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Just last Saturday Kings Island posted this on facebook: "The Vortex gave 1,120,052 rides during its 25th anniversary season in 2012, fourth-most in the park." The three rides at KI that had more riders were: Diamondback- 1.8m, Racer- 1.4m, and Beast- 1.4m. Vortex is a very popular ride. Eventually it will be removed from Kings Island, but not anytime soon. Anaconda on the other hand I could see leaving soon. I don't know the numbers, but I'd assume it was one of the lowest ridden major rides at Kings Dominion.

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^They probably mean declining popularity by the line today VS the line from when I was a kid and extended to Racers entrance!

 

I must say I LOVE Vortex and if it leaves, I will miss it greatly. For some reason, it's the one ride I get off of and say, THAT was a... Rollercoaster.... (I know that may not make much sense). Has to do with the now classic feel and only slight bumpiness. I also ride Vortex multiple times while at Kings Island and I've only had about 2 unbearable rides on it. My height poses a serious problem sitting in the back half of any arrow looping car!

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I knew the day would come when the Arrow Custom Loopers would be on their last legs, but didn't think it'd be this early. I thought Vortex was a pretty great Arrow when I rode it this summer for the first time. (Would of rode it last year, but was during the time the chain broke and was waiting on a replacement.) Didn't think it was too rough, but the main part I was worried about was the dirty water sitting in the bottom of the train getting all of me.

 

With the rumor that the Cedar Fair Corkscrews also might be on the chopping block, is kind of confusing for me, but I can understand those as they were built in the late 70's. Parts shouldn't be too much of an issue as Cedar Fair has a few of those Arrow trains laying around still.

 

Even though the layout for those are pretty much a "RCT-style" element construction, they show the technology used in those days and sadly some of them I know aren't holding up very well. The track construction is probably what's going to do these Arrows in, having the tubing all bent on site, instead of being pre-built inside a factory with exact measurements. I really wish that there would be a possibility that a company would come forward and do a complete track replacement and/or re-profiling for the Arrow coasters. Chance has the highest probability with them being the ones that finished Phantom's Revenge track replacement in 2009 after they bought Morgan. At least with wooden coasters, their track can be replaced as needed, no matter if the original company comes out and does it or not, but seems like with steel, once the track is in place, it's stays there until it's removed.

 

The day that I walk into a park that has an Arrow coaster and I don't hear that distinct anti-rollback clank going up the lift, will pretty much end an era of roller coasters in my book.

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On a side note, Viper at MM seems to be holding up rather well. I get consistently great rides on it time in and time out. They seem to be doing a great job of maintaining it. I am in agreement with the previous poster that said "Some coaster design company could potentially benefit from creating prefab pieces to replace currently failing parts and track/structure." On that note, I thought S&S had bought the Arrow design specs and was currently doing this to some extent. Actually, if memory serves, isn't X/X2 an S&S/Arrow design?

 

Guy "When I say if memory serves, usually it means I'm talking out my ass." Koepp

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AAARRRGGG!!! NOT AGAIN!!! Can't this lousy year just end without causing me anymore misery!? Why does it have to be my favorite coaster? There are 50 lousy Boomerangs in existence, wipe some of them out for crying out loud, not my Arrows!

 

Okay, now that I got that out. I have rode Vortex 9 times last year and 5 times this year. Like all Arrows, if you know how to ride them, they are amazing. I had little to no problems. The only ride I can think of in this segment that would be an upgrade in terms of intensity would be something like Maverick but even then CP already has it. B&M whatever doesn't have the intensity that this does and they are becoming Boring & Monotonous with each addition. I'll tell you what isn't aging well is Diamondback, that thing vibrates more than the Boss with its Gerstlauer trains.

 

Seriously, why can't some company whether it is S&S, Chance-Morgan, Vekoma, or even Premier be used to retrack these and build some trains that will satisfy the people whom hate the old ones. I would much rather ride this with whatever trains than anything those companies have been making (I reserve judgement on the 4th Dimensional coaster until after I ride it).

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Morgan did quite well with the Phantom's Revenge in 2009 when all remaining Arrow track from the top of the lift hill on was replaced. I don't think CF would go this route, but it's certainly possible and it would produce a decent end result.

 

Then again, Morgan (to my knowledge) has not made any inverting coaster track, but I don't see why that would be an issue.

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^While it was several years after Phantom's revenge opened, you could argue replacing the lift track was really part of building an entire new coaster. You just did it in two phases. It probably doesn't make financial sense for a park like KI or KD to replace large amounts of track for a ride that won't move the attendance meter while just replacing the coasters with a new one can increase attendance/revenue.

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Okay, now that I got that out. I have rode Vortex 9 times last year and 5 times this year. Like all Arrows, if you know how to ride them, they are amazing. I had little to no problems. The only ride I can think of in this segment that would be an upgrade in terms of intensity would be something like Maverick but even then CP already has it. B&M whatever doesn't have the intensity that this does and they are becoming Boring & Monotonous with each addition. I'll tell you what isn't aging well is Diamondback, that thing vibrates more than the Boss with its Gerstlauer trains.

 

I've never been convinced by the "if you know how to ride them" argument. My take is that any coaster that you must "know how to ride" isn't aging well or wasn't particularly well designed in the first place. I agree with you about the newer B&M rides not being particularly interesting, though (I think Hair Raiser at Ocean Park is an exception).

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I've never been convinced by the "if you know how to ride them" argument. My take is that any coaster that you must "know how to ride" isn't aging well or wasn't particularly well designed in the first place. I agree with you about the newer B&M rides not being particularly interesting, though (I think Hair Raiser at Ocean Park is an exception).

 

"If you know how to ride them" is misleading. I think the gist of it would be to avoid completely relaxing your muscles/going limp so that the rider isn't thrown around by the forces they're encountering. A rag doll is probably the best example of what (I think) is meant whenever that phrase is tossed around.

 

"If you know how to ride them" reminds me of a lake that notoriously sucks as a fishing spot, but a few questionable locals swear by it because "you just have to use a particular bait and casting technique but you have to make sure it's the 3rd Wednesday of the month between 3:00 AM and 4:00 AM. And you have to make sure you're wearing a green hat."

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How do you re-track a steel coaster, without building a new coaster?

 

Agreed that Phantom's Revenge is an entirely new coaster.

 

In any case, I really thought it wasn't possible but Vortex has to be the worst Arrow coaster that I've ever been on. I tried that, "Maybe if I ride it correctly or in the best part of the train" theory after riding it an excruciating four times in one day since I was with Vortex's biggest fan that day

 

No position or seat made a difference. GASM was and Anaconda is as smooth as butter in comparison.

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My take is that any coaster that you must "know how to ride" isn't aging well or wasn't particularly well designed in the first place.

Absolutely! You shouldn't have to put yourself in brace positions to ride roller coasters. They're designed to be ridden in an upright position with your back against the seat (there are exceptions, of course).

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AAARRRGGG!!! NOT AGAIN!!! Can't this lousy year just end without causing me anymore misery!? Why does it have to be my favorite coaster? There are 50 lousy Boomerangs in existence, wipe some of them out for crying out loud, not my Arrows!

 

It was an amazing coaster back in the day, but now its simply old, and while historic, its not a classic. I'm only in favor of its removal, if they replace it with another coaster, and oh yes I want an BM invert. Paint it black and orange and call it the Bat!

 

Of course I'm also hoping they replace SOB with either a Maverick type coaster or something from Rocky Mountain. I'm still drooling over the Iron Rattler!

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Vortex was an ejoyable ride after I grew up enough that my head cleared the OTSR. What keeps it memorable in my book is that it has a spectacular first drop by Arrow standards. Another nice thing about the first drop is the fact it the layout doesn't go right into inversions; there is a nice, swooping turn after climbing the second hill. The loops are always fun, the corkscrews have good hangtime, the batwing has a neat location, and the helix finale is a little more intense than it looks. The elements may be cookie-cutter, but Vortex got it right.

 

HOWEVER, with all that nice stuff I said, you would think I would campaign against removal, I'm not. Vortex is aging and probably getting costly, the ride very good but not amazing, and there isn't a really iconic steel coaster in the park besides Diamondback. The land Vortex occupies has some very unique opportunities as well. There is huge potential for the predicted replacement. I see opportunity as not only an inverted coaster, but maybe a Maverick/Fahrenheit-esque sit-down. Also, a twisted prefab, Rocky Mtn., Gravity Group, or Great Coasters International woodie would be an awesome neighbor for The Beast next door. Actually, the more I think about it, the more I would like to see a modern wooden coaster in that location if Vortex were to retire.

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I love Vortex as well and would hate to see it go but I understand if it has to. I still think it's quite popular after all these years. The only worthy replacement would be another multi-looper to fill that void.

 

I'd miss it and its towering presence at the far end of Coney Mall.

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