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The park still having the same issues comment. I've been here for years too. You are talking to a guy that swore that I'd never go back. My daughter bugged the hell out of me in 2012 to go back; I've been a season pass holder since. The park is a whole lot different than it used to be. Better employees; 'somewhat' better ops; better upkeep; great Mardi Gras section upgrade last year; the list goes on. You can tell from reading Tripadviser that folks say the same things about the turnaround. Are some things still missing....?..Absolutely! Need newer rides, etc.

 

You went on a bad day. They just opened on Fridays. A 'great many' of their employees were/are still in school. They have been running two trains on Saturdays, and, all of their shops are open on the weekend.

 

You are right about the shade though...kinda. There is plenty by the swing and under the big a$$ umbrellas...lol

 

We disagree and thats ok. I was excited about the Mardi Gras Section and happy to see they filled in that spot that once was were Two Face, and Python stood. I was however sweating bullets the whole time, no shade in the entire section. None of the new rides had shaded areas at all and I left feeling mildly underwhelmed but not disappointed with some of the re-themed attractions. Maybe I am holding SFA to a high standard b/c they are surrounded by some stiff competition: Hershey Park, Kings Dominion Busch Gardens and SFGA are not super far drives from Baltimore and are significantly better and the gap is growing.

 

Now I understand that SFA might be out of some of those parks leagues however even when I went to Dorney Park for the first time a few years back I was impressed at how the park operated and left wishing that it was home park over SFA. I might be being a little harsh but after Friday I feel like I am not missing much and I am happy the tickets I used were purchased at a charity auction. However I am sure that a nice World class coaster addition for 2016 can change my mind.

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Was down in MD visiting friends this weekend and after making a quick stop at American Dream on Friday on the ride down (threw a couple pictures on FB), I started the ride back with a stop at American

I was at the park on that day, too. It was actually my first visit, and I couldn't have picked a better day to experience the desolation that is Six Flags America on a November Sunday. There's no way

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Funny thing is, I'm pretty sure they got a bunch of the shade structures from the abandoned SFNO and simply never installed them... I'm pretty sure these are them, sitting in the backlot as of April 2015...

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I have not been in 2 years and I can't say that they have not be spending money. I see some things look different but it is the little things. The paint on Wild one is chipping and looks awful. They need more shaded area or at least plant more trees or something. I guess I expecting more given that they have had a few years where they have really just hand me down coasters or no big improvements so I thought they would using what ever other money they get to improve the over all feel of the park.

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I think if you had visited on a better day and had experience with the park before the improvements, you'd realize how far they've gone in the last few years. Yes, Wild One could use a paint job--rumors are this could happen--and much more--for its 100th in 2017/2018. What you should understand is that for a park that probably doesn't get a sizable budget for offseason improvements, in the last 5 years or so they've repainted Mind Eraser, Superman, Batwing, Joker's Jinx, and Apocalypse (for the re-theme). To put this into perspective, look at parks like Great Adventure. I love that park to death, but all of their steel coasters look like crap, and Rolling Thunder was worse than Wild One when it was scrapped (side note--Wild One is one of the last remaining classic wooden coasters in the chain that runs decently).

As for landscaping/in park improvements... you must not remember the infamous Southwest Territory. That section was in my mind the worst themed section of any major amusement park I'm aware of. They took this sketchy POS area and made it into possibly the best themed area in the park (along with Coyote Creek) with the best variety of rides in the park. Starting next month they'll have opened up that dead end into Gotham City (under Wild One) and opened their first inverting flat ride in who knows how long (that's my way of saying "quit whining about the Super Loop").

They've also shown signs of improving landscaping as well, with a group of new trees/shrubs by the path between Superman and Batwing. The food selection is slowly but steadily improving with new selections in Mardi Gras.

 

I apologize for the long post, but I think you guys need to recognize the bad hand of cards SFA was dealt over the years, and how nicely they've done what they're able to do.

For a park that got the shaft every announcement season from 2002-2011, I don't think the park has done poorly at all. A true new coaster (or I-box of Roar) will come eventually, when management sees this park is worthy of major capital, but until then--try to appreciate the improvements that have been made instead of bashing the loose ends that aren't that big of a deal.

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^^100% agree. About Wild One: I think they leave it like that on purpose. You know, keep the whole 98 years old theme going. Having gone to the park every year for the last 3 (use to go all of the time between 99-2005 though), I've seen a great many improvements. Best of all, I always have a good time.

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I appreciate all of the comments and I am actually pleased with the responses from so many people coming to the defense of the park. In reflection I went to Cedar Point and Busch Gardens last summer for the first time and then Disney World/ Universal Studios this winter so maybe I was unfairly harsh to SFA given the standard of the parks I have been to recently. However I stand by what I said, MY experience at the park was not good. That is my opinion and it is clear that others disagree and think that the park is moving up the Six Flags food chain.

 

I must admit I am somewhat unsympathetic to the general tone of the argument(s) that SFA really sucked (had one of the worst themed area's ever, has no shade, etc) and not they don't suck as much. The bar is set pretty low if adding a Superloop is seen as a win for the park b/c they have a history not having good flat rides. Additionally Wild one was fun and does run great. Saying SFGA could use some paint however does not negate that Wild one looks awful and needs to be repainted and saying look at SFGA needs paint does not negate the Wild one is in desperate, if not dire need of a paint job. My friend that I went with who is not big on roller coasters thought the ride looked unsafe and unkept. I am sure he thought it looked unsafe b/c it looked unkept. Either way I am sure he is not the only one that thinks about that when they look at the ride, not matter how well it runs. Also SGA does not have the coaster line up SFGA has to fall back on.

 

Most of the people that disagree with me are speaking from the same perspective but different sides. I think we all want to see the park improve and get more love. If they are using a limited budget and stretching it and making it work by get refurbished coasters and making incremental improvement that is great however I think with some attention and money they can be greater.

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In my opinion, an RMC redo of Roar would be the best decision the park could make at this point. I haven't ridden other rough GCI's, but Roar runs rather poorly and never garners a line. SFA could greatly benefit from a smooth, fast paced quality coaster without head banging.

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A few questions for the locals... How well does Roar run? Is it worse or better than Gwazi and Wildcat? How would you guys feel if RMC came in and re-profiled Roar?

 

I only rode Roar and Wildcat once each last fall within a month of each other and apparently I have a high tolerance for rough woodies, because while these get terrible reviews from enthusiasts, I didn't think either of these were particularly brutal. If I had to pick one, I'd say Roar was worse.

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A few questions for the locals... How well does Roar run? Is it worse or better than Gwazi and Wildcat? How would you guys feel if RMC came in and re-profiled Roar?

 

I think Wildcat runs better than Roar, but I like Roar's layout more. I'd rather see a new RMC than a redo of Roar.

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I agree that Roar is rougher than Wildcat. That being said, I thought Gwazi was worse than both of them.

 

RMC renovating Roar would be awesome. Hopefully it becomes a project for them one day.

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I've been on both Six Flags Discovery Kingdom's and Six Flags America's Roar coasters. The one out West is a very good wooden coaster with excellent pacing, good pops of air, and an unpredictable layout. The ride isn't glass smooth, but it's far from uncomfortable. Six Flags America's is slower and lacks the intensity of the one out west while also being rougher. If the park could retrack the rough sections and get Millennium Flyers on it, I think that could be a more economical investment than a RMC treatment.

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Roar has one of the most complex layouts out there so large modifications would be a waste. Topper track might be worthwhile (begs the question of new trains though), or just major retracking and MF trains all at once. Both it and Wildcat show their age and the use of PTC trains compared to Lightning Racer which is just amazing, newer and smoother than anything I can remember. Roar has some seats better than Wildcat and some a lot worse. I can enjoy Roar as it is, a lot. If they added a brand new RMC this would be a woodie park to contend with. A launch would knock it over the top.

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A few questions for the locals... How well does Roar run? Is it worse or better than Gwazi and Wildcat? How would you guys feel if RMC came in and re-profiled Roar?

 

I rode it last week and it wasn't that bad however the person I was with said it was the roughest ride of his life and need to take pain medication. I am pretty tall so I might not be as bothered. I feel like Wildcat is rougher but I have not rode it in a few years.

 

Everyone wants a RMC redo, including myself but I am starting to think it feels kinda cliché, lol

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I don't find Roar particularly rough or unbearable, aside from the last three or four turns which vibrate quite a bit. The ride just doesn't track very well, has no airtime to speak of, and doesn't have the pacing it should for a coaster of its design.

The 2014 retracking in the first half of the ride certainly did help, but won't hold up forever and doesn't make the ride itself better. An RMC retrack (I box) is the best option, IMO.

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Went to the park today. Good time as always. Everything was open, and all rides were running two trains (except mind eraser, which its second train wasn't even on the aux track). I'm basically on here to debunk this no shade thing. I'm guilty of blasting the park for having 'no' shade. There is plenty. Next time anyone goes to the park, actually pay attention like i finally did. There is plenty around most of the seats, under structures, along the edges, etc. Also, there are big a$$ umbrellas in most of the areas. I actually started taking pictures of the shade before realizing that I had to constantly keep my phone out. Could they use a little more? Sure, but it is inaccurate to say that there is absolutely 'no shade'. Some act\sound like they would like a retractable dome around the entire park...lol

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Nope. Running two. It would have been lunacy to run one yesterday. There were a lot of folks in the park on Saturday. I was there between 2-6. One of Roar's trains got stuck on the lift hill yesterday too. The other was on the brake run while it was stuck. I bring that ride up, because I did not get on it. Almost wish I did not ride Batwing. Waited face up in the sun while the other train was being loaded.

 

Maybe a lot of shade is relative. I had no complaints. Maybe I will snap photos next time.

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The no shade comment is not an absolute point but it is really No shade in relation to other parks They park doesn't have very many mature trees or places for shade. When a went a few weeks go Superman wasn't open which was a huge bummer only Wild One was running one train.

 

I don't want to bash the park, it is my home park, though I have adopted Hershey Park as my home park. I want to see the park do better. I don't understand why Six Flags does not invest more into the park. The argument "look at all the infrastructure and little things" they have done is weak b/c all parks do that and some parks do that plus get great rides. SFA it is the fourth largest metro area in the US and they need to act like it. For me they could show their commitment by making a large capital investment into the park that is not hand me down roller coaster.

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I actually agree. As for myself, I never really compare. I love SFOG, but never compare it to other parks. In other words, I just take every park for what it is. I use to love KD, but now I'm kinda tired of it. Busch Gardens never gets old though. Funny, if I compare, Cedar Point makes all others look like mall carnivals IMO (exaggerating a bit, but not much). As long as I have a good time, that's a win for me.

 

As for the shade, I like being in the sun (I'm a beach person). That's what makes me say that a lot of shade is relative. When I'm at the park and want shade, I go under one of the structures,or head to the middle where the swings are; there are big trees there.

 

Water park opens next week FTW!

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I want to see the park do better. I don't understand why Six Flags does not invest more into the park. The argument "look at all the infrastructure and little things" they have done is weak b/c all parks do that and some parks do that plus get great rides. SFA it is the fourth largest metro area in the US and they need to act like it. For me they could show their commitment by making a large capital investment into the park that is not hand me down roller coaster.

Yeah, you're right. Even those that defend this park (as I do from time to time) have been waiting for this park to make a statement for quite a long time. This park desperately needs something. Apocalypse was a decent restart from its worst years, but honestly that ride is crap. SFA really does need some major capital to be on the same level as its competition.

The reason some defend this park is because despite the lack of capital and lack of confidence in corporate for this park to reach its potential, it has continued to improve--however slowly. The landscaping/shade is very slowly, but surely, improving. Mardi Gras is fantastic, and is on the same level of theming/detail as Kings Dominion. Coyote Creek has always been rather quaint and nice. The middle of the park is okay, but could use some work. It's Gotham City that gives SFA a bad name in this department.

 

I really think 2016/17 could be a good year(s) for the park. The Super Loop was a cheap addition, but IMO a smart one. Reports on Gadv's iteration are all positive, so I assume SFA's will be the same. The water park has been recently expanded (2013), the kiddie rides have been updated (2010), and the family rides have made their way (2014/15). Personally, I think a major addition could be on the horizon. Probably not a Justice League dark ride just yet, and while I'd love to see Roar get the iron horse treatment, I think other parks are higher on the list. I predict by 2017, SFA will have either a Skyscreamer or a Fiesta Fexas B:TR clone.

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