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P. 829: Adventure Port themed area announced for 2023!

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Due to high winds, not much progress today. Only 1.5 supports installed today. It was an oddly shaped support that has three legs support that actually supports 2 pieces of track. As always, link to full gallery in my signature.

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Just some more speculation, but how do you think the new Wing Coaster type restraints on Banshee will affect the floatiness achieved in the zero-g roll? That is usually my favorite part of riding any invert, and it looks like it will pretty much be eliminated by how securely these restraints are designed to keep you in your seat.

 

Thoughts?

I think it will have a nasty effect. That's why most of us have been complaining about the restraints (because, in my case, I don't have any problems with the tightening). When I rode gatekeeper I knew the big airtime hill was providing some floater air as my arms would go up without me doing anything, still I couldn't feel a thing, for real! If we were talking about ejector air, then you would still feel it, but when it comes to floater all the fun lies in lifting slightly out of your seat (which is what happens with the older restraints). So, considering this is a zero-g and, therefore, is supposed to provide weightlessness and not actual negative Gs I'm guessing the feeling will be kind of neutralized, but then we will have to wait for the opening.

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Hopefully the vests in the restraints won't tighten. After Labor Day, all of GateKeeper's vests were fixed to where they wouldn't tighten and the ride made a drastic and noticeable improvement. I hope Kings Island will opt for the non-tightening vest restraints.

 

 

Kings Island has stated several times that the restraints tightening will not be an issue.

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As for your question of any Batman clones being closed down, that's sort of silly as ridership has to do with capacity, and they are still running at capacity as are most major rides at Six Flags parks, however if you did a line wait study of the average wait to go on those particular rides, they are definitely not as popular as they once were. From what I have seen, the "forceless" B&M rides have had a much less measured drop off so far. We'll see if that stays, but it is interesting none the less and something that parks do examine.

 

I don't really think this is a fair argument to make, though. In general, most Batman clones reside in parks that have since built multiple signature attractions, so these coasters aren't main draws anymore. However, the larger, less forceful inverts, like Silver Bullet, Afterburn, Flight Deck, ect. are still some of the signature attractions in their respective parks, and therefore have retained more of their ridership.

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However, the larger, less forceful inverts, like Silver Bullet, Afterburn, Flight Deck, ect. are still some of the signature attractions in their respective parks, and therefore have retained more of their ridership.

Weren't rides like flight deck and afterburn still considered old school (especially flight deck)? I've never been on either but that's what I thought.

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I was just naming a few of the larger, more spread out inverts. You're right that Flight Deck is older...but I mean, only 3 new inverts have been built in the US since 2000, so I'm not really sure what our definition of "new school" would be.

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However, the larger, less forceful inverts, like Silver Bullet, Afterburn, Flight Deck, ect. are still some of the signature attractions in their respective parks, and therefore have retained more of their ridership.

Weren't rides like flight deck and afterburn still considered old school (especially flight deck)? I've never been on either but that's what I thought.

 

CGA's Flight Deck is forceless?

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However, the larger, less forceful inverts, like Silver Bullet, Afterburn, Flight Deck, ect. are still some of the signature attractions in their respective parks, and therefore have retained more of their ridership.

Weren't rides like flight deck and afterburn still considered old school (especially flight deck)? I've never been on either but that's what I thought.

 

CGA's Flight Deck is forceless?

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This board definitely needs a "bull poo-poo" smiley.

 

I approve.

How's this?

 

 

After looking at the recent construction, I can't tell if that Zero-G roll looks more or less interesting than previous inverts. It may swing outwards more than the last one, which might generate much more lateral g's no matter what seat you're in, but it just looks... off. Really off.

 

I can't wait to see construction start on the in-line roll, though. That'll be cool.

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However, the larger, less forceful inverts, like Silver Bullet, Afterburn, Flight Deck, ect. are still some of the signature attractions in their respective parks, and therefore have retained more of their ridership.

Weren't rides like flight deck and afterburn still considered old school (especially flight deck)? I've never been on either but that's what I thought.

 

CGA's Flight Deck is forceless?

 

Yeah, wtf... Same with Afterburn. That ride has grey-out forces. I loved it when I rode it this summer.

 

There are only a few tame B&M inverts. Right now I can only think of Silver Bullet and Patriot.

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Just some more speculation, but how do you think the new Wing Coaster type restraints on Banshee will affect the floatiness achieved in the zero-g roll? That is usually my favorite part of riding any invert, and it looks like it will pretty much be eliminated by how securely these restraints are designed to keep you in your seat.

 

Thoughts?

As long as they're the modified restraints where the restraint locks but the vest doesn't, you should be fine. Instead of it feeling like your shoulders are getting crushed, you might feel just a bit of pressure around your waist.

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^ Alpengeist is another one that's considered forceless due to it's drawn out inversions.

Alpengeist is a little less forceful in terms of extremes, but the slightly lower forces are sustained a little bit longer than usual each time. I would definitely NOT consider it forceless, by ANY measure.

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The thing is, the word forceless wasn't used when this conversation was initiated. Just less forceful than the Batman clones. I think it would be unfair (and incorrect) to consider any B&M invert "forceless."

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I've actually been to Hershey twice and Great Bear is one of my favorite inverts because of its setting and unique sequence of elements...haha. While I think the last fourth of the ride is quite boring, I love the rest of it and I didn't feel like it was void of forces. Oh well.

 

I believe the only custom invert that I have yet to ride in the US is Patriot. I'm a pretty big fan of the model.

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Every time I've been on Great Bear (which is quite a few times) I've definitely felt some forces, especially on that initial helix way up in the air. And while yes, the last bit of the ride is rather uninteresting, there really is nothing else B&M would have been able to do. They had to thread the ride back to the station through SDL and Coal Cracker and its own supports, and they didn't get permission by the township to place any supports in the creek. I'm impressed that they were able to do that in the first place.

The placement of the photo at the very end is indeed stupid. But B&M didn't have anything to do with that I think.

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I personally think people tend to associate forcefulness with pacing. They do go hand in hand, but every roller coaster has forces. Duh. The ones people do consider to be "forceless" are the ones that seem to be slowly paced, with drawn out elements and action-less moments. Of course coasters that are more tightly knit do generate higher forces for obvious reasons, but coasters like Alpengeist do also generate those forces, just out of sheer size, and for that reason the elements seem slow and drawn out, which translates to "forceless" or more appropriate... "boring."

 

The only concern I really have with Banshee's layout as far as satisfying my own likes and dislikes would be the ending. From the POVs it looks like the final helix will still have some good pacing to it, but B&M's recent history shows an inability to actually finish a roller coaster...I hope this coaster brings them out of that slump. Perhaps I will just have to visit on a hot wind-less day.

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