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Kings Island sent out a survey and this one was very interesting to me and would make me happy if it went through. It was asking about the souvenir bottle and if the person would prefer to have a bottleless unlimited drink program similar to how the all season dining works, scan your pass get your drink in disposable cup instead of having to carry around the bottle all summer. I am fully on board with parks going to it being on the pass vs carrying a bottle.

 

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On of the pages from the survey.

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My environmentalist/sustainability side wants to say "No! It saves the environment more if everyone reuses their cups!"

 

However, it's been such a pain in the you-know-where to have to carry those darned cups around. I really enjoyed the free drinks all day when we went to Kentucky Kingdom, and it was similar in that when you wanted a soda, you just went up and showed your wristband and got one. Then, when we were done, we would throw away our cup and board the ride. No need to put a reusable cup in one of the bins.

 

And, when you want to join coasterbill in an adult beverage, you can toss your sugary drink for a different kind of sugar.

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My environmentalist/sustainability side wants to say "No! It saves the environment more if everyone reuses their cups!"

 

However, it's been such a pain in the you-know-where to have to carry those darned cups around...when we were done, we would throw away our cup and board the ride. No need to put a reusable cup in one of the bins.

 

As a ride op at Valleyfair, getting people to throw away the disposable cups was incredibly annoying as they couldn't be taken past the turnstiles. And as someone who has cleaned up many a garbage bag full of liquid, this just seems like a big mess, especially on busy days at the turnstiles--because someone has to go get those bags. Again, there's the environmental factor and I have no idea what the recycling policies are at Kings Island so they must know what they're doing. But the cups do seem like a good idea on paper instead of the bottles for the passholders. I wonder if it would be the same for the single day bottles or not. In any case, I'm interested in hearing what the KI staff have to say on this topic.

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My environmentalist/sustainability side wants to say "No! It saves the environment more if everyone reuses their cups!"

 

I had this same thought but I just decided to keep it to myself and started wondering when the hell I became such a tree-hugger. Then again if someone told me that it was worse to produce slightly less huge plastic souvenir cups that all end up in the garbage than slightly more recyclable paper cups I wouldn't question it. I don't know how this stuff works.

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I have never purchased a souvenir bottle. Even when I received one for free at Coasterstock, I did not use it. It's incredibly inconvenient to carry around, and I refuse to pay for lockers.

 

From an environmental standpoint, the more paper cups you use, the more trees that get planted. The vast majority of paper products in the US are sourced from sustainable tree farms. So drink up tree-huggers!

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Souvenir cups are a staple of the theme park environment. Every time i visit a new park it is a must that i get one. I think that the overall money that would be lost from random once a year visitors that see the cups and say "hey that's cool, i'm gonna get one of those" as opposed to "well i don't have a season pass, and i'm not paying 5 dollars for one soda. Guess i'll just find a water fountain" would do serious damage to the park's annual revenue. (And yes, the extra trash would be a negative issue as well )

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I had this same thought but I just decided to keep it to myself and started wondering when the hell I became such a tree-hugger.

When you walked into Busch Gardens.

 

From an environmental standpoint, the more paper cups you use, the more trees that get planted. The vast majority of paper products in the US are sourced from sustainable tree farms. So drink up tree-huggers!

That's not what Busch Gardens told me!!!!!!!

 

JK, actually,

I don't know how this stuff works

But that's cool if it's true!

 

Souvenir cups are a staple of the theme park environment. Every time i visit a new park it is a must that i get one. I think that the overall money that would be lost from random once a year visitors that see the cups and say "hey that's cool, i'm gonna get one of those" as opposed to "well i don't have a season pass, and i'm not paying 5 dollars for one soda. Guess i'll just find a water fountain" would do serious damage to the park's annual revenue. (And yes, the extra trash would be a negative issue as well )

I don't think the latter would be true, plenty of people buy sodas despite them being expensive, but the former does seem like a very likely situation. I could see them bumping up the price for this because a) what you said b) cost of paper cupzzz!!!

 

Maybe they'll do all day drinks wristband (do they already have one? I don't really eat or drink at the park) for the non-passholder visitors who still want unlimited drinks.

 

Also, I can't remember if it's been said (a lot of the CF threads are talking about this) but this might increase the lines at food stands even more unless there were separate drinks-only stands (again, pardon me if this is already a thing). With the conveniency of this plan, I could see people using the f* out of their all-year drinking plan on their pass, just as people do with the dining pass.

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The problem is that it is complicated. The paper cups are unlikely to be recycled. Typically the cups are actually plastic lined which is why they are waterproof. Separating the plastic from the paper is very difficult and very few recyclers even have the ability. The good news is that the paper industry uses trees which were planted specifically for paper so it is just another crop like corn or wheat. The trees are even capturing a small amount of CO2. The bad news is paper cups are almost never made using recycled paper.

 

Instead let's look at it from an energy perspective. The energy needed to make one reusable plastic cup is enough to make 30-50 paper cups. Also the energy usage assumes you never clean the plastic cup. The more frequently it is cleaned the less likely it is you will ever be able to save enough energy to make using the bottle better than paper cups.

 

Basically how many times will the cup be used? If they are only used a handful of times then it will be better for the environment to just use paper cups. Once a plastic cup has been used 50+ times then you can consider it better for the environment to use the plastic cup.

 

But if all of this was really being done for the environment then it would be better to use higher quality cups and keep them year to year instead of replacing the cups every season. My cup shrunk at least a half inch just due to being stored in a hot car. It was interesting seeing cups which had been run through a dishwasher because the hot water caused them to shrink and they ended up at most half the original height.

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If your concerned about disposable cups, look no further than holiday world and how they handle it.

How do they handle it? I haven't been in a few years, but I seem to remember cups getting thrown out like normal trash.

 

Not trying to stir s**t for the sake of stirring s**t, I'm genuinely curious if they have a good solution. For me, I don't know enough either way, but I'd prefer supporting whichever method leaves a smaller ecological footprint, both from an energy consumption and landfill perspective.

 

My cup shrunk at least a half inch just due to being stored in a hot car. It was interesting seeing cups which had been run through a dishwasher because the hot water caused them to shrink and they ended up at most half the original height.

I'm tellin' ya, every goddamn year I make the same damn mistake at some point and end up with a Quasimodo cup.

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If your concerned about disposable cups, look no further than holiday world and how they handle it.

 

I would like to know, too. How do they handle it? Thanks in advance.

They have a stack of paper cups next to the drink station. You get one, fill it, drink, then toss your cup in the trash. Or if you want, you can take the same cup back to another drink station and fill it again. This is the Midwest. We don't believe in making things unnecessarily complicated.

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If your concerned about disposable cups, look no further than holiday world and how they handle it.

 

I would like to know, too. How do they handle it? Thanks in advance.

They have a stack of paper cups next to the drink station. You get one, fill it, drink, then toss your cup in the trash. Or if you want, you can take the same cup back to another drink station and fill it again. This is the Midwest. We don't believe in making things unnecessarily complicated.

Ohio IS in the Midwest, my friend.

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If it was a little jab he was throwing at anyone it would probably be at other parts of the country, as that's why he said "This is the Midwest. We don't believe in making things unnecessarily complicated", like maybe say the North East, or the Western parts of the USA, which have more regulations and people themselves, make it harder to go about doing something that should be easy.

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