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I wont be talking about other parks since each park decides mainly what they build not cedar fair. So instead of saying another cedar fair park should get a new coaster, I will talk just about kings island. With the worlds longest invert just a few years back I dont think they would make another big investment right away, especially since gigas are expensive.

 

Then again hope its not like cedar point, were I thought they weren't going to get a dive and then they did. lol it still cracks me up.

Still cant believe they got a dive.

 

Let me ask you, do you really want a coaster right away or wait a few years?

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I wont be talking about other parks since each park decides mainly what they build not cedar fair. So instead of saying another cedar fair park should get a new coaster, I will talk just about kings island. With the worlds longest invert just a few years back I dont think they would make another big investment right away, especially since gigas are expensive.

 

Then again hope its not like cedar point, were I thought they weren't going to get a dive and then they did. lol it still cracks me up.

Still cant believe they got a dive.

 

It is obvious you have no idea how Cedar Fair is structured. The parks do have input into the system but in the end Corporate tells the parks you are getting X and here is where it is going. Cedar Fair even designs the coasters. For example we already know total the chain will spend $150 million on capital improvements this year. We also know for a fact that at least one large expensive thrill ride is being installed in the chain for 2017. History has shown that it will be a B&M the question is who is getting it. The early signs point towards King's Island but we could be wrong about who is getting the ride. Also possible it might not be B&M but that is unlikely. The items we know are from investor presentations corporate gives.

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I still say GCI wood coaster, or at least that's what I'm hoping for. Remember that traditional woodies are far less expensive than steel coasters, so it's not like this would be considered a mega $20-30 million investment. I would think it would be closer to $10 million. Plus it would be great for Kings Island to have a true modern woodie, one that is fast-paced and full of tight twists, turns, and airtime. Neither Racer or Beast offer that kind of experience.

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↑↑If cedar fair decided then how come they always give the same parks new rides. If they have 150 million to spend they are obviously not taking in profits from parks and giving them to other parks. Even though some parks have a larger attendance, if the smaller parks can afford one, they should get one. Even though I shouldn't be talking because my home park is Canada's wonderland which brings in a huge attendance so it usually gets lots of attention. Even though kings island has a larger attendance than other parks, its not the top priority at the moment since they just got banshee. Even though I am a fan of cw and am pretty sure that cw will be getting a (or the) new coaster which they could use since there coaster collection sucks compared to other parks such as kings island plus they need another great capacity coaster, I would prefer that another park like Michigans Adventure, Valleyfair or Worlds of fun would get it. (kinda)

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↑↑If cedar fair decided then how come they always give the same parks new rides.

This discussion happens weekly, but the short answer is this: they want to make money.

 

And to add to that, those little parks don't generate (relatively speaking) enough money for the chain to warrant the large investments Cedar Point, Canada's Wonderland, Kings Island, and Carowinds are getting.

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↑↑If cedar fair decided then how come they always give the same parks new rides.

This discussion happens weekly, but the short answer is this: they want to make money.

 

And to add to that, those little parks don't generate (relatively speaking) enough money for the chain to warrant the large investments Cedar Point, Canada's Wonderland, Kings Island, and Carowinds are getting.

 

Actually Carowinds makes like half the money either King's Island or Canada's Wonderland make. Carowinds got Fury 325 early because corporate saw a larger boost from Intimidator then they expected and rewarded it with Fury. This was discussed on an investor calls sometime after Fury 325 was announced or built.

 

Parks get investments based on profits they have already made and the potential for future profits.

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^I guess that makes sense, I do feel kinda bad though for the other parks but at least im lucky that my home park is favorited by cedar fair. Anyway here is my list from parks that receive the less attention from least to most.

 

Cedar Point, Canada's Wonderland, Carowinds/Kings Island, Kings Dominion, Knotts, Dorney Park, Worlds of fun/California's great america, Valleyfair, Michigan's adventure.

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^I guess that makes sense, I do feel kinda bad though for the other parks but at least im lucky that my home park is favorited by cedar fair.

 

Has nothing to do with the park being a favorite. In terms of profit the top 4 parks in order are

1. Cedar Point

2. Knott's Berry Farm

3. King's Island

4. Canada's Wonderland

 

The rest are not even close. These four together make around two thirds of the total profits of the chain.

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I still say GCI wood coaster, or at least that's what I'm hoping for. Remember that traditional woodies are far less expensive than steel coasters, so it's not like this would be considered a mega $20-30 million investment. I would think it would be closer to $10 million. Plus it would be great for Kings Island to have a true modern woodie, one that is fast-paced and full of tight twists, turns, and airtime. Neither Racer or Beast offer that kind of experience.

 

If they could make a Prowler-esque coaster to give guests another crazy night ride out in the woods like The Beast (and they properly maintained it), I would be all for this versus a wing rider.

 

But if it were a choice between a wooden roller coaster or a giga, the giga would win hands down in my book. The world just doesn't have enough giga coasters right now and their certainly are not enough Intamin gigas!

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^I guess that makes sense, I do feel kinda bad though for the other parks but at least im lucky that my home park is favorited by cedar fair.

 

Has nothing to do with the park being a favorite. In terms of profit the top 4 parks in order are

1. Cedar Point

2. Knott's Berry Farm

3. King's Island

4. Canada's Wonderland

 

The rest are not even close. These four together make around two thirds of the total profits of the chain.

 

Really? But CW has the most attendance than any of those parks expect Knotts. Cedar point maybe, because they have hotels. Kings island brings in more profit that cw?

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Assuming that list is accurate it's probably taking into account the exchange rate with Canada's Wonderland and the strong dollar.

 

Since the information comes from investor information provided by Cedar Fair it is required by law to be accurate. It takes into account all expenses and would include the exchange rate. King's Island was not ahead by a lot either. Although that will change this year with the current exchange rate.

 

The attendance numbers are actually a lot more suspect since none of us know how they get those numbers. Cedar Fair has publicly stated they do not provide the information.

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I'm still on team blitz coaster. I know it seems unlikely with Maverick so close proximity-wise, but I think a blitz through the woods would offer a really unique experience. Kings Island is probably the park in the chain that is most suited to create that experience.

 

I doubt that's going to happen. BUT I would say that with the winter tear down of what was in that spot, along with the park opening with fences around it... So far, that sounds a lot like Maverick's construction timeline to me.

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Hmmm......

Is this a hint of some kind? I don't recall a red coaster with track like this at Kings Island.

It's totally a hint! They totally didn't just tell their marketing team "put a roller coaster and a waterslide on it" so they could use one image at all their parks. Because Cedar Fair is way too devious to ever just use some generic advertisement. Everyone knows they hide all their best clues in banner ads.

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