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SFA management was at Baltimore Pride a few years ago and I sat and talked to them for a bit. They have not added bathrooms back there because it has something to do with plumbing back there. This is also why no food stands have been built back there. They completely understand that the area is called Gotham City and Superman is back there. They completely acknowledged this looks bad on them as a park but they have to make due with what they have they said. They keep Batwing because yes it is a draw for them, they admitted it has issues and the operations are not up to par but its a money maker so they keep it.

 

They also admitted that yes, they keep taking flats out but would not say if they are looking at bringing more unique. As we see they are slowly bringing in some with the addition of the flyers this year and the ring of fire next year. They kept stating their focus at the time was infrastructure within the employees and current park as it was.

 

I ask them about Mind Eraser getting trains like the one in Jersey and they said at the time there were no plans to bring in new trains. Which makes sense - new trains cost a whole lot of money and we all know that SF Inc does not seem to like to spend too much on this park.

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^ I remember you and I discussed this when we visited the park a few years ago. I hate to tell Six Flags, but a new bathroom by Batwing IS an infrastructure improvement. A new water line only takes two to three weeks at most to install, and the building construction wouldn't be a large investment. It's something they could do fairly easily that will bring customer satisfaction. A new water line would also encourage other new investments in that area in the future.

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Honestly, they could really improve the place if they scrapped Batwing, spruced up Gotham City, and then added a great coaster and a collection of flats behind Superman in Batwing's spot and that empty field.

 

The park would look a lot better if they scrapped Batwing, hid the old path to it and just made Superman the back of the park. Unfortunately Batwing is a big draw so this would never happen but it just looks ridiculous and it makes the path layout a complete train wreck.

 

Scrapping Batwing would be a bad move. Folks love that ride.

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^ I remember you and I discussed this when we visited the park a few years ago. I hate to tell Six Flags, but a new bathroom by Batwing IS an infrastructure improvement. A new water line only takes two to three weeks at most to install, and the building construction wouldn't be a large investment. It's something they could do fairly easily that will bring customer satisfaction. A new water line would also encourage other new investments in that area in the future.

 

That is exactly what I told them. They have lots of land back there and if they built to the left of where the exit of Batwing is they could eventually attach a pathway from there to where the river rapids is.

 

In my honest opinion if they want to get rid of a "major" ride I would take out the river rapids ride or at least improve it. It is one of the worst I have ever rode.

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Honestly, they could really improve the place if they scrapped Batwing, spruced up Gotham City, and then added a great coaster and a collection of flats behind Superman in Batwing's spot and that empty field.

 

The park would look a lot better if they scrapped Batwing, hid the old path to it and just made Superman the back of the park. Unfortunately Batwing is a big draw so this would never happen but it just looks ridiculous and it makes the path layout a complete train wreck.

 

Scrapping Batwing would be a bad move. Folks love that ride.

 

I agree, all I said was that it would improve the path layout not that they should actually do it at this point. It's a total pipe dream.

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Instead of building whistlestop park, they could have used that land for some more flats or a small coaster

I disagree. Yes, they *could* have done this, but with all the undelevoped land SFA has, it really didn't make a difference. And the location is actually pretty good for a kids area, IMO. It is the only kids area in the back and left side of the park, and it breaks up the field of mediocre coasters past Wild One.

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^ I remember you and I discussed this when we visited the park a few years ago. I hate to tell Six Flags, but a new bathroom by Batwing IS an infrastructure improvement. A new water line only takes two to three weeks at most to install, and the building construction wouldn't be a large investment. It's something they could do fairly easily that will bring customer satisfaction. A new water line would also encourage other new investments in that area in the future.

 

That is exactly what I told them. They have lots of land back there and if they built to the left of where the exit of Batwing is they could eventually attach a pathway from there to where the river rapids is.

 

In my honest opinion if they want to get rid of a "major" ride I would take out the river rapids ride or at least improve it. It is one of the worst I have ever rode.

 

SO AGREE I RODE IT AT LEAST 5 TIMES AND I DIDNT GET WET AT. ALL.

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^It sure as hell is a lot better than Penguin's Blizzard River because that has to be one of the worst excuses for a water ride ever. Now that's one ride I consider boring, pointless and barely gets you wet at all.

 

^ I remember you and I discussed this when we visited the park a few years ago. I hate to tell Six Flags, but a new bathroom by Batwing IS an infrastructure improvement. A new water line only takes two to three weeks at most to install, and the building construction wouldn't be a large investment. It's something they could do fairly easily that will bring customer satisfaction. A new water line would also encourage other new investments in that area in the future.

 

That is exactly what I told them. They have lots of land back there and if they built to the left of where the exit of Batwing is they could eventually attach a pathway from there to where the river rapids is.

 

In my honest opinion if they want to get rid of a "major" ride I would take out the river rapids ride or at least improve it. It is one of the worst I have ever rode.

 

A path from Gotham to Coyote Creek would be great, however I can't see it being built unless they remove Mind Eraser or the rapids ride as there is barely any room for a decent sized path to go there.

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I disagree on Renegade Rapids -- seemed to me it's one of the more unique rides in the park. I don't ride the normal soak-roulette rapids rides. Plus it actually has a lot of little rapids (waves) which I don't recall on those other rides. Probably could have a bit more to it, but still liked it. It's more realistic to an actual white-water raft ride (I don't recall seeing rivers that barely move yet have lots of places with water pouring on you).

 

Also, I don't mind how Gotham City looks as much as just feeling, when it's hot, like it's hiking across the desert, or that they're trying to force me to buy a drink. Could use some kind of sprayer or mister somewhere.

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^Granted I haven't been on the Renegade Rapids in years, but I still remember it being one of the better rapids ride. Out of all of the ones I've been on, White Water Canyon is my favorite by far. Roman Rapids at BGW is very disappointing, even thought the waterfall was off when I last went on it. Still it's one of the shortest and most boring ones I've been on. Removing Renegade Rapids would be a bad move imo as it would leave PBR and Shipwreck Falls as the only water rides in the park.

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Also, I don't mind how Gotham City looks as much as just feeling, when it's hot, like it's hiking across the desert, or that they're trying to force me to buy a drink. Could use some kind of sprayer or mister somewhere.

 

Ironically, from what I've been told, the park picked up many of the shade structures SFNO had after that park closed. I'm pretty sure that if you look here (http://binged.it/1xo6M3I) those yellow pieces you see in the field are the supports for the shade structures. Here's an image of the shade structures for reference (http://www.sfno.com/albums/thenandnow/abc.jpg). They have been on the SFA property for years. It's a shame that none have ever been used. The park could really benefit from the extra shade.

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^Granted I haven't been on the Renegade Rapids in years, but I still remember it being one of the better rapids ride. Out of all of the ones I've been on, White Water Canyon is my favorite by far. Roman Rapids at BGW is very disappointing, even thought the waterfall was off when I last went on it. Still it's one of the shortest and most boring ones I've been on. Removing Renegade Rapids would be a bad move imo as it would leave PBR and Shipwreck Falls as the only water rides in the park.

 

Exactly. Taking it out would be a bad move just to build a path. I believe that they could squeeze a path in if they wanted to though. White water canyon is great!

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Looking closely from that image if Coyote Creek and frequenting the park this summer, I can say with near certainty that there is not space for a path without the removal of either Renegade Rapids or Mind Eraser. The rapids come within a couple of feet of Mind Eraser's supports, and just as close to Roar's structure on the opposite end. No matter how you look at it, the rapids come too close to the surrounding coasters to allow any sort of path.

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I doubt that a path would connect to the area near Mind Eraser. I don't see where the path could go without some modifications on the existing rides. That would be costly. However, a could definitely see a path going from in between Apocalypse and Roar back under superman and connection to the Batwing path or simply going around Wild One and connecting in Whistlestop. Actually, if I am correctly thinking this out, I think I recall that SFA has paved a path between Apocalypse and Roar already. While I think maintenance uses it, it is odd that it is paved! All of the other maintenance roads that I have seen as a guest, like back near superman and Batwing, are dirt roads. So perhaps that is a hint that the park has paved out for us already (pun intended).

 

As for Wish List:

TREES

Bathroom in back of Gotham,

Indoor Justice League: Escape from Metropolis

Indoor El Loco Coaster

Sky Screamer (400ft)

S&S Free Spin Coaster

MORE TREES

Gotham Re-theme

End Dead-ends

As for WildOne's 100th - I don't want them to change this ride. Just spruce up with some paint and re-track the whole thing .

Extreme Wish List:

Custom RMC topper-track wood coaster

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Looking closely from that image if Coyote Creek and frequenting the park this summer, I can say with near certainty that there is not space for a path without the removal of either Renegade Rapids or Mind Eraser. The rapids come within a couple of feet of Mind Eraser's supports, and just as close to Roar's structure on the opposite end. No matter how you look at it, the rapids come too close to the surrounding coasters to allow any sort of path.

 

If Apocalypse wasn't so close to Roar I could see a path placed in between where the gates are as seen here. It's enough for maintenance vehicles to get through, but I doubt it's big enough for a decent sized path but who knows, maybe it is?

 

^Edit:Beat me to it.

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^^ I like your wishlist. I think the Justice League dark ride and El Loco would work really well in the space between Batwing and Superman. If they really wanted to get crazy, they could build both in the same building with separating walls. I don't think a 400ft Sky Screamer would work, though. A smaller one would probably be better.

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