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Left field, but what about the Gravity Group? They've been doing a lot of installations lately and the "leaked" layout doesn't seem as twisted as we expect a Great Coasters layout to be.

 

I actually had this same thought last night, though I didn't end up posting it. Gravity Group dabbles in inversions, too, so that would definitely be a - wait for it - twist, on this new wooden coaster layout for KI!

I think son of beast ruined that concept for the park . . .

 

Eh, that was a while ago now, and was a completely different situation. I think people would be happy to have another wooden coaster with inversions at the park after losing SoB, and if the coaster as a whole was made better, and smarter, it won't have the same issues! Now, I'm not saying I think it will have inversions (or be a GG coaster), but it still is a possibility, at this point. My money is still on a Prowler-esque GCI...

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I'll have to visit first before I can really give unbiased input on this but I've heard that said here and there about Kings Island "overtaking" Cedar Point and it just makes no sense to me. Cedar Point is still building much faster than Kings Island (yeah they got Banshee--how are they improving faster than Cedar Point when they've essentially done three new B&Ms since Diamondback?).

Kings Island has tons of space but get this: so does Cedar Point. And Cedar Point will always be a good investment for the chain.

And to further that point, Cedar Point continues and will always be the top dog in Cedar Fair's portfolio... both from a capital expenditure and income standpoint. Yes, Kings Island might have the higher attendance, but the true metric Cedar Fair bases their investments on is per cap revenue; of which Cedar Point brings in substantially more revenue per guest compared to any other park in the chain. Of Cedar Fair's 11 parks, Cedar Point alone contributes to 25% of Cedar Fair's annual earnings.

If Cedar Fair invest in Kings Island as Cedar Point, surely would a lot more money.

I speak of hotels, campsites, buy the great wolf lodge etc. the park would be No. 1 in the chain and cedar point you keep it as the island of coaster

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Kings Island is nice and all, but CP is just on a different level. The Beast and the waterpark are the only things better at KI in my opinion.

 

Wait... Are you saying The Beast is better than anything at Cedar Point? Or just better than their woodies? (I'd still disagree that it's better than Blue Streak, but to each their own.) I just want to make sure before I quote your post, in proving my point in the "Most Overrated Coasters" thread about The Beast...

 

To be fair, I love Cedar Point and Maverick and Millennium Force are both in my top 5 coasters but the Beast at night is the best coaster experience I've ever had. During the day it's very mediocre but I'd take a Beast night ride over anything Cedar Point has and I LOVE Cedar Point. It's probably my favorite park not named Knoebels. To each his own of course.

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Kings Island is nice and all, but CP is just on a different level. The Beast and the waterpark are the only things better at KI in my opinion.

 

Wait... Are you saying The Beast is better than anything at Cedar Point? Or just better than their woodies? (I'd still disagree that it's better than Blue Streak, but to each their own.) I just want to make sure before I quote your post, in proving my point in the "Most Overrated Coasters" thread about The Beast...

 

To be fair, I love Cedar Point and Maverick and Millennium Force are both in my top 5 coasters but the Beast at night is the best coaster experience I've ever had. During the day it's very mediocre but I'd take a Beast night ride over anything Cedar Point has and I LOVE Cedar Point. It's probably my favorite park not named Knoebels. To each his own of course.

 

Yeah, I get that, as I've mentioned before about my mind-blowing back to back night rides in the front without getting off the train! That was definitely one of my top individual experiences on a coaster, obviously! I've had amazing night rides on MF too, however, so it's close between those two even in the night ride competition. What I'd really like to do now, is get a night ride (or ten) on Fury, to compare with them! I know it's more lit up than MF or The Beast, but that lighting package is pretty sweet in its own right! Oh... And I also expect Lightning Rod at night is going to be The Beast levels of crazy-awesome!

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Ehh, KI might be better "park" wise, its definitely more unique and has better theming and architecture. But ride wise, CP is sill quite a ways in front. DB, Beast, Bashee and Firehawk are really the only big time attractions at KI. While CP has TTD, MF, Magnum, Valravn, Maverick, Raptor, Rougaru, and Gatekeeper. Still, both are top 5 amusement parks in the country no question, maybe even the world.

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Ehh, KI might be better "park" wise, its definitely more unique and has better theming and architecture. But ride wise, CP is sill quite a ways in front. DB, Beast, Bashee and Firehawk are really the only big time attractions at KI. While CP has TTD, MF, Magnum, Valravn, Maverick, Raptor, Rougaru, and Gatekeeper. Still, both are top 5 amusement parks in the country no question, maybe even the world.

 

I agree completely.

 

PS: Is this "G Force" of "This style of realism is getting old we only like people who directly copy Robbie" fame?

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::SIGH:: I'll drop an unpopular opinion here that if this is a woodie which from the layout it's hard to argue against that I will be disappointed. Not that I won't go and ride it and love it. But IMO KI is one of the few parks that has a solid wood collection and a very weak steel collection. I sure was hoping to be spoiled with a 335ft (ya know to be taller then Fury for marketing ) B&M giga so close to home!

 

And I'm still hoping for Vortex to go to the scrap yard to be replaced with an amazing Mack looper like Blue Fire.

 

Now that I'm done dodging the rotten tomatoes being thrown! Cant wait for the announcement with stats, a 3D layout and a PoV!

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For all you coaster people hoping for a giga. Just be glad you got a coaster at all. Especially a gci. Only a few years since banshee, you are lucky you will be getting one. Many other parks would wish for a gci since they don't get a coaster every 3-5 years. So don't complain about not getting a giga. Seriously you just got banshee, now you want a giga for 2017? Just be happy with what you have. KI already has a solid coaster lineup compared to other cedar fair parks. so just don't complain.

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Ehh, KI might be better "park" wise, its definitely more unique and has better theming and architecture. But ride wise, CP is sill quite a ways in front. DB, Beast, Bashee and Firehawk are really the only big time attractions at KI. While CP has TTD, MF, Magnum, Valravn, Maverick, Raptor, Rougaru, and Gatekeeper. Still, both are top 5 amusement parks in the country no question, maybe even the world.

 

I agree completely.

 

PS: Is this "G Force" of "This style of realism is getting old we only like people who directly copy Robbie" fame?

 

Yes.

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Ehh, KI might be better "park" wise, its definitely more unique and has better theming and architecture. But ride wise, CP is sill quite a ways in front. DB, Beast, Bashee and Firehawk are really the only big time attractions at KI. While CP has TTD, MF, Magnum, Valravn, Maverick, Raptor, Rougaru, and Gatekeeper. Still, both are top 5 amusement parks in the country no question, maybe even the world.

 

I agree completely.

 

PS: Is this "G Force" of "This style of realism is getting old we only like people who directly copy Robbie" fame?

Yes.

 

Are we talking about ne now?

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For all you coaster people hoping for a giga. Just be glad you got a coaster at all. Especially a gci. Only a few years since banshee, you are lucky you will be getting one. Many other parks would wish for a gci since they don't get a coaster every 3-5 years. So don't complain about not getting a giga. Seriously you just got banshee, now you want a giga for 2017? Just be happy with what you have. KI already has a solid coaster lineup compared to other cedar fair parks. so just don't complain.

 

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If Cedar Fair invest in Kings Island as Cedar Point, surely would a lot more money.

I speak of hotels, campsites, buy the great wolf lodge etc. the park would be No. 1 in the chain and cedar point you keep it as the island of coaster

Maybe you should just leave the investing in the hands of the financial analysts.

 

Where did all of these business experts come from?

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If Cedar Fair invest in Kings Island as Cedar Point, surely would a lot more money.

I speak of hotels, campsites, buy the great wolf lodge etc. the park would be No. 1 in the chain and cedar point you keep it as the island of coaster

Maybe you should just leave the investing in the hands of the financial analysts.

 

Where did all of these business experts come from?

I did not say that they do it, I said that cedar fair should do

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For all you coaster people hoping for a giga. Just be glad you got a coaster at all. Especially a gci. Only a few years since banshee, you are lucky you will be getting one. Many other parks would wish for a gci since they don't get a coaster every 3-5 years. So don't complain about not getting a giga. Seriously you just got banshee, now you want a giga for 2017? Just be happy with what you have. KI already has a solid coaster lineup compared to other cedar fair parks. so just don't complain.

 

The post you were referring to was well structured and didn't real strike me as complaining. There's nothing wrong with stating a personal opinion and basically wrapping it in compliments. There's a big difference between that and the incoherent bitching about everything that happens within the enthusiast community more often than not.

 

Yes.

 

Awesome! Hi G. I never noticed you were on TPR.

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Left field, but what about the Gravity Group? They've been doing a lot of installations lately and the "leaked" layout doesn't seem as twisted as we expect a Great Coasters layout to be.

 

There appears to be a building around the transfer track; as far as I am aware, GCI is the only coaster company that constructs a building for the transfer and storage area. The same clue was apparent in BGW's plans.

 

Not to mention the fact that this footprint is extremely similar to Prowler, including an identical-looking first drop and second hill. Based on those things it's pretty clearly a GCI.

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If Cedar Fair invest in Kings Island as Cedar Point, surely would a lot more money.

I speak of hotels, campsites, buy the great wolf lodge etc. the park would be No. 1 in the chain and cedar point you keep it as the island of coaster

Maybe you should just leave the investing in the hands of the financial analysts.

 

Where did all of these business experts come from?

I did not say that they do it, I said that cedar fair should do

 

Well, just don't be surprised if you get a phone call from the top executives at Cedar Fair craving more spectacular investment advice on what they should do. Let me tell you pal, you give those guys an inch and they'll take a mile! My advice for you? Just answer the GD phone before the Cedar Fair executive chopper shows up on your front lawn and 5 guys in suits kidnap you.

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Left field, but what about the Gravity Group? They've been doing a lot of installations lately and the "leaked" layout doesn't seem as twisted as we expect a Great Coasters layout to be.

 

Plus GG is local! Headquarters is on Vine Street in Cincinnati, just 30 minutes from the park. Think of all the spin they could put on that.

That said, the curved drop is a major weakness in any argument against it being a GCI.

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Left field, but what about the Gravity Group? They've been doing a lot of installations lately and the "leaked" layout doesn't seem as twisted as we expect a Great Coasters layout to be.

 

Plus GG is local! Headquarters is on Vine Street in Cincinnati, just 30 minutes from the park. Think of all the spin they could put on that.

That said, the curved drop is a major weakness in any argument against it being a GCI.

 

Not to mention Cedar Fair has almost been working exclusively with GCI

 

-Renegade

-Prowler

-Gold Rusher

-Timber Wolf Rennovation

-Ghost Rider Rennovation

-Hurler Rennovation

-Hurler Rennovation

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I'm still curious as to whether the log ride will be removed or not. I certainly hope it will stay. But if it is removed, hopefully there are plans for another log ride at the park in the near future.

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