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Front seat on Beast at night. Racer and vortex might not be for you. Do firehawk first thing the line moves dreadfully slow. Banshee can be done at any point of the day the line moves quick.

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Beast is so trimmed it's really not that rough. I'm in the minority who thinks this is a good thing. Lean slightly forward for a better ride and avoid wheel seats.

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I'm heading to KI and CP this June, and playing with the idea of switching out one day at KI to make a loooong day trip to Dollywood since I missed out on Lightning Rod last year (if it behaves this time).

 

My question concerning KI is about FastLane. I'm already sold on the value of it at this park specifically, so no need to try to convince me. I know this park has one of the best setups when it comes to those lines, but are there any that don't basically dump you right into the station? Thinking back on my previous trips it seems like on any of them that matter to have FL, you get right into the station with it.

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I can't recall any of the FL+ options that don't dump you into the station. Even Banshee and Mystic Timbers dump you right in. The groupers are also very generous with sending you into the station on the next available train and they usually keep the station capacity at one train. Even during the haunt when the FL+ lines can sometimes be 20-30 people deep, which is still rare throughout the day, I don't recall ever waiting more than 5 minutes to get into the station. Being spoiled at KI made our last CP FL+ uses feel disappointing. Carowinds and Kings Dominion also make great use of their FL+. Mid size parks FTW.

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1. Overall, I dislike jerky/rough coasters. I know Beast is obviously not going to be a picnic, but it's essential so I will deal with it. Any tips for minimizing discomfort on Beast and overall?

2. Diamondback's trains are so long, I'm guessing the ride is extremely different front vs. back. What's that comparison like?

 

There are rougher rides in the park than The Beast. My best advice would be to have some Tylenol on hand with you. I visited on a humid, muggy day, and, after getting bashed around on Flight of Fear (snappy transitions, taken in the dark = ragdoll effect) and then staring into the sun on Firehawk, I was pretty nauseous and had a headache for most of my visit. YMMV, but Invertigo, Vortex, Flight of Fear, and Racer are all rough rides, and Firehawk is somewhat unpleasant as much of it is backwards / upsidedown / facing the sun. The Beast, although fairly rough, is far more rideable I think — and it deserves multiple rides based on its history alone. Diamondback, however, is incredible. I personally prefer the back seat, but it's great everywhere. Although I'm not one for ranking, I think that's my favorite coaster, period. It's a great park with unique must-rides, but I'd plan for roughness.

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The last couple seasons Racer didn't seem as rough. Flight of fear has never bothered me either and I'm kind of a pussy when it comes to being uncomfortable on rides. I'm right there with you on Firehawk and Vortex, though. B&M flyers make me sick and Firehawk had twice the nausea factor for me.

 

I couldn't agree more with you on Diamondback. It may not be my very favorite roller coaster, but I don't think any other B&M hyper I've ridden even comes close to D-back. Its use of the terrain and sweeping curves at the bottom of the drops makes the coaster top notch. I can't say enough good things about this park. Beer Man is everywhere and there's also a full service Starbucks. This park is my lobster.

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I think that with Flight of Fear, some familiarity with the layout helps. I've found the transitions on Premier spaghetti launchers to be quite sharp — smooth, but still jarring. I went into it with a good sense of what it was going to do, but still got flung around pretty bad. It's an intense layout, and it's hard to prepare for the twists, but thank dog that it's a lapbar ride. And yeah, when I rode Racer, it wasn't that bad. Typical old woodie roughness on the bottom of the dips, but nothing overly painful. I'd say the roughness was on par with The Beast, only on The Beast it's more sustained. I was in such a bad state that day, though, that I think even the slightest jolt was amplified. I kept taking breaks by riding Windseeker and Delirium — two rides that I find relaxing.

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Lean slightly forward for a better ride and avoid wheel seats.

 

Amen to this. I made the mistake of sitting in a wheel seat, and the ride was pretty miserable. I then rode in the front seat at night that same day and it was glossy smooth. It's quite remarkable how much of a difference wheel vs non-wheel seats are.

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I can't recall any of the FL+ options that don't dump you into the station. Even Banshee and Mystic Timbers dump you right in. The groupers are also very generous with sending you into the station on the next available train and they usually keep the station capacity at one train. Even during the haunt when the FL+ lines can sometimes be 20-30 people deep, which is still rare throughout the day, I don't recall ever waiting more than 5 minutes to get into the station. Being spoiled at KI made our last CP FL+ uses feel disappointing. Carowinds and Kings Dominion also make great use of their FL+. Mid size parks FTW.

 

That's about what I thought. Thanks for the info!

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PARK QUESTIONS:

1. Is there a certain order that seems to work best for hitting the attractions? I'm not opposed to FL+ since I'm getting in for free, but am hesitant to pre-purchase if I don't end up needing it.

 

 

 

If you're looking at the KI map, I have found that on a BUSY DAY starting in the back and working my way counterclockwise is best with some exceptions that I will talk about later. At opening the majority rush in the direction of Banshee. If you start in the back the lines for Mystic Timbers, Diamondback, and The Beast will be at their shortest. Up until last year I would hit Diamondback first but with Mystic Timbers being new I hit that first, then Diamondback. That's probably still the best way to go. Some may argue that it's best to hit Diamondback first because you're passing it to get to MT but they are just about right next to each other and MT will probably have a longer line if you're hitting that 2nd.

 

Moving counterclockwise the Beast is next, and here is the first exception, Backlot Stunt Coaster would be next in line, but I would skip it here and hit Vortex, and then Windseeker is right next to Vortex. But I would skip Windseeker too for the same reason I would skip Backlot because next you are going to head down the Coney Mall to hit Firehawk, Flight of Fear, and the Racer.

 

The reason I advise skipping those attractions for now is because you need to beat the people who started their day off on Banshee to Firehawk. Some will say why not skip Vortex too because it's a crappy Arrow, my response would be, first, I actually enjoy Vortex, and second, the line for that will be long later in the day on a busy day.

 

So after Vortex get to Firehawk as fast as you can, then Flight of Fear is right there, and so is the Racer. Adventure Express is a fun mine train, that would be next.

 

When you get off Adventure Express what order you hit the rest in really doesn't matter. You're going to head for the Banshee area for Banshee (obviously), Delirium, Drop Tower, The Bat, and Invertigo. Congo Falls is also right there if you're looking to cool off. The lines for all those attractions will most likely be shorter by then.

 

On a busy day I have accomplished all that in under 3 hours. Then you have the rest of the day to hit the ones you skipped, re-ride's, and anything else.

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I repectfully disagree with that entire post. On a busy day you need to get to the slowest lines first. At rope drop I advise going straight back to Firehawk and then Flight of Fear. Those lines are the slowest in the parks and could be over an hour wait by noon. After that Stunt Coaster is a slow line so I would head over there. After that most lines move quickly except invertigo but that is at the other end of the park and requires a long walk while taking you away from most of the good coasters. Vortex, Diamondback and Banshee are people eaters. Racer usually does better after noon when they open up the second side and Adventure Express full line is only 20 minutes. The Bat rarely gets long lines.

 

The big take away is getting Firehawk first thing because it is a slow painful line.

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Yeah I would definitely hit Firehawk and flight of fear then head around the corner to beast, mystic, and diamondback. Everything else will be manageable the whole day, excluding invertigo but who cares about that ride anyways.

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^I’ve has multiple midwestern friends tell me in the past week that Invertigo is their favorite ride in the park. I just don’t understand.

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^I’ve has multiple midwestern friends tell me in the past week that Invertigo is their favorite ride in the park. I just don’t understand.

 

I can understand not completely hating Invertigo (I rather enjoy it), but I agree that saying it is the best ride in the park is... strange.

 

For me, that title goes to Banshee.

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I quite like Invertigo. Quirky, surprisingly intense ride. But I wouldn't go as far as to call it my favorite (that goes to Diamondback, then Banshee, then Mystic Timbers, then FoF). It's nothing compared to other insanely rough steelies I've been on, even Vortex is a bit more brutal than it imo.

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I repectfully disagree with that entire post. On a busy day you need to get to the slowest lines first. At rope drop I advise going straight back to Firehawk and then Flight of Fear. Those lines are the slowest in the parks and could be over an hour wait by noon. After that Stunt Coaster is a slow line so I would head over there. After that most lines move quickly except invertigo but that is at the other end of the park and requires a long walk while taking you away from most of the good coasters. Vortex, Diamondback and Banshee are people eaters. Racer usually does better after noon when they open up the second side and Adventure Express full line is only 20 minutes. The Bat rarely gets long lines.

 

The big take away is getting Firehawk first thing because it is a slow painful line.

 

My opinion comes from experience. I've been going to KI for a very long time and tried different routes including yours (but I also hit the Racer), even before MT was built, and I was never able to get as many attractions done in 3 hours. If you hit Firehawk, Flight of Fear, and Backlot first, IMO from experience you're going to do more waiting than riding. Because the combined lines for Vortex, MT, Diamondback, and the Beast will be more of a wait than the combined lines for Firehawk, Flight of Fear, and Backlot. And if Backlot gets long at some point it won't stay that way. I've never waited more than 15-20 minutes for it. I usually ride it before getting in line to ride the Beast at night.

 

Now of course every day is different, but that has been my experience. And there's very little chance (if any at all) that in the first 3 hours you will work your way around to Banshee, The Bat, Drop Tower, Delirium, and Invertigo doing it your way. If you do then I would argue it isn't a very busy day.

 

With my route I've waited 20-25 minutes for Firehawk many times on weekends in June/July. Sometimes 30- 35 minutes which is fine if you've already been on MT, Diamondback, Beast, and Vortex. And yes to be fair to you, doing it my way I have seen the Firehawk line get ridiculous. But the original poster said he wouldn't mind getting FL+ if it's a busy day, and I would definitely recommend that.

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My opinion comes from experience. I've been going to KI for a very long time.

 

I've got some years under my belt too. I actually remember the swaying of the Demon steps as I climbed up and the entire Bat debacle. Do you remember the Top Gun crash? That was my first year working that ride and ended up working King Cobra until TG opened back up. I'm sure your plan works just fine but I was giving another point of view for him to consider. I'm sure either way it will be a great day because KI operations are overall good.

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My opinion comes from experience. I've been going to KI for a very long time.

 

I've got some years under my belt too. I actually remember the swaying of the Demon steps as I climbed up and the entire Bat debacle. Do you remember the Top Gun crash? That was my first year working that ride and ended up working King Cobra until TG opened back up. I'm sure your plan works just fine but I was giving another point of view for him to consider. I'm sure either way it will be a great day because KI operations are overall good.

 

I actually try not to remember all the incidents that have happened. You obviously have been going longer than I have as I was never on the Demon. My first visit was in 1990.

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Does Kings Island typically raise the price of their online tickets after the season starts? I'm looking into daily tickets for someone who's going there with me in June, but we're not sure whether we're spending one or two days at the park, and we probably won't know until we're actually on the trip. Would I be better off buying a 2-day ticket now, or waiting until June to figure to figure out which ticket we'll need?

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