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Magnetic braking loses stopping force the hotter it gets so with the constant train cycling + summer heat, those trims will have no affect on the ride quality.

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In spite of it being one of my absolute favorite parks, I usually only make the trip out to Hershey once a year. However, thanks to my 2020 plans going right into the crapper I'm working with what I'v

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LOL it almost seams like a waste of time to put something that small on the track expecting it to affect the ride in anyway but Intamin are the engineers so I guess it will do what they want it to.

 

Also about the -2 g's I know NO Limits is a game but in that game you can't go over -1.5 g with out the screen flashing to yellow or red so how is it possible for Skyrush to safely operate with -2 g's without causing red out and on consciousness. I read on the net that anything approaching negative -2 g's or more can cause permanent damage to blood vessel in the brain or even cause aneurysm. I'm not complaining about airtime just trying to figure out if what I've been reading on the net about g's is wrong.

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^^Look at my post at the top of the page. Legal limits permit -2 G's of airtime (the absolute max) before 0.2 seconds of negative G's have passed.

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I can't wait for Hershey! I'm going tomorrow, not next weekend... But what rides should I ride first? I was thinking this: Stormrunner, Sidewinder, Fahrenheit, Wildcat, Lightning Racer (The second side I ride will be my 100th coaster! WOO HOO! ), then Great Bear, Comet, and SooperDooperLooper. No kiddie rides because I'm not a credit whore... Sound like a good plan?

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Not a bad plan, but I'd reverse the order of Sidewinder and Fahrenheit. Storm Runner and Sidewinder are close, granted, but Fahrenheit can have a very slow line.

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That was my photo of the trim brake that I sent to a friend of mine. He must have posted it on Facebook. I briefly passed by the site today and snapped two photos of two of the supposed three trims. This one is at the base of the "Stengel" dive. The other just after the apex of the second air time hill. I didn't see a third one to be honest, but I didn't look too hard either.

 

I have to say, I like that these brakes are small and spread out - that should really minimize their affect on the ride experience. It would be really neat, as they look to be electrically driven magnetic brakes, if they could turn them on and off as needed.

 

It would be great if Kings Dominion could do something like this for I-305, and eliminate that long dragging brake at the end.

 

To those that said that I-305 and Skyrush were designed with these trim brakes in mind... I don't think that's completely accurate. They were designed to have trims placed if needed (brackets). I'm not sure if that's what you guys meant. But there is a huge difference in saying that and saying the rides were designed to use trims from the beginning.

 

Fahrenheit has a similar bracket after the cobra roll. It has yet to have a brake installed. Again, many B&M rides are built with mechanical trim brakes that can be turned on and off as need (the preferred method, in my opinion). Designing rides with trims installed, or spots for trims to be installed is common. Designing rides with the intent to use trims makes no sense to me.

 

Again, Intamin is known to push the envelope, which is great. We can all appreciate that. But we've seen them cut that margin too close so many times, that pre-opening adjustments have had to be made (Maverick, I-305, now Skyrush).

 

I'm sorry, I'd rather ride a ride that has nothing tugging on the train as I'm riding. Intamin's rides may be more fun and intense, but I'd rather they play the design just a tad safer (re: the margins), as to not have the ride trimmed after the fact. I see no reason, with today's technology and experience, that a brand new ride should need to be trimmed.

 

*Edit - I just saw the photo comparison from user XYZ. If this Intamin brake can't be turned off, then I would rather have the B&M version.

 

Also, it looks as if, since these brackets are much longer than the brake itself, more brakes can be added as needed. Let's hope it stays with these minimal brakes for now.

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The i305 brakes were in place when that section of track went up, before testing. Also, the ending is perfectly thrilling with those trims on, including the airtime hill that they sit on.

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I read on the net that anything approaching negative -2 g's or more can cause permanent damage to blood vessel in the brain or even cause aneurysm. I'm not complaining about airtime just trying to figure out if what I've been reading on the net about g's is wrong.

 

Supposedly S&S blast off towers achieve -2g at the top. And the Mondial Capriolo flat ride hits -4g.

 

I wonder what kind of possibilities we could have if humans had as high as tolerance for negative g as they do positive.

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The i305 brakes were in place when that section of track went up, before testing. Also, the ending is perfectly thrilling with those trims on, including the airtime hill that they sit on.

 

I don't remember that. Just so we're clear, you're referring to the same brakes that came off when the first drop brakes were installed? I also disagree that the ending is perfectly thrilling with the brakes. For me it was lacking, compared to the rest of the ride.

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I can't wait for Hershey! I'm going tomorrow, not next weekend... But what rides should I ride first? I was thinking this: Stormrunner, Sidewinder, Fahrenheit, Wildcat, Lightning Racer (The second side I ride will be my 100th coaster! WOO HOO! ), then Great Bear, Comet, and SooperDooperLooper. No kiddie rides because I'm not a credit whore... Sound like a good plan?

 

I would actually advise hitting Fahrenheit first, even before StormRunner. To say Fahrenheit has a slow line is an understatement. As a season pass holder who only goes on weekdays, I still only average 2 rides per summer because of the lines and slow operations.

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I can't wait for Hershey! I'm going tomorrow, not next weekend... But what rides should I ride first? I was thinking this: Stormrunner, Sidewinder, Fahrenheit, Wildcat, Lightning Racer (The second side I ride will be my 100th coaster! WOO HOO! ), then Great Bear, Comet, and SooperDooperLooper. No kiddie rides because I'm not a credit whore... Sound like a good plan?

 

I would actually advise hitting Fahrenheit first, even before StormRunner. To say Fahrenheit has a slow line is an understatement. As a season pass holder who only goes on weekdays, I still only average 2 rides per summer because of the lines and slow operations.

 

 

Ditto: if you don't get to it first thing, you will be waiting a minimum of 45 minutes if you want to ride it. And I stress minimum.

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The i305 brakes were in place when that section of track went up, before testing. Also, the ending is perfectly thrilling with those trims on, including the airtime hill that they sit on.

 

I don't remember that. Just so we're clear, you're referring to the same brakes that came off when the first drop brakes were installed? I also disagree that the ending is perfectly thrilling with the brakes. For me it was lacking, compared to the rest of the ride.

 

Yes they were installed as they are now. They were removed when the drop trims went up, and replaced when the drop trims were taken off.

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Tons of rides (by multiple companies) are built with trim brackets if they're needed, but eventually not used (Silver Bullet and Fahrenheit). It just turns out Skyrush exceeded expectations during testing and needs to be slightly trimmed. I don't think there will be a problem with the trims on Skyrush.

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To those that said that I-305 and Skyrush were designed with these trim brakes in mind... I don't think that's completely accurate. They were designed to have trims placed if needed (brackets). I'm not sure if that's what you guys meant. But there is a huge difference in saying that and saying the rides were designed to use trims from the beginning.

 

Just like Fooz is saying, those brakes have been there since original testing. They were designed into the ride. It's the kind of thing that happens when a park asks for for a 300-foot roller coaster in a tiny plot of land - you need brakes at some point. Just like I said before, I305 was designed with the brakes, and Skyrush was designed with the possibility of brakes.

 

Also, is that actually even a brake? It doesn't look like any Intamin brake I've ever seen... the trims on all their other rides are the same magnetic fins as found on their final brake runs.

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Magnetic braking loses stopping force the hotter it gets so with the constant train cycling + summer heat, those trims will have no affect on the ride quality.

 

I'm pretty sure it would take a really high temperature to have any kind of significant effect on a magnet's magnetic field. If anything, those losses would be offset by the increase in train speed due to high temperatures. When you have higher temperatures, bearings heat up and obviously the train runs faster. The magnetic field is directly affected by the speed at which a particle is passing through it. The faster the fins on the train are going through the magnetic trim brake, the force that it exerts back increases. So even if the temperature did have any kind of significant effect on the strength of the magnets, the fact that the train is also going faster due to the heat, simply mean that the magnetic brakes are still going to have a stronger magnetic field than before.

 

Also, constant train cycling really has no effect on the temperature of those magnets because the fins on the train never actually physically touch the trim brake. Any increase in temperature is going to be from external effects (the sun) only.

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Maybe they are there for the adverse weather conditions. Like to keep it at pace during hot summer days, and then off when it is cooler to keep the train moving at the required speed. During halloween and springtime, the temps are pretty cool up that way and sometimes the coasters can't run because of the temps??? Just my 2 cents......

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Also, is that actually even a brake? It doesn't look like any Intamin brake I've ever seen... the trims on all their other rides are the same magnetic fins as found on their final brake runs.

They're the same type used on zac-spins with a permanent magnet on the track and a fin on the car.

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Ok guys why are we making a big deal out of these trims?

 

It's 3, itty bitty magnetic brakes that we will most likely not even feel when riding. The train is still gong to fly, and there's still going to be lots of airtime, mostly ejector probably. Can we please get over it? I'll be the first to admit I'm a nerd and love discussing all the tech stuff, but this is just ridiculous.

 

Sorry, just my two cents.

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Can we please get over it? I'll be the first to admit I'm a nerd and love discussing all the tech stuff, but this is just ridiculous.

 

 

It's like fighting a grease fire with a Super Soaker. People see a trim brake and a lot of times conclude that they're being shorted. Kind of a what it is, as opposed to what it could have been scenario. Based on the Intamin airtime machines I've been on, I'm not going to worry that these will have a significant impact on the ride. Nothing like the castration which occurs on the camelback hill that turns Raging Bull into Mildly Aggravated Dairy Cow, at least.

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Bottom line is you wont feel it and if its that much of a concern then that's too bad that someone would worry about something like that.... just too bad. If it was a significant change then maybe but seriously.... its only .3 of a mph... THREE TENTHS!

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I don't understand why people are getting so bent out of shape. I could see if they trimmed the whole drop ala Intimidator 305*, but this is three ridiculously tiny spots that will make little difference.

 

*-My only ride on I305 was with the trimmed drop and despite that it's still the best roller coaster I've ever ridden.

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