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^ It depends on *which* Batman clone you're talking about, as well as if it is theoretical or actual.

 

Real world, I'd say that the Batman clones can probably chew through 1,000ish people an hour with a motivated crew and the right circumstances. I'm guessing that Banshee real world will probably be closer to 1,200ish, but understand that is based on pure speculation right now until the ride is built and we see what the actual thing runs like.

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Get over it man.  You've made your point and we get it; it's silly that this park did not do a Winterfest-lite.  Make the 8 hour drive to KD if you want to experience that, just like all of us with KD

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I am really curious to see how the new trains work out for them. I have not yet been on a Wing Rider yet, so I can't give my own personal testimony to how they are. Granted I also do not know how exactly these compare in size to the older trains, I still would be really curious to see if any of the parks with B&M inverts (especially Cedar Fair Parks) would go ahead and replace the older trains with this newer train. It doesn't look like the new trains are a huge difference in length and width from the old ones, so it wouldn't be like trying to swap Apollo's trains for ones like Behemoth or Intimidator. As for the ride itself, It will be interesting to see how the elevation change effects the speed of the ride.

 

With regards to the comments regarding how B&M coasters have been over the past decade, I think it is safe to say that we all have different opinions about what makes a ride good, and what makes a ride great.

 

For those who feel like some people are bashing B&M too much, I believe we can all agree that B&M has not made their rides as intense as their older ones. It is also true that many of their coasters have had some, if not many, similar features. I also don't think most people who are critical of B&M's practices are saying they hate their rides, but simply that the ride doesn't do what they would like it to do.

 

For those who feel like some give B&M too much credit, I think we can also agree that B&M rides, while maybe not as innovative or as extreme as others, are still fun rides. Features may be similar, but in many cases there is still something that sticks out about a lot of their rides. For me, I feel like the surrounding area can add/takeaway from a ride as much as the actual layout of the ride itself. If you took a ride like Nemesis, and built it with the exact same layout as it is, but on top of a flat piece of land, yes it could still be very forceful, but the ride would loose a little bit of the experience without the close proximity to the ground/trenches. Sometimes the flatness can add to the experience, such as with many hyper coasters since it can add to the feeling of how high up you are.

 

In all honesty, I don't see what is wrong with people saying how they think a ride will be if they can support why they think it will be that way. I also don't see anything wrong with sharing their opinion, even if it is in disagreement with that of another poster here.

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A news report from yesterday stated that Banshee can move 1400 people an hour. That's a real people eater! B&M was a no brainer for KI. The Diamondback is NEVER down. (I bet its uptime is over 99%) KI needed a home run with this one. Not a Bat that fails in 3 years or SOB that injures people and was terrible. They needed a beautiful looking, inverted coaster that eats people and has a tremendous uptime. They just purchased one for 24 million. I am excited for 2014 media day!

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The Diamondback is NEVER down. (I bet its uptime is over 99%)

 

Hmm--that seems to be a wee bit of an exaggeration.

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I saw them evac it the last time I was at KI (three years ago). But they did get it up and running pretty later that day.

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Is this the first barrel roll on a B&M invert?

 

I really wish they'd stop using these shoulder-crushing, self-tightening rubber restraints. I got bruises after two rides on Wild Eagle.

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I'm personally very excited for Banshee! I was there at the announcement and nearly everyone loved it! I can't wait to ride the world's longest inverted rollercoaster Banshee!

 

I saw them evac it the last time I was at KI (three years ago). But they did get it up and running pretty later that day.

 

The only very major downtime Diamondback has had was last year when they closed it for about a week because they needed to do some structural work on some of the footers. Other than that I've never seen Diamondback down for a long time. On Banshee's announcement day they where having (I think) Restraint issues so they closed it down for a little bit.

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thoughts:

 

pros: spread out, large inversions, overall length, great first drop, good pacing, first major USA B&M invert since 97, good addition for Halloween events at the park, new wing rider style harnesses

cons: could use a tunnel/subterrean feature, why not go 8+ inversions, kind of feels like Montu (at least to me), potential for ride to be a bit drawn out with slow elements/hang time

neutral: where is the exact fastest point in the ride if it's not at the bottom of the first drop? why no block brake?

overall: looks like a great ride

 

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You mean since Silver Bullet in 2004

You mean since Patriot in 2006.

 

my apologies, you're correct. forgot about those two

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Also, on an unrelated note, but why doesn't Raptor ever get mentioned with Montu and Dragons ans Alpengeist or Katun or Nemesis as an old school B&M? I love Raptor, almost prefer it to Dragons and Montu, but seems like everyone always forgets about that one!

 

that's actually a pretty good point - raptor is a terrific ride

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Also, on an unrelated note, but why doesn't Raptor ever get mentioned with Montu and Dragons ans Alpengeist or Katun or Nemesis as an old school B&M? I love Raptor, almost prefer it to Dragons and Montu, but seems like everyone always forgets about that one!

 

that's actually a pretty good point - raptor is a terrific ride

 

Its French cousin is even better. Unfortunately Banshee's French cousin (OzIris) is horrible. This means Banshee might be even worse...

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Also, on an unrelated note, but why doesn't Raptor ever get mentioned with Montu and Dragons ans Alpengeist or Katun or Nemesis as an old school B&M? I love Raptor, almost prefer it to Dragons and Montu, but seems like everyone always forgets about that one!

 

that's actually a pretty good point - raptor is a terrific ride

 

I like Raptor. It's not on the level of Nemesis or Montu, but is better than Alpengeist. As for how Banshee stacks up, that remains to be seen.

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I think it's funny that everyone bashes this as forceless already. No one has ridden it unless some of you on here have an amazing setup where you take a POV and put it into your motion-simulator in your basement and ride it that way?

 

Lets look at it though. Parks don't put out coasters just for the 20% of us that are major enthusiasts. They want something the GP will eat up. And with KI being in the top 5 attended parks in the US annually, you think they're worried that 20% of the attendees wont like it? Or are they more worried about that other 80% that will drive hours, spend hundreds of dollars and tell all their friends about it?

 

I mean come on people, we all love coasters, want to see something new, innovative, forceful or crazy, but are you really faulting a park for building a people-eater that the general public will eat up and will generate millions of revenue for them? I bet fast-passes will be very hard to come by next at KI because will buy them just to make sure they can get on Banshee.

 

There's a lot of crazy talk, crazy people and trolling going on for the past 30 pages. Am I a kI fanboy? I guess since it is my home park, but I'm not going to sit here and tell you wonderful the ride will be and how dumb you are for not liking it. The best part of it for me is that it will pull riders from other rides like Dback, Beast, Vortex and all so they will have shorter lines. It's amazing how everyone swarms on here and hates on things that they have no idea about. Just because you're an enthusiast doesn't mean you know it all or can tell from a POV what something is like.

 

And I think the coaster may have cost a little more because it is built on varying terrain so there's more development/structural cost. It's not like most coasters that are built on a flat expanse of land.

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While it is true that has yet to open, a lot of people are basing that off of what they have experienced on the B&M's of the past decade. Sure we won't know for sure how exactly it is until it opens, but that is not to say people can't make informed guesses of what will happen. I would feel it is safe to say that this won't likely hit Batman/Raptor/Nemesis intensity, but it could surprise some folks too. Time will tell for sure how it is.

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. No one has ridden it unless some of you on here have an amazing setup where you take a POV and put it into your motion-simulator in your basement and ride it that way?

 

You don't have one of these yet? I thought they were mandatory for all enthusiasts.......

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The best part of it for me is that it will pull riders from other rides like Dback, Beast, Vortex and all so they will have shorter lines.

 

But my guess is we'll see the lines for Flight Deck get much longer with all the new traffic to that section of the park.

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I'm personally excited for this ride when I visit the park for the first time next year. B&M inverts for me have always been risky because I always either love the ride or come off feeling sick, even if its the same ride. This however, doesn't look like anything I would have a problem with. Its always nice to ride something and not worry about getting sick!

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The ride bashing before it's even built is a normal/typical thing. New ride announcement = "eventhough I have not ridden it yet since int's not even put together this ride is going to be forceless, or boring, or not have enough airtime, etc".... While I will never understand how some people can be total experts on something that isn't even running yet it's amusing how they think they know EXACTLY how the ride is going to be and feel. YOLO coaster was a different story in the sense that many people (including me) bashed it for being really short, which it is, but as it turns out a lot of people THAT HAVE ACTUALLY RIDDEN IT like it a lot and I probably will too, isn't that funny?

 

I LOVE B&M Inverts, long or short, forceful or not, that ride type is a lot of fun to me. This ride looks amazing and I know it's just a rendering but I really like the way the train smoothly and gracefully goes through the elements and this looks like it's going to be a blast, too bad it's so far away from me, I would love to ride it.

 

Have any specs been released yet as far as lift height, etc? I've only seen the speed mentioned.

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I would think that even if it's not forceful, which I would say is going to be unlikely, it's still going to be a very fun ride, it has a unique layout, to barrel rolls, and it doesn't even reach top speed until the middle of the ride, that's pretty cool.

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^ From what I'm seeing with the barrel roll and some of the other elements, things look pretty spaced out, compared to the compact and therefore forceful elements of other inverts. The barrel roll looks like it's going to have an X Flight type of feel to it.

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