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p. 792 - Camp Cedar campground to open in 2021!

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I'll have to visit first before I can really give unbiased input on this but I've heard that said here and there about Kings Island "overtaking" Cedar Point and it just makes no sense to me. Cedar Point is still building much faster than Kings Island (yeah they got Banshee--how are they improving faster than Cedar Point when they've essentially done three new B&Ms since Diamondback?).

Kings Island has tons of space but get this: so does Cedar Point. And Cedar Point will always be a good investment for the chain.

IMO, unless CF starts working with intamin again, or brings in RMC, it'll be really hard for any CF park to be better than CP.

I already think Kings Island is better than CP.

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I agree that the coaster looks like a GCI, but I wouldn't completely rule out RMC. Look at the 3D renderings of Storm Chaser and imagine them as a 2D drawing like the one being discussed. I think it would look like a GCI.

 

I would rather see an RMC built at KI because it would be much different than the other woodies. KI lacks strong airtime and an RMC would fill that gap. I would be so happy if KI got the first RMC in the chain next year. I would be cool with a GCI as long as it has more airtime than laterals.

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Any serious guesses on the name/theme for the ride other than _______ of Beast, because all those belong in the Davy Jones' fluffy, fluffy bunny filled with medicine and goo of Beast. If this is the final design, I wonder how the night rides will compare between this and Beast.

 

Given the fact that KI has already shown a propensity to dip into their (or Cedar Fair's) past for naming (or re-naming) of rides, I think serious consideration would have to be given to Beastie! They already removed it from a smaller wooden kiddie coaster, to fit it into the Peanuts theme, but it's still an iconic KI name. I think it would be a perfect name for a smaller wooden coaster that zips through the woods, not far from The Beast! With The Bat returning, and Banshee being resurrected, it seems KI is a place where older traditions, and sentimentalities are valued, which makes this at least a pretty reasonable guess at the name.

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I'll have to visit first before I can really give unbiased input on this but I've heard that said here and there about Kings Island "overtaking" Cedar Point and it just makes no sense to me. Cedar Point is still building much faster than Kings Island (yeah they got Banshee--how are they improving faster than Cedar Point when they've essentially done three new B&Ms since Diamondback?).

Kings Island has tons of space but get this: so does Cedar Point. And Cedar Point will always be a good investment for the chain.

IMO, unless CF starts working with intamin again, or brings in RMC, it'll be really hard for any CF park to be better than CP.

I already think Kings Island is better than CP.

 

Kings Island is nice and all, but CP is just on a different level. The Beast and the waterpark are the only things better at KI in my opinion. I always make sure I hit up KI before going to CP so it doesn't seem so blah. But I must be spoiled though...

 

Anyways, I do like the possible addition of another woodie. Would be nice to have a GCI in the area. Beast Jr. will be fun.

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Kings Island is nice and all, but CP is just on a different level. The Beast and the waterpark are the only things better at KI in my opinion.

 

Wait... Are you saying The Beast is better than anything at Cedar Point? Or just better than their woodies? (I'd still disagree that it's better than Blue Streak, but to each their own.) I just want to make sure before I quote your post, in proving my point in the "Most Overrated Coasters" thread about The Beast...

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While I really like KI, and I used to go there as often as the Point, several times a season. I don't think any CF park will surpass the location and immersiveness of CP with it's location on the lake. Especially if you stay on site. It truly is the "Queen Of American Watering Places."

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Kings Island is nice and all, but CP is just on a different level. The Beast and the waterpark are the only things better at KI in my opinion.

 

Wait... Are you saying The Beast is better than anything at Cedar Point? Or just better than their woodies? (I'd still disagree that it's better than Blue Streak, but to each their own.) I just want to make sure before I quote your post, in proving my point in the "Most Overrated Coasters" thread about The Beast...

No, just their woodies. Badly worded, sorry. I'm not even a huge fan of The Beast, but it's the only one at KI that I think could fit in at CP. Last time I rode Blue Streak it was rough for me, although I was dumb and rode on a wheel seat. My last few rides on The Beast were very smooth and enjoyable.

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Kings Island is nice and all, but CP is just on a different level. The Beast and the waterpark are the only things better at KI in my opinion.

 

Wait... Are you saying The Beast is better than anything at Cedar Point? Or just better than their woodies? (I'd still disagree that it's better than Blue Streak, but to each their own.) I just want to make sure before I quote your post, in proving my point in the "Most Overrated Coasters" thread about The Beast...

No, just their woodies. Badly worded, sorry. I'm not even a huge fan of The Beast, but it's the only one at KI that I think could fit in at CP. Last time I rode Blue Streak it was rough for me, although I was dumb and rode on a wheel seat. My last few rides on The Beast were very smooth and enjoyable.

 

Thanks for the clarification, because I was like... "Wha???" regarding it being better than any coaster at CP!

 

Not sure I'd ever classify The Beast as smooth, personally, and I find Blue Streak in the front row of a car to be really smooth and enjoyable (in the back rows, you're right - terrible!). The Beast is definitely better than Mean Streak though!

 

Of course, I prefer Diamondback to Magnum, and Banshee to Raptor, so I'm more of a fan of KI than you are, apparently! I still agree CP is on a different level though! I think they're different parks in what their aim, and goal is, however, which is why they are able to co-exist in the same state, and park chain so well. KI is more for families, has a nicer waterpark that's included in the gate, and is a much prettier park, with all of the trees and moderate attempts at theming. CP is all about the glitz and glam of being a premier destination amusement park for roller coaster thrills, and it does that VERY well! With Cedar Fair running both parks, and running them both with a nice profit, I don't think we need to worry about either park, negatively affecting the other, in the long run!

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Oh, I meant to comment on this exchange...

 

 

IF there is a coaster. Don't get your hopes up.

 

 

Just goes to show you that removing your age from your profile doesn't make you older... or wiser...

 

 

^Your right, it just removes discrimination.

 

Honestly, nicman, I think your age being in your profile was actually a GOOD thing as far as people understanding where you're coming from is concerned... You might want to consider putting it back on there, to provide a little context regarding your posts!

 

One thing I wanted to clarify from my first post regarding the new coaster being a GCI, and being disappointed... Don't get me wrong, I'm still excited. If this new coaster was an exact copy of White Lightning, but through the woods, it'd already be my second or third favorite coaster at the park. So this is great news, regardless of the manufacturer!

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I, too, enjoyed Kings Island more than Cedar Point. Primarily because I actually fit in the restraints of all the coasters I queued up to ride. I was walk of shamed off Millennium Force because the seat belt was about an inch shy of fastening. That pretty much put a downer on the rest of my day.

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Well, if KI is getting a GCI, then I'm going to assume CW is getting that B&M Invert or Flyer in front of the park. And if GCI has a lot on their plate next year, I can see RMC working on Mean Streak. But I still don't think they're going to turn it into a hybrid like everybody thinks. As for the other project CF is doing at KD...I'm still confused about the Hurler when they say it is being done, "in house".

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Kings Island is a better park that Cedar Point.

 

I'm dead serious.

 

 

I used to agree with this. But after my second visit this year, I'm putting Cedar Point first. Cedar Point just has more of everything. With the addition of Valravn, the soft restraints on Maverick, and Rougarou transformation...The coaster buffet is just incredible. Plus, I've yet to find any restaurant in the whole CF chain that can compete with CP's Midway Market. I think with the improvements that Matt Ouimet has made to CP over the years has put CP on top.

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I'll have to visit first before I can really give unbiased input on this but I've heard that said here and there about Kings Island "overtaking" Cedar Point and it just makes no sense to me. Cedar Point is still building much faster than Kings Island (yeah they got Banshee--how are they improving faster than Cedar Point when they've essentially done three new B&Ms since Diamondback?).

Kings Island has tons of space but get this: so does Cedar Point. And Cedar Point will always be a good investment for the chain.

And to further that point, Cedar Point continues and will always be the top dog in Cedar Fair's portfolio... both from a capital expenditure and income standpoint. Yes, Kings Island might have the higher attendance, but the true metric Cedar Fair bases their investments on is per cap revenue; of which Cedar Point brings in substantially more revenue per guest compared to any other park in the chain. Of Cedar Fair's 11 parks, Cedar Point alone contributes to 25% of Cedar Fair's annual earnings.

 

cw has the higher attendance than both those parks. I think cp only brings in more profit than ki because of hotels.

cw would have probably brought in more profit but the exchange rates make it lower.

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Well, if KI is getting a GCI, then I'm going to assume CW is getting that B&M Invert or Flyer in front of the park. And if GCI has a lot on their plate next year, I can see RMC working on Mean Streak. But I still don't think they're going to turn it into a hybrid like everybody thinks. As for the other project CF is doing at KD...I'm still confused about the Hurler when they say it is being done, "in house".

Theirfront of the park is gonna be crowded then. . .

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Left field, but what about the Gravity Group? They've been doing a lot of installations lately and the "leaked" layout doesn't seem as twisted as we expect a Great Coasters layout to be.

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Wouldn't that be a slap in the face? I guess bidding is bidding though. But I would think relationship wise, they would go with who they are already in the bed with when it comes to something they have already provided.

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Well, if KI is getting a GCI, then I'm going to assume CW is getting that B&M Invert or Flyer in front of the park. And if GCI has a lot on their plate next year, I can see RMC working on Mean Streak. But I still don't think they're going to turn it into a hybrid like everybody thinks. As for the other project CF is doing at KD...I'm still confused about the Hurler when they say it is being done, "in house".

Theirfront of the park is gonna be crowded then. . .

 

I'm assuming you're talking about CW. If so, the rumor is Flight Deck and Time Warp are on the way out. Plop a B&M nicely right there in that spot...No crowding.

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Well, if KI is getting a GCI, then I'm going to assume CW is getting that B&M Invert or Flyer in front of the park. And if GCI has a lot on their plate next year, I can see RMC working on Mean Streak. But I still don't think they're going to turn it into a hybrid like everybody thinks. As for the other project CF is doing at KD...I'm still confused about the Hurler when they say it is being done, "in house".

 

KD is a massive wildcard this year. Hurler is in serious question.

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Left field, but what about the Gravity Group? They've been doing a lot of installations lately and the "leaked" layout doesn't seem as twisted as we expect a Great Coasters layout to be.

 

I actually had this same thought last night, though I didn't end up posting it. Gravity Group dabbles in inversions, too, so that would definitely be a - wait for it - twist, on this new wooden coaster layout for KI!

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Left field, but what about the Gravity Group? They've been doing a lot of installations lately and the "leaked" layout doesn't seem as twisted as we expect a Great Coasters layout to be.

 

I actually had this same thought last night, though I didn't end up posting it. Gravity Group dabbles in inversions, too, so that would definitely be a - wait for it - twist, on this new wooden coaster layout for KI!

I think son of beast ruined that concept for the park . . .

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