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To answer the question above. I know for a fact fast lane plus for Banshee and Diamondback goes straight to the station. I'm pretty sure just about all of the other rides are like that but can't say with certainty

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Yeah, I know that. I was expressing that the FL queue's going straight into the stations on every FL attraction are one of the things that make a park like KI more appealing to me than CP. I just hope they keep with that formula for Mystic Timbers.

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I'm still surprised by the location they chose for Mystic Timbers. I always figured their major expansion plans would have been to go North of Racer and Adventure Express.

I imagine that they have plans for that area. I've heard a couple ideas of a Giga tossed around and if one of the layout becomes true, that area right behind Express where SOB's rosebowl was would be occupied by a turn around.

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I remember waiting like 5 hours or something for Outer Limits on it's opening day back in 1996 , I guess crazy lines for new attractions is nothing new.

 

Nope...

 

 

I rode Diamondback 5 times that day. Longest we waited an an hour and a half.

 

We timed it several times. Back then, a full gueue was 45 from the entrance sign to the top of the stairs.

 

That was a great day.

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I was on the third train out when it opened to the public. After that ride we went to beast and when we got off we saw that the line had circled around by the tower then back towards Beast. It was a pretty crazy site. We had already planned to leave that early so it didn't bother us.

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Back then, a full gueue was 45 from the entrance sign to the top of the stairs.

 

That was a great day.

 

Truth. Our team was the focal point for opening year and management loved encouraging us. We had so much fun, and even had competitions with Behemoth for capacity per hour.

 

Can't remember what our record was but ..maybe 1800-1900?

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I'm still surprised by the location they chose for Mystic Timbers. I always figured their major expansion plans would have been to go North of Racer and Adventure Express.

I imagine that they have plans for that area. I've heard a couple ideas of a Giga tossed around and if one of the layout becomes true, that area right behind Express where SOB's rosebowl was would be occupied by a turn around.

 

Wouldn't shock me if they were to get a giga. I wouldn't be surprised if a Giga were the next coaster to come to the park, but I also would tend to believe it would be in a 5+ year timeline. The park is pretty solid right now and I believe they already have one of the best hypers. I'd imagine it would go right where you're speculating. If it were on the level of Fury, I would make the four hour drive on a pretty regular basis.

 

Sorry for day dreaming out loud...

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I'm still surprised by the location they chose for Mystic Timbers. I always figured their major expansion plans would have been to go North of Racer and Adventure Express.

I imagine that they have plans for that area. I've heard a couple ideas of a Giga tossed around and if one of the layout becomes true, that area right behind Express where SOB's rosebowl was would be occupied by a turn around.

 

Wouldn't shock me if they were to get a giga. I wouldn't be surprised if a Giga were the next coaster to come to the park, but I also would tend to believe it would be in a 5+ year timeline. The park is pretty solid right now and I believe they already have one of the best hypers. I'd imagine it would go right where you're speculating. If it were on the level of Fury, I would make the four hour drive on a pretty regular basis.

 

Sorry for day dreaming out loud...

 

A Giga actually made more sense for 2017 instead of Mystic Timbers IMO, as the park already has a solid wood line up. The fact that the park will now have 3 woodies, makes me think 1 woody might be RMC'd. The likely RMC candidate is Racer getting treated like Colossus to Twisted Colossus. CF is likely going to go on a run of RMC's like SF did. I could see all of the top CF parks, getting a RMC convert. CP-Mean Streak, KD-Hurler are already known, then KI-Racer, Wonderland-Mine Buster, CW-Hurler or if they don't want to do both Hurler's, a ground up RMC. If the my RMC run prediction is right, I think the KI Giga might be put off for a while. They can literally do anything they want at KI as they have land constraints like CP does.

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A Giga actually made more sense for 2017 instead of Mystic Timbers IMO

 

... sure if you ignore the probable 10 to 20 million dollar cost difference between Mystic Timbers and a Giga coaster and the fact that they're already dumping a ton of money into capex (most of which seems to be for Cedar Point). While Mean Streak and the massive Breakers expansion are multi year projects, they're still fronting a ton of money for those now. They're also dumping a ton of money into Breakers Express.

 

Per their Q4 conference call, they're spending $135 million in infrastructure and marketable capital in 2017 already, but are anticipating investing up to $40 million into expansion opportunities regarding resorts, additional sports facilities like the one in Sandusky and the expansion of Winterfest.

 

Last year they were at $160 million and cautioned their investors that they felt that number was "elevated" which suggest that they'd like to be at a slightly lower number. Assuming they end up spending that additional $40 million that they're prepared to spend, they would be $15 million above a number that they already thought was elevated. A giga was never in the budget.

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A Giga actually made more sense for 2017 instead of Mystic Timbers IMO, as the park already has a solid wood line up. The fact that the park will now have 3 woodies, makes me think 1 woody might be RMC'd. The likely RMC candidate is Racer getting treated like Colossus to Twisted Colossus. CF is likely going to go on a run of RMC's like SF did. I could see all of the top CF parks, getting a RMC convert. CP-Mean Streak, KD-Hurler are already known, then KI-Racer, Wonderland-Mine Buster, CW-Hurler or if they don't want to do both Hurler's, a ground up RMC. If the my RMC run prediction is right, I think the KI Giga might be put off for a while. They can literally do anything they want at KI as they have land constraints like CP does.

 

I love RMC a lot. Probably more than I should. But I actually hope they leave all the KI woodies alone. If they modified Racer or Beast, I'm sure they'd be fantastic and I'd ride them and thoroughly enjoy them. But I'd prefer to leave them as they are. You do have a point though, it'll be interesting to see if CF does something similar to what SF did.

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A Giga actually made more sense for 2017 instead of Mystic Timbers IMO, as the park already has a solid wood line up. The fact that the park will now have 3 woodies, makes me think 1 woody might be RMC'd. The likely RMC candidate is Racer getting treated like Colossus to Twisted Colossus. CF is likely going to go on a run of RMC's like SF did. I could see all of the top CF parks, getting a RMC convert. CP-Mean Streak, KD-Hurler are already known, then KI-Racer, Wonderland-Mine Buster, CW-Hurler or if they don't want to do both Hurler's, a ground up RMC. If the my RMC run prediction is right, I think the KI Giga might be put off for a while. They can literally do anything they want at KI as they have land constraints like CP does.

 

I love RMC a lot. Probably more than I should. But I actually hope they leave all the KI woodies alone. If they modified Racer or Beast, I'm sure they'd be fantastic and I'd ride them and thoroughly enjoy them. But I'd prefer to leave them as they are. You do have a point though, it'll be interesting to see if CF does something similar to what SF did.

I feel KI will get their giga in 2022 (50th anniversary). I also feel that if KI were to get an RMC, it would be a ground-up with steel track.

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A Giga actually made more sense for 2017 instead of Mystic Timbers IMO

 

... sure if you ignore the probable 10 to 20 million dollar cost difference between Mystic Timbers and a Giga coaster and the fact that they're already dumping a ton of money into capex (most of which seems to be for Cedar Point). While Mean Streak and the massive Breakers expansion are multi year projects, they're still fronting a ton of money for those now. They're also dumping a ton of money into Breakers Express.

 

Per their Q4 conference call, they're spending $135 million in infrastructure and marketable capital in 2017 already, but are anticipating investing up to $40 million into expansion opportunities regarding resorts, additional sports facilities like the one in Sandusky and the expansion of Winterfest.

 

Last year they were at $160 million and cautioned their investors that they felt that number was "elevated" which suggest that they'd like to be at a slightly lower number. Assuming they end up spending that additional $40 million that they're prepared to spend, they would be $15 million above a number that they already thought was elevated. A giga was never in the budget.

 

 

The Giga made more sense to come before another woody. Not build Mystic in 2017 and get the Giga in 2018/19, as the wood line up is strong enough. The resort, hotel, sports complex are large investments but are a short term burst higher than normal, that's what CF was conveying to investors. That extreme number will not be the norm was the message to the investors. CF however has been steadily increasing capital investments if you look at the numbers over last 7 years or so. The breakers expansion was predicated on the success of the other recent renovation. If you look at the hotel/resort revenue numbers they went up nicely after the last renovation a few years back. Nice ROI. The sports complex will likely also give a nice ROI, as attendees to the tournaments will spend a day at the park and many will stay at the CP hotels.

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The Giga made more sense to come before another woody. Not build Mystic in 2017 and get the Giga in 2018/19, as the wood line up is strong enough. The resort, hotel, sports complex are large investments but are a short term burst higher than normal, that's what CF was conveying to investors. That extreme number will not be the norm was the message to the investors. CF however has been steadily increasing capital investments if you look at the numbers over last 7 years or so. The breakers expansion was predicated on the success of the other recent renovation. If you look at the hotel/resort revenue numbers they went up nicely after the last renovation a few years back. Nice ROI. The sports complex will likely also give a nice ROI, as attendees to the tournaments will spend a day at the park and many will stay at the CP hotels.

 

If the giga "made more sense" then they would have built the giga. As far as the financials and how much they're willing to spend on capex, they made it pretty clear that last year was more than they would generally spend and this year's capex reflects that. Sure there's always going to be steady growth each year (on average), but that doesn't translate to "Let's put a giga coaster at Kings Island in 2017". It's clearly not in the budget, if it was they would have built it or at least spent that extra capital elsewhere.

 

There's really no counter argument, if the park wanted to spend more money they would have and if they thought a giga made more sense than Mystic Timbers they would have bought one.

 

Of course they care about anniversaries. It's something they can market without spending any money.

 

Of course, but the initial comment was directed at the people that think "anniversary year" = "blow the budget on a massive new coaster".

 

Edit....oh wait, here it is!

 

 

I sense a coasterbill comment coming shortly.

 

Glad I could be of service

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