thought the inverted model was extinct. Turns out that wasn't the case.

 

I think that B&M has moved on from inverts and flyers to vertical drop coasters, wing coasters, and hypers/gigas.

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I'm sure they would too, I just don't think anyone would want one. Cedar Fair has made it quite clear what they think of standup coasters (and I agree with their assessment).

 

I agree, just making a point they'll do whatever parks pay for. I just hope parks choose their other options.

 

Although I have really enjoyed my recent rides on Riddler's Revenge and Green Lantern.

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What I don't understand about B&M standups is why haven't they tried a vest restraint? That would solve at least one of the many ways their standups are inferior to Togo's.

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I'd say that one coaster being built in 6, going on 7 years when so many were built in the 90's is a telling sign. Supposedly one is being built in 2021, but to me it still sounds like crickets for B&M's inverted business.

 

https://rcdb.com/r.htm?ot=2&ml=6717&page=1&order=-8

 

Or perhaps not so many are being built now compared to the '90s because so many parks already have one... you know when they built them in the 90's?

 

People said dive coasters were dead after Oblivion/G9 and look how many have been built after Sheikra. One just opened in Korea. People said Flyers were dead after AIR/Superman and we've seen a few in China/Japan in recent years. Now if you'd said it's crickets for the aquatrax business (RIP Atlantis's water jets), I might have listened.

 

The only difference between now and the 90's is if a park decides on a B&M and approaches them they have a much bigger catalog to choose from on what they want.

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I'd say that one coaster being built in 6, going on 7 years when so many were built in the 90's is a telling sign. Supposedly one is being built in 2021, but to me it still sounds like crickets for B&M's inverted business.

 

https://rcdb.com/r.htm?ot=2&ml=6717&page=1&order=-8

 

Or perhaps not so many are being built now compared to the '90s because so many parks already have one... you know when they built them in the 90's?

 

People said dive coasters were dead after Oblivion/G9 and look how many have been built after Sheikra. One just opened in Korea. People said Flyers were dead after AIR/Superman and we've seen a few in China/Japan in recent years. Now if you'd said it's crickets for the aquatrax business (RIP Atlantis's water jets), I might have listened.

 

The only difference between now and the 90's is if a park decides on a B&M and approaches them they have a much bigger catalog to choose from on what they want.

 

I'm sure that what I bolded is a huge factor too. I agree with you on that. But you have to admit that there are fads and trends in the industry.

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(well... except maybe a standup)

 

 

 

I could definitely see SFSTL constructing one if they decide to add their first 'new' steel coaster in 20 years.

As long as they use the old trains from Vortex (CGA).

 

I don't like flyers, but now I officially hope that it is.

 

The reaction (enthusiast and GP) would be priceless

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Video of Firehawk's loop (and last major section?) coming down, courtesy of O'Rourke Wrecking Company:

 

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So after watching this, I'm assuming that if they were hoping to sell the coaster and relocate it, they would have taken a more ginger approach to taking it down? Is letting the track crash into the ground like that something that you would only do if the steel was just going to be scrapped?

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