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I seriously doubt that there is if for no other reason than Six Flags does it *all the time* and Dollywood does it *all the time* and BGW does it *all the time* and SDC does it *all the time*.

 

This. Not to mention that Cedar Fair does it all the time too.

 

Does anyone honestly believe that Cedar Fair would give a sh*t about this if it were (let's just say) 38 degrees on the final Saturday of Haunt with 30k+ people in the park? Every coaster at Cedar Point, Valleyfair and Kings Dominion has operated below this arbitrary number at one point and the same is likely true for many other parks in the chain.

 

I'm pretty sure it was below those temps for Steel Vengeance, Twisted Timbers and Banshee media day. Did they send the media home?

 

Plus, while they don't run many coasters for Winterfest they've already run Dominator, Racer75, Afterburn and others below 40 degrees and they ran Mystic Timbers into the high teens / low 20's last year routinely. They even sent a test train when the tracks were covered in snow and it ended up stopped somewhere in the woods.

 

I'll share just a few pictures for now to whet the appetite and in case I never get around to posting the rest, at least I contributed a little holiday cheer to this thread

 

Great photos!

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To be fair, every ride, park, and chain will all have somewhat unique operating practices.

 

I remember being in line for Mantis when it shut down in the rain and then wouldn't re-open until after they completed the block check again. That is something we most definitely did not do at SFMM with RRv.

 

None of us truly know, so we're all assuming at this point.

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LOL, well, yeah - of course parks have different policies. I think that's the gist of the last two pages. They can change them too. Cedar Point used to run their coasters in the rain up until the Magnum incident where two trains bumped. Then this year, it was back to running in the rain again. What changed? Certainly wasn't state law.

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LOL, well, yeah - of course parks have different policies. I think that's the gist of the last two pages. They can change them too. Cedar Point used to run their coasters in the rain up until the Magnum incident where two trains bumped. Then this year, it was back to running in the rain again. What changed? Certainly wasn't state law.

 

I think I read somewhere that after the bump magnum was retrofitted with a magnetic braking system. I could easily be wrong though so if I am please don't burn me at the stake

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LOL, well, yeah - of course parks have different policies. I think that's the gist of the last two pages. They can change them too. Cedar Point used to run their coasters in the rain up until the Magnum incident where two trains bumped. Then this year, it was back to running in the rain again. What changed? Certainly wasn't state law.

 

Every state that has laws on the books regarding amusement rides essentially boil down to: follow your SOP's. So technically the "state law" thing is true, so long as the park has their policy in the SOP...

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I seriously doubt that there is if for no other reason than Six Flags does it *all the time* and Dollywood does it *all the time* and BGW does it *all the time* and SDC does it *all the time*.

 

This. Not to mention that Cedar Fair does it all the time too.

 

Does anyone honestly believe that Cedar Fair would give a sh*t about this if it were (let's just say) 38 degrees on the final Saturday of Haunt with 30k+ people in the park? Every coaster at Cedar Point, Valleyfair and Kings Dominion has operated below this arbitrary number at one point and the same is likely true for many other parks in the chain.

 

I'm pretty sure it was below those temps for Steel Vengeance, Twisted Timbers and Banshee media day. Did they send the media home?

 

Plus, while they don't run many coasters for Winterfest they've already run Dominator, Racer75, Afterburn and others below 40 degrees and they ran Mystic Timbers into the high teens / low 20's last year routinely. They even sent a test train when the tracks were covered in snow and it ended up stopped somewhere in the woods.

 

I'll share just a few pictures for now to whet the appetite and in case I never get around to posting the rest, at least I contributed a little holiday cheer to this thread

 

Great photos!

 

KD also ran Dominator on the day in 2012 that hurricane Sandy blew Star Jet into the ocean, and I have no idea how much cold alone it would take to slow it down as much as the cold and wind combined slowed it down that day. Nevertheless, now that it's Winterfest they're cutting it at 39 degrees exactly, even if it's already running. They closed it about 5:30 on last Friday (5:00 park opening) which would have been about that temperature. They even sent around only 4 people in the train after cutting the line, certainly not something you'd do if there were actual problems completing the course.

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Just my two cents on the temperature thing. It isn't necessarily just the temperature that plays a role. It's the amount of time it takes for the trains to make a circuit. There usually is a time that once it passes, it becomes more of a probability instead of a possibility that the train will valley. Take into account how long it takes for the train to stop moving enough to clamp, temperature, and time to evacuate the train, it would make more sense to err on the side of caution. If the daytime temperature doesn't warm up enough, you're talking about the grease not getting loose enough to even think about it. I'm no expert but I wouldn't want to be stuck on a coaster in 30s waiting to be pulled off in a lift.

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There usually is a time that once it passes, it becomes more of a probability instead of a possibility that the train will valley.

 

This is exactly the opposite of how it generally works (at least on all of Great Adventure's coasters that run for Holiday in the Park). As time passes the rides run faster and faster as they keep cycling to the point where even if the temperature drops considerably (or the wind picks up considerably) after dark the rides haul ass because they've been running for about 5 hours straight. If a ride is going to valley it will almost always do it at the beginning of the day (probably during testing).

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The focus of Winterfest doesn't seem to be on rides, which is contrary to Six Flags. Both park chains offer different experiences. I think if there's any chance one of their few coasters which are open might valley, it's just serves them no purpose to risk it when they clearly don't cater to thrill seekers for Winterfest. Six Flags may operate rides in colder temperatures, because it needs them to draw a crowd.

 

As much as I enjoy HITP, I think the strategy that CF takes is smarter. Less wear and tear. Less maintenance. Less staffing. More focus on Holiday activities. If I had kids, I would be more interested in taking them to a Winterfest event vs. HITP. I personally don't think the ride operations at Cedar Fair have anything to do with laws that possibly don't exist and manufacturer's recommendations. It's also important to remember that a manufacturer's recommendations may have nothing to do with safety and more to do with the general performance of the ride.

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And I'm gonna be perfectly honest, repeat rides on roller coasters in 30 degree weather isn't as amazing the 4th or 5th time around as you might think. Eventually all you'll wanna do is warm up. I didn't even bother doing Mystic Timbers last visit, even tho I'm sure it was a walk-on by the end of the night.

 

Besides, Winterfest is more for slowing down and enjoying the lights and skating and entertainment all around the park. Every corner seems to have different entertainers singing, taking photos with you, parading you around in a horse-drawn stagecoach or riding around in a vintage automobile waving at folks.

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There usually is a time that once it passes, it becomes more of a probability instead of a possibility that the train will valley.

 

This is exactly the opposite of how it generally works (at least on all of Great Adventure's coasters that run for Holiday in the Park). As time passes the rides run faster and faster as they keep cycling to the point where even if the temperature drops considerably (or the wind picks up considerably) after dark the rides haul A$$ because they've been running for about 5 hours straight. If a ride is going to valley it will almost always do it at the beginning of the day (probably during testing).

 

Difference is during normal season, rides start cycling much earlier in the day. During Winterfest, rides done start cycling until at most 2 hours before open.

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...okay. I’m not even sure what point you’re trying to make.

 

Why are we still on this? If they wanted to run more coasters then they could. We know that because Six Flags exists. As Zach said, Cedar Fair and Six Flags just have different approaches to their events.

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And I'm gonna be perfectly honest, repeat rides on roller coasters in 30 degree weather isn't as amazing the 4th or 5th time around as you might think.

Unless it's the haunt and you're absolutely blasted on Yuengling.

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The focus of Winterfest doesn't seem to be on rides, which is contrary to Six Flags. Both park chains offer different experiences. I think if there's any chance one of their few coasters which are open might valley, it's just serves them no purpose to risk it when they clearly don't cater to thrill seekers for Winterfest. Six Flags may operate rides in colder temperatures, because it needs them to draw a crowd.

 

As much as I enjoy HITP, I think the strategy that CF takes is smarter. Less wear and tear. Less maintenance. Less staffing. More focus on Holiday activities. If I had kids, I would be more interested in taking them to a Winterfest event vs. HITP. I personally don't think the ride operations at Cedar Fair have anything to do with laws that possibly don't exist and manufacturer's recommendations. It's also important to remember that a manufacturer's recommendations may have nothing to do with safety and more to do with the general performance of the ride.

 

They both take up a lot of personnel time - you need bodies to rent skates and clean the ice after all - but ultimately the point is valid that I think each company approaches the events different. Cedar Fair's perspective is more along the lines of what Hershey, Kennywood, and BGW do in how limited their ride options are, and Six Flags is going to be Six Flags for better or worse because their infrastructure is more limited. Personally I like that when I go to SFOG in a couple weeks, there's gonna be coasters and flat rides galore. Thought that ruled about SFSTL too. I don't want to make a long (like 5+ hour) drive just to go drink hot cocoa.

 

Anyways, is it "smarter" what CF does? Maybe, maybe not - I don't have the books in front of me to tell you what the visitation looks like, how they generate spending, etc. But I don't believe that they have "legal" impediments to running many of their coasters for even a half a second. I'm not some naive teenager.

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And I'm gonna be perfectly honest, repeat rides on roller coasters in 30 degree weather isn't as amazing the 4th or 5th time around as you might think.

Unless it's the haunt and you're absolutely blasted on Yuengling.

 

I've never ridden a roller coaster under the influence of alcohol I always assumed it would just make you vomit.

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I still need to try blue ice cream.

 

I've never ridden a roller coaster under the influence of alcohol I always assumed it would just make you vomit.

 

Nah, bruh. Maybe if you drink too much. The only time I ever got close to being sick was in the dark ride portion of Verbolten. But... I go pretty hard for two park scenarios:

 

1) Haunts

2) Every trip to BGW

 

If I feel absolutely miserable the next day the mission is accomplished. Other than that, I'm a pretty conservative drinker in general.

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I'll take sub-40 degree rides any day over having a splitting headache from being dehydrated in the 95 degree sun all day. Some of the best rides I've ever had at a park were this past April on Banshee and Beast after dark with temps in the 30s.

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I'll take sub-40 degree rides any day over having a splitting headache from being dehydrated in the 95 degree sun all day. Some of the best rides I've ever had at a park were this past April on Banshee and Beast after dark with temps in the 30s.

Agreed. The last two summers there have been at least one or two park days when I started to get heat exhaustion but at no point have I nearly gotten hypothermia from visiting in the cold. That could also just be a testament to my cold and heat tolerance levels but still.

 

Also is there even blue ice cream during WinterFest? It looked like the Snoopy place was closed and I'm not aware of anywhere else in park that sells it. If there is then please tell me where.

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And I'm gonna be perfectly honest, repeat rides on roller coasters in 30 degree weather isn't as amazing the 4th or 5th time around as you might think.

 

Whatever you say...

 

Haha seriously. Weren't both of those were taken during like hour-long sessions? I love the eagle in the first one.

 

I've said it here before but its always hilarious to me when enthusiasts scoff at riding in the cold, as if other outdoor activities don't exist in the winter. Bundle up and grow a pair.

 

I've never ridden a roller coaster under the influence of alcohol

Oh god, you haven't lived. We're obviously lit up like a Christmas tree in that second photo.

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