ginzo Posted May 19, 2008 Share Posted May 19, 2008 Renting a Qbot would be easier. Maybe they could build a combination Q-bot/Taser. I don't doubt that SFOG has clientèle problems. Two incidents come to mind: 1) The brutal beating at the bus stop outside the park that multiple EMPLOYEES were accused of taking part in. I believe that occurred last year. 2) The shooting in the parking lot in 2006 where the idiot shot the wrong people. SFOG is still one of the nicer Six Flags parks in terms of coasters and just overall niceness of the facility. I think you can work around the above problems by either going early in the season (as I did last year) or, as Erik said, simply renting a Q-bot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bolliger&Mabillard Posted May 19, 2008 Share Posted May 19, 2008 Knott's Berry Farm- I used to work at Xcelerator for summer 2006. We dispatched trains consistantly every 1:10. I went last weekend. Every 2-3 minutes. I was talking to the shiftlead about that. She told me the crew got an hourly count of about 300 people. When I worked at the Riddler's revenge last summer, I would take unload side by myself and still check seats faster than the two people on the load side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelTheFORCE Posted May 19, 2008 Share Posted May 19, 2008 ^ I was at KBF in the summer of 2006 (the end of June to be exact), and I do remember the Xcelerator crew doing a great job at dispatching! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bspellx5 Posted May 19, 2008 Share Posted May 19, 2008 Great Escape- Dispatching one train every 5+ minutes on the all-of-30 seconds Steamin Demon, and having the ride operators be the ones to put your restraint down. -Only letting 2 cars run on at a time on the Alpine Bobsled, when the wait is almost always 20-25 minutes or more -Having the Condor never open, especially now that its the most thrilling flat in the park [Just plain sad] -Not adding a non-kiddie flat ride since the Huss Pirate that came in 1994..but removing about 20 since then. Hersheypark- Running one train on the Comet when the queue is through almost every switchback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimace Posted May 20, 2008 Share Posted May 20, 2008 Of all the theme parks i have been to SFoG is by far the worst and now that i have ridden Goliath i really don't care to visit ever again and i basically tell everyone i know not to go there. It's not safe and you could get killed. I don't understand how you can say that when you live in Charlotte. In every single aspect of your complaint Carowinds in MUCH worse. Based on my visits to the two parks, SFOG has the better staff, the better guests (although both can get pretty bad in peak season), and a WAY better ride collection. Line jumping isn't nearly as bad at SFOG as it is at Carowinds, and at least at Six Flags you get line jumped in the shade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrillgeek Posted May 20, 2008 Share Posted May 20, 2008 I really haven't had any problems of any kind except for park employees who didn't care in the past. They seem to be doing allot better now however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QueenCityBoy Posted May 20, 2008 Share Posted May 20, 2008 This is not based on rides. It's based on line jumping, how clean the park is and weather i can spend an entire day at SFoG without getting killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimace Posted May 20, 2008 Share Posted May 20, 2008 ^Well, you've visited the park 10 times and you're clearly still alive, so I don't think that has been much of an issue. I didn't make a case for simply rides, I don't think there are many people out there who would legitimately argue that Carowinds has better rides than SFOG. I have never seen line jumping as bad at SFOG as I have at Carowinds, and I can't really put one park over the other in terms of cleanliness (although I can pick a winner for number of trash cans). Just my opinion though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParkTrips Posted May 20, 2008 Share Posted May 20, 2008 Yeah, let's not forget Holiday World's complete lack of understanding of how a cargo pocket, zippers, gravity and physics work. If Cedar Fair took this place over, would you be able to tell? Other than the extra trash cans? They would charge money for the nasty Pepsi.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coaster05 Posted May 20, 2008 Share Posted May 20, 2008 This is not based on rides. It's based on line jumping, how clean the park is and weather i can spend an entire day at SFoG without getting killed. Again I ask "Why do you keep going back". Plus if you really want to cheat death go to Mount Olympus, the ride ops there are the enemy. Joe and Dave I thought CF did own Holiday World. It sure seems like they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QueenCityBoy Posted May 20, 2008 Share Posted May 20, 2008 Carowinds win in trash cans i'll give you that. I kept going because they built Superman, Deja Vu & Goliath and i wanted to up my count. The reason i went so much is because it took 6 trips just to ride DejaVu cause it was closed so much. I honestly never stayed more than a few hours. I went to ride Goliath twice and then left. Same for Deja Vu. 2 rides and left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coaster05 Posted May 20, 2008 Share Posted May 20, 2008 ^Then I have to say you are the best return on investment in Deja Vu history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimace Posted May 20, 2008 Share Posted May 20, 2008 ^ I almost died laughing when I read that I'm telling you, Wild Adventures needed to buy Deja Vu. They never open their rides anyways, so think about how many times they could get him to visit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QueenCityBoy Posted May 20, 2008 Share Posted May 20, 2008 It not like the park got any of my money. I would hate to pay to go into a park like that. The year Superman opened i won tickets off the internet. The year DejaVu opened i won a Season pass off the internet and the year Goliath opened a friend in Atlanta sent me a free ticket. Parking was easy to get around without paying. Just tell the toll people your turnning around or your just staying long enough to process your pass and your not paying to park. One time i drove up to the toll and as soon as the guy said $10 i started yelling in a different language. After about 10 sec he just waved me through. They even fell for my family is here and they locked their keys in the car. I'm just takeing them an extra set. Gotta love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bolliger&Mabillard Posted May 20, 2008 Share Posted May 20, 2008 ^ I was at KBF in the summer of 2006 (the end of June to be exact), and I do remember the Xcelerator crew doing a great job at dispatching! Why Thank You! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ginzo Posted May 20, 2008 Share Posted May 20, 2008 Parking was easy to get around without paying. Just tell the toll people your turnning around or your just staying long enough to process your pass and your not paying to park. One time i drove up to the toll and as soon as the guy said $10 i started yelling in a different language. After about 10 sec he just waved me through. They even fell for my family is here and they locked their keys in the car. I'm just takeing them an extra set. Wow, bragging about criminal behavior. YOU ROCK DUDE!$#!@#$!@ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bolliger&Mabillard Posted May 20, 2008 Share Posted May 20, 2008 ^^^Parks will get their money one way or the other, It's clinicly proven. Best example is when parks promote "Toys for Tots". When you get in a park for free, you feel like you own the place, and throw around the same cash you would have spent on a ticket anyway. I seriously doubt that getting around parking is that easy. I'm not calling you a liar, but you may want to extinguish your pants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coaster05 Posted May 20, 2008 Share Posted May 20, 2008 It not like the park got any of my money. I would hate to pay to go into a park like that. The year Superman opened i won tickets off the internet. The year DejaVu opened i won a Season pass off the internet and the year Goliath opened a friend in Atlanta sent me a free ticket. Parking was easy to get around without paying. Just tell the toll people your turnning around or your just staying long enough to process your pass and your not paying to park. One time i drove up to the toll and as soon as the guy said $10 i started yelling in a different language. After about 10 sec he just waved me through. They even fell for my family is here and they locked their keys in the car. I'm just takeing them an extra set. Gotta love it. Funny how you are worried about violence happening in the park, but you have no problem lying or stealing. I'm thinking when the ass kicking comes it should be chalked up to karma. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janster Posted May 20, 2008 Share Posted May 20, 2008 Tornado at Parque de Attracciones de Madrid: They only run the ride when there are 20 passengers. With few people in the park when I was there and with spanish kids not understanding english (so I couldn't explain them that the ride was actually open), it took about an hour before the train was filled. The train crawles through the track, it probably valleys with few people in it. Stupid Intamin ride btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sam06pr Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 It not like the park got any of my money. I would hate to pay to go into a park like that. The year Superman opened i won tickets off the internet. The year DejaVu opened i won a Season pass off the internet and the year Goliath opened a friend in Atlanta sent me a free ticket. Parking was easy to get around without paying. Just tell the toll people your turnning around or your just staying long enough to process your pass and your not paying to park. One time i drove up to the toll and as soon as the guy said $10 i started yelling in a different language. After about 10 sec he just waved me through. They even fell for my family is here and they locked their keys in the car. I'm just takeing them an extra set. Gotta love it. you would never get away with me if you come to my park. I hate kissing peoples butt when they are wrong. I do not care if they get mad, its the rule. from this post I am assuming you are spoiled person who likes to get away with stuff. and cheap too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
padresguy619 Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 These are some of the poorest complaints I've ever heard from anybody. Rides closed due to rain, running only a certain amount of cars, small capacity per hour is all for safety reasons. There's certain rules that the ride operators have to follow for safety reasons. That's something that nobody seems to realize but decides to complain about anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sam06pr Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 These are some of the poorest complaints I've ever heard from anybody. Rides closed due to rain, running only a certain amount of cars, small capacity per hour is all for safety reasons. There's certain rules that the ride operators have to follow for safety reasons. That's something that nobody seems to realize but decides to complain about anyway. Well Sort of CP policy was stupid, glad they changed that. BGA policy goes like this: (which makes more sense to me) When it rains lightly all the rides will remain open (with exeption of cheetah chase, jungle flyers and skyride), when it rains a bit harder class 1 will go down (Roller Coasters, anything that has wheels or a roller coaster break system), When it starts to rain hard then class 2 will go down (flats like the carousel and kiddie rides) If there is lightning within 5 miles of the parks all the rides shutdown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
okinawaboy11 Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 You would think, of almost all the enthusiasts that despise SFA that they would get enough complaints from the general public to actually do something about these slow operations. Has anyone ever written a letter or an email to them about a bad trip and gotten a response? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airtime Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 ^^According to SFAFANS.com, they believe it is still getting work done off site. They hardly ever run two trains anyway. We did? If we are talking Superman, Superman pretty consistently runs two trains from May through October. I've never really noticed the cussing/texting/etc, I think he was embellishing his story a little bit. but as Larrygator said, they do seem to employ SOME decent human beings. Agreed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bolliger&Mabillard Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 As a former employee of both a Six Flags and a Cedar Fair park, I would not complain about certain things such as a "minimum rider requirement" or "rain policy". There are some things you learn as an employee that most guests, or even enthusiasts would not know. In that same respect, you learn things about manufactures (if you care about learning about your ride). Here are some examples to clear some of that up: Goliath at SFMM cannot run unless there ar 15 riders due to weight distribution when the train hits mid-course and main brakes. Vekoma boomerangs and giant inverted boomerangs require a minimum of 6 riders to operate. That is a rule from the manufacturer Xcelerator at KBF cannot run in rain because the water on the launch causes the wheels to loose friction with the track and cause a "short shot" or a rollback, which causes the ride to go down. Most B&M's cannot cycle in windspeeds higher than 25 mph because they have a chance to valley. Things people CAN complain about: All B&M's are designed with a "RAIN MODE" which enables it to run without slipping through drive tires/pinch wheels, BUT it requires one train operation. Waiting in a long line for a ride that generally never has a long line. (If you see ride ops. working hard, but see they're understaffed, yell at guest relations, and not the ride) If employees are rude. One of the biggest issues is the "No Preferred Seating" policy. That is a double edged sword and here is why. A grouper is designated to assign people where to go for two reasons, one to keep the line at a steady flow and two wait times at all points at approximately the same wait. Problems people seem to have with the grouper: They can't sit where they want They are rude Problems people seem to have with NO grouper Linecutting Longer waits for front sections with shorter waits for back sections crowding/stagnant flow near queue gates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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