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Me too. That entire area from Beast to D-Back is really great. There are a plethora great offerings:

Diamondback

Log Flume

Mystic Timbers

The Train

Beast

The beer man in the sports bar

The beer man in between Stunt Coaster and Beast

The rapids ride (if you're into that kind of thing)

 

In between rides you can grab a beer from any of the TWO beer men in that area and enjoy watching Diamondback splash downs while listening to the music that plays in that area. Some people prefer the beach... Not this guy.

 

Of note, you can tell I couldn't care less about ride names.

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Me too. That entire area from Beast to D-Back is really great. There are a plethora great offerings:

Diamondback

Log Flume

Mystic Timbers

The Train

Beast

The beer man in the sports bar

The beer man in between Stunt Coaster and Beast

The rapids ride (if you're into that kind of thing)

 

In between rides you can grab a beer from any of the TWO beer men in that area and enjoy watching Diamondback splash downs while listening to the music that plays in that area. Some people prefer the beach... Not this guy.

 

Of note, you can tell I couldn't care less about ride names.

All of this being said, I feel like with Mystic Timbers next year, that already-crowded area is going to be absolutely packed. That is, if Timbers holds popularity. I mean, is it me, or did Banshee's line get short awfully quick after opening?

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I feel like Banshee always has consistent lines. With their stellar operations it's an absolute capacity monster. Otherwise, I estimate Banshee's queue would always be about the length of Diamondback's queue, which I have always seen to be consistently longer by at least a few switch backs.

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Banshee seems to be the ride most go to in the morning therefore the lines are almost non-existent by mid-afternoon. Also take into effect that Diamondback's dispatches have been a little slower the past couple of seasons with an occasional three train stack every once in a blue moon.

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I feel like Banshee always has consistent lines. With their stellar operations it's an absolute capacity monster. Otherwise, I estimate Banshee's queue would always be about the length of Diamondback's queue, which I have always seen to be consistently longer by at least a few switch backs.

Didn't think about efficiency. Banshee is a bit more efficient than Diamondback, and since the lines move quicker, they often appear shorter. So looking at the efficiency of similar rides to MT (looking at you, Prowler), it looks like we should be in for some long waits.

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I've never been impressed by WOF operations during any of my visits. I'm hoping Mystic Timbers will pump trains out similar to Banshee. If the crew KI assigned to Banshee when it was their new star attraction will be any indication of the kind of crew they will assign to Mystic Timbers, I think we'll be a lot better off than Prowler. Also, doesn't Prowler have two trains and isn't Mystic Timbers getting three?

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I feel like Banshee always has consistent lines. With their stellar operations it's an absolute capacity monster. Otherwise, I estimate Banshee's queue would always be about the length of Diamondback's queue, which I have always seen to be consistently longer by at least a few switch backs.

Didn't think about efficiency. Banshee is a bit more efficient than Diamondback, and since the lines move quicker, they often appear shorter. So looking at the efficiency of similar rides to MT (looking at you, Prowler), it looks like we should be in for some long waits.

 

and yet, Renegade makes Prowler's group look like Cedar Point speed.

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^I don't know if you are referring to Renegade's 2016 season, or in general. Because Renegade's crew had a down year in 2016. A lot more stacking, and stacking for longer periods of time. It's been a while since I've been to WoF, but the Prowler crew was good that day.

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I've never been impressed by WOF operations during any of my visits. I'm hoping Mystic Timbers will pump trains out similar to Banshee. If the crew KI assigned to Banshee when it was their new star attraction will be any indication of the kind of crew they will assign to Mystic Timbers, I think we'll be a lot better off than Prowler. Also, doesn't Prowler have two trains and isn't Mystic Timbers getting three?

I was more so referring to the efficiency numbers. A few sources have noted that most GCIs somewhat similar to MT run around 800-1000 riders per hour. Granted, that's best case scenario, so I wasn't factoring in how the staff runs their rides. But considering KI regularly runs Diamondback around 1,500 with bins, and has Banshee knocking on the door of 1,700 without them, I'm sure Mystic Timbers should be able to run at or near the (estimated by KI) capacity of 1,200 rph.

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1200 is pretty reasonable, a dispatch every 72 seconds. Since they'll be able to run three trains they should never have to wait for a train to finish the course, one will always be ready. Unfortunately this (like many GCIs) has a turn between the waiting block and the station which takes a big chunk out of the possible load time...

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I've never been impressed by WOF operations during any of my visits. I'm hoping Mystic Timbers will pump trains out similar to Banshee. If the crew KI assigned to Banshee when it was their new star attraction will be any indication of the kind of crew they will assign to Mystic Timbers, I think we'll be a lot better off than Prowler. Also, doesn't Prowler have two trains and isn't Mystic Timbers getting three?

I was more so referring to the efficiency numbers. A few sources have noted that most GCIs somewhat similar to MT run around 800-1000 riders per hour. Granted, that's best case scenario, so I wasn't factoring in how the staff runs their rides. But considering KI regularly runs Diamondback around 1,500 with bins, and has Banshee knocking on the door of 1,700 without them, I'm sure Mystic Timbers should be able to run at or near the (estimated by KI) capacity of 1,200 rph.

 

 

The most we've ever done at Banshee was in August 2014. We sent 53 trains with 1,604 riders.

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^I don't have any numbers but I don't see Diamondback coming anywhere remotely close to 1500 an hour since the addition of seatbelts. And Banshee is good, but they'd have to do 54 trains in an hour to get 1700, which I'd guess has happened maybe once in three years.

 

See my post above this one. It is very possible at Banshee. Everything has to be running very smoothly. From the entrance to the separator to the bar checkers to the exit. As soon as the train stops, the bar checkers need to be in that train opening the seats, and ushering guests out and in.

 

Some may have notices the lift has several speeds. If we can get a train out of the station right at 20 seconds after the scream it will literally crawl up the lift. I say this all the time. The longer the train is on the lift, the longer we have in the station to check seats.

 

I am very proud of the work the Banshee crews have done.

 

In 2017 I am hoping to be placed at Mystic, but will still be happy if I am placed at Banshee again. Maybe do a season at Mystic then go back to Banshee.

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^I don't have any numbers but I don't see Diamondback coming anywhere remotely close to 1500 an hour since the addition of seatbelts. And Banshee is good, but they'd have to do 54 trains in an hour to get 1700, which I'd guess has happened maybe once in three years.

 

See my post above this one. It is very possible at Banshee. Everything has to be running very smoothly. From the entrance to the separator to the bar checkers to the exit. As soon as the train stops, the bar checkers need to be in that train opening the seats, and ushering guests out and in.

 

Some may have notices the lift has several speeds. If we can get a train out of the station right at 20 seconds after the scream it will literally crawl up the lift. I say this all the time. The longer the train is on the lift, the longer we have in the station to check seats.

 

I am very proud of the work the Banshee crews have done.

 

In 2017 I am hoping to be placed at Mystic, but will still be happy if I am placed at Banshee again. Maybe do a season at Mystic then go back to Banshee.

Absolutely, I saw your post in the "favorite ride to operate" thread. Really interesting stuff, thanks for that.

 

But the reality is that the majority of the time, you're not sending out 53 trains in an hour. You don't determine an average capacity based on what the ride could theoretically do that's really only been done for one hour in a ride's debut year. In most cases, I'd assume sending out somewhere closer to 45 trains in an hour (just a rough estimate), which is still really good. It's just not fair to say that Mystic Timbers' line will move 50% faster than Prowler's because Banshee's crew hit theoretical capacity once. It's just not gonna happen all the time, though I'm sure Mystic will be a little more efficient than Prowler--just not 15 trains an hour faster.

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^I don't have any numbers but I don't see Diamondback coming anywhere remotely close to 1500 an hour since the addition of seatbelts. And Banshee is good, but they'd have to do 54 trains in an hour to get 1700, which I'd guess has happened maybe once in three years.

 

See my post above this one. It is very possible at Banshee. Everything has to be running very smoothly. From the entrance to the separator to the bar checkers to the exit. As soon as the train stops, the bar checkers need to be in that train opening the seats, and ushering guests out and in.

 

Some may have notices the lift has several speeds. If we can get a train out of the station right at 20 seconds after the scream it will literally crawl up the lift. I say this all the time. The longer the train is on the lift, the longer we have in the station to check seats.

 

I am very proud of the work the Banshee crews have done.

 

In 2017 I am hoping to be placed at Mystic, but will still be happy if I am placed at Banshee again. Maybe do a season at Mystic then go back to Banshee.

Absolutely, I saw your post in the "favorite ride to operate" thread. Really interesting stuff, thanks for that.

 

But the reality is that the majority of the time, you're not sending out 53 trains in an hour. You don't determine an average capacity based on what the ride could theoretically do that's really only been done for one hour in a ride's debut year. In most cases, I'd assume sending out somewhere closer to 45 trains in an hour (just a rough estimate), which is still really good. It's just not fair to say that Mystic Timbers' line will move 50% faster than Prowler's because Banshee's crew hit theoretical capacity once. It's just not gonna happen all the time, though I'm sure Mystic will be a little more efficient than Prowler--just not 15 trains an hour faster.

Speaking of high capacity, I vaguely remember an old video (90% sure it was TPR, maybe not though) of some fairly obscure older wooden coaster. Great ride, but the big thing mentioned in the video and description was that ride ops were able to load and dispatch a train in around 14 seconds. Any help here, perhaps the video itself or at least what coaster it was?

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Park management takes everything into consideration, capacity, ride experience, ect, i'm pretty certain the park knows the capacity and how much Mystic Timbers can do an hour, since KI is a very popular park in the summer time, I'm almost certain this thing will have great capacity with a good crew. I hope the rumors of bins leaving Diamondback are true, finally they won't have the situation of operators saying okay you have 30 seconds and people are busy messing with the bins and the 3rd train ends up stacking...

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^I don't have any numbers but I don't see Diamondback coming anywhere remotely close to 1500 an hour since the addition of seatbelts. And Banshee is good, but they'd have to do 54 trains in an hour to get 1700, which I'd guess has happened maybe once in three years.

 

See my post above this one. It is very possible at Banshee. Everything has to be running very smoothly. From the entrance to the separator to the bar checkers to the exit. As soon as the train stops, the bar checkers need to be in that train opening the seats, and ushering guests out and in.

 

Some may have notices the lift has several speeds. If we can get a train out of the station right at 20 seconds after the scream it will literally crawl up the lift. I say this all the time. The longer the train is on the lift, the longer we have in the station to check seats.

 

I am very proud of the work the Banshee crews have done.

 

In 2017 I am hoping to be placed at Mystic, but will still be happy if I am placed at Banshee again. Maybe do a season at Mystic then go back to Banshee.

Absolutely, I saw your post in the "favorite ride to operate" thread. Really interesting stuff, thanks for that.

 

But the reality is that the majority of the time, you're not sending out 53 trains in an hour. You don't determine an average capacity based on what the ride could theoretically do that's really only been done for one hour in a ride's debut year. In most cases, I'd assume sending out somewhere closer to 45 trains in an hour (just a rough estimate), which is still really good. It's just not fair to say that Mystic Timbers' line will move 50% faster than Prowler's because Banshee's crew hit theoretical capacity once. It's just not gonna happen all the time, though I'm sure Mystic will be a little more efficient than Prowler--just not 15 trains an hour faster.

Speaking of high capacity, I vaguely remember an old video (90% sure it was TPR, maybe not though) of some fairly obscure older wooden coaster. Great ride, but the big thing mentioned in the video and description was that ride ops were able to load and dispatch a train in around 14 seconds. Any help here, perhaps the video itself or at least what coaster it was?

 

It was probably Phoenix at Knoebels. They tend dispatch trains within 20 seconds of the train arriving in the station. It may be a little longer now that they have air gates in the station.

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^I don't have any numbers but I don't see Diamondback coming anywhere remotely close to 1500 an hour since the addition of seatbelts. And Banshee is good, but they'd have to do 54 trains in an hour to get 1700, which I'd guess has happened maybe once in three years.

 

See my post above this one. It is very possible at Banshee. Everything has to be running very smoothly. From the entrance to the separator to the bar checkers to the exit. As soon as the train stops, the bar checkers need to be in that train opening the seats, and ushering guests out and in.

 

Some may have notices the lift has several speeds. If we can get a train out of the station right at 20 seconds after the scream it will literally crawl up the lift. I say this all the time. The longer the train is on the lift, the longer we have in the station to check seats.

 

I am very proud of the work the Banshee crews have done.

 

In 2017 I am hoping to be placed at Mystic, but will still be happy if I am placed at Banshee again. Maybe do a season at Mystic then go back to Banshee.

Absolutely, I saw your post in the "favorite ride to operate" thread. Really interesting stuff, thanks for that.

 

But the reality is that the majority of the time, you're not sending out 53 trains in an hour. You don't determine an average capacity based on what the ride could theoretically do that's really only been done for one hour in a ride's debut year. In most cases, I'd assume sending out somewhere closer to 45 trains in an hour (just a rough estimate), which is still really good. It's just not fair to say that Mystic Timbers' line will move 50% faster than Prowler's because Banshee's crew hit theoretical capacity once. It's just not gonna happen all the time, though I'm sure Mystic will be a little more efficient than Prowler--just not 15 trains an hour faster.

Speaking of high capacity, I vaguely remember an old video (90% sure it was TPR, maybe not though) of some fairly obscure older wooden coaster. Great ride, but the big thing mentioned in the video and description was that ride ops were able to load and dispatch a train in around 14 seconds. Any help here, perhaps the video itself or at least what coaster it was?

 

It was probably Phoenix at Knoebels. They tend dispatch trains within 20 seconds of the train arriving in the station. It may be a little longer now that they have air gates in the station.

Maybe. But if I remember right, the ride used old fashioned open-front style trains. You know, what GCI bases their design off of. I'm just the kind of person that's going to slowly be driven insane by the fact that I can't remember something seemingly simple and memorable.

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It would help if they went without seatbelts... but Cedar Fair likes their extra seat belts as does GCI. The good thing is they have the ability to run a tight coaster operation. I can only think of one GCI coaster with no seatbelts, Wodan at Europa Park. It runs 3 trains, like Mystic Timbers will.

 

Maybe an unload platform will be in that shed. teehee

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