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P. 272: New coaster announced for 2023!

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Am I the only one really confused about this picture? It took me a while to understand, I think that is a printed construction wall and the equipment is peering out from above? It's just a weird wall. I feel dumb.

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6 hours ago, Hilltopper39 said:

Did anyone ever figure out what the surf coaster is? A new version of the standup maybe?

Ah yes. The B&M surf coaster pulls into the station and you sit down as per the normal then a mechanical arm raises you up and flies you to the beach for some gnarly surf waves and chicken tenders.

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Whatever it is, I hope it has a <54" height restriction. With Ice Breaker being bumped up to 54" it would really be a shame if the park plopped in a 5th coaster with a 54" height restriction and nothing in between those and Super Grover.

Although, unfortunately, with this being a B&M coaster I suppose that is unlikely unless it is something entirely new from them. Nonetheless it is exciting to see their original post-2020 plans ramp back up again!

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6 hours ago, Hilltopper39 said:

Did anyone ever figure out what the surf coaster is? A new version of the standup maybe?

It's a sit-down train with OTS lap bars, similar to a Mack train, but the actual seats have shock absorbers that allow them to float up and down for added silliness on hills.  That's according to (supposed) leaks, at least, so take it with a grain of salt until anything's comfirmed.

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On 4/14/2022 at 10:05 PM, KBrylczyk said:

It's a sit-down train with OTS lap bars, similar to a Mack train, but the actual seats have shock absorbers that allow them to float up and down for added silliness on hills.  That's according to (supposed) leaks, at least, so take it with a grain of salt until anything's comfirmed.

 

That seems like a mechanical nightmare that is asking to break. I don't see B&M creating something so ludicrous, that's Intamin territory.  If anything it's a reimagined stand up with less extreme forces so that it's re-rideable. That's why it's called surf, it probably has lots of smooth gliding turns with minimal forces. Im expecting something like Icon or Taiga. Not saying those have minimal forces, talking about the turns and lack of large drops. 

What is Sea World doing? ice breaker just became even more pointless.  Now - it is just a really small unexciting adult ride. 

 

Sea World's old plan was to add thrill rides to balance out the kid oriented aquariums and whatnot. Give the teens and adults something to do. Now that Peta is trying to put them out of business, they need to pivot to being a full fledged amusement park. 

They simply need at least 6 family and bridge roller coasters. off the top of my head;

GG 40 ft woodie,

GG 70ft shuttle woodie,

Gerstlauer launched family with reverse section,

Gerstlauer spinner,

Gerstlauer 70 ft Infinity w/ vertical lift and 1 inversion.

Ice Breaker can fit in as the 6th if they fix the ride height requirement.

If not; 

Intamin 100 ft mega twister

The park absolutely needs a Giga without question and they need to seriously consider a Tera as well. 

 

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7 hours ago, rachelmadcow said:

 

 

That seems like a mechanical nightmare that is asking to break. I don't see B&M creating something so ludicrous, that's Intamin territory.  If anything it's a reimagined stand up with less extreme forces so that it's re-rideable. That's why it's called surf, it probably has lots of smooth gliding turns with minimal forces. Im expecting something like Icon or Taiga. Not saying those have minimal forces, talking about the turns and lack of large drops. 

What is Sea World doing? ice breaker just became even more pointless.  Now - it is just a really small unexciting adult ride. 

 

Sea World's old plan was to add thrill rides to balance out the kid oriented aquariums and whatnot. Give the teens and adults something to do. Now that Peta is trying to put them out of business, they need to pivot to being a full fledged amusement park. 

They simply need at least 6 family and bridge roller coasters. off the top of my head;

GG 40 ft woodie,

GG 70ft shuttle woodie,

Gerstlauer launched family with reverse section,

Gerstlauer spinner,

Gerstlauer 70 ft Infinity w/ vertical lift and 1 inversion.

Ice Breaker can fit in as the 6th if they fix the ride height requirement.

If not; 

Intamin 100 ft mega twister

The park absolutely needs a Giga without question and they need to seriously consider a Tera as well. 

 

 

Yep, the company that couldn't even pay for their rides needs to add 6 coasters to one park alone.  That makes sense.

And news flash - PETA has been trying to shut down SeaWorld since the beginning of either.  It's nothing new.

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8 hours ago, rachelmadcow said:

 

 

That seems like a mechanical nightmare that is asking to break. I don't see B&M creating something so ludicrous, that's Intamin territory.  If anything it's a reimagined stand up with less extreme forces so that it's re-rideable. That's why it's called surf, it probably has lots of smooth gliding turns with minimal forces. Im expecting something like Icon or Taiga. Not saying those have minimal forces, talking about the turns and lack of large drops. 

What is Sea World doing? ice breaker just became even more pointless.  Now - it is just a really small unexciting adult ride. 

 

Sea World's old plan was to add thrill rides to balance out the kid oriented aquariums and whatnot. Give the teens and adults something to do. Now that Peta is trying to put them out of business, they need to pivot to being a full fledged amusement park. 

They simply need at least 6 family and bridge roller coasters. off the top of my head;

GG 40 ft woodie,

GG 70ft shuttle woodie,

Gerstlauer launched family with reverse section,

Gerstlauer spinner,

Gerstlauer 70 ft Infinity w/ vertical lift and 1 inversion.

Ice Breaker can fit in as the 6th if they fix the ride height requirement.

If not; 

Intamin 100 ft mega twister

The park absolutely needs a Giga without question and they need to seriously consider a Tera as well. 

 

Peta is stupid. Seaworld rescues and rehabs so many hurt or injured animals 

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4 hours ago, Mike240SX said:

 

Yep, the company that couldn't even pay for their rides needs to add 6 coasters to one park alone.  That makes sense.

And news flash - PETA has been trying to shut down SeaWorld since the beginning of either.  It's nothing new.

Not paying for a ride when it won't be used is just good business. Disney obv did the same but Vekoma was too scared to talk about them. 

Seaworld can definitely get loans to install them, not really a question. Seaworld is just very fiscally conservative and they don't like having a bunch of loans being paid back simultaneously. Like they wait for the whole ride to be paid back then install another. 

PETA gave out anti seaworld gifts to the people attending the 2022 Slap Oscars. ..

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49 minutes ago, rachelmadcow said:

Not paying for a ride when it won't be used is just good business.

So you're in the camp that believes the reason they didn't open Iron Gwazi, Pantheon, or Ice Breaker last year was because they didn't want to, not the fact that they hadn't finished paying for the rides?

And no, it's no "good business."  In the business world, typically contractors like to be paid when they're supposed to be, per the original contract, not on whenever the customer decides to pay them.  I would not be surprised if Intamin, RMC, and Premier kindly decline working with them for the near future.

49 minutes ago, rachelmadcow said:

Seaworld can definitely get loans to install them, not really a question. Seaworld is just very fiscally conservative and they don't like having a bunch of loans being paid back simultaneously. Like they wait for the whole ride to be paid back then install another.

The same "fiscally conservative" company that tried to buy Cedar Fair last year?  Also realize how contradictory your last sentence is there to the entire point you've been trying to make.

Whatever you're smoking, please share with the group.

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8 hours ago, Mike240SX said:

So you're in the camp that believes the reason they didn't open Iron Gwazi, Pantheon, or Ice Breaker last year was because they didn't want to, not the fact that they hadn't finished paying for the rides?

And no, it's no "good business."  In the business world, typically contractors like to be paid when they're supposed to be, per the original contract, not on whenever the customer decides to pay them.  I would not be surprised if Intamin, RMC, and Premier kindly decline working with them for the near future.

The same "fiscally conservative" company that tried to buy Cedar Fair last year?  Also realize how contradictory your last sentence is there to the entire point you've been trying to make.

Whatever you're smoking, please share with the group.

Why are you so mad at sea world not paying rmc and premier. a lot of people and business stopped all spending because nobody knew how long we would be shutdown and people kept dollars in house. 

no youre right the people working at these places are contractors theyre not business people. Seaworld already made it clear they don't care about working with them when they didn't pay them. 

That just means they can raise a lot of money in financing, which is what i said. I didnt know they tried to do that.

Seaworld should buy SixFlags and just keep the core parks selling off SFA and darien lake, great escape...frontier city

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13 minutes ago, rachelmadcow said:

Why are you so mad at sea world not paying rmc and premier. a lot of people and business stopped all spending because nobody knew how long we would be shutdown and people kept dollars in house. 

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Seaworld should buy SixFlags and just keep the core parks selling off SFA and darien lake, great escape...frontier city

I'm not particularly "mad" at them...just lost faith in their ability to operate.  And yeah, everyone who stopped complying with the terms of contracts that they had entered is just as bad.

That last comment...again, please share whatever is clouding your mind.  It must be some good shit!

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We've officially left planet Earth and are somewhere orbiting Pluto at this point.  What's with people suddenly knowing more about the intimate details of purchase agreements and operations of mega-corporations than the people actually running said mega-corporations?  You're a customer.  You won't convince anyone how to run their park.  Just, you know, stop.

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18 hours ago, Mike240SX said:

I'm not particularly "mad" at them...just lost faith in their ability to operate.  And yeah, everyone who stopped complying with the terms of contracts that they had entered is just as bad.

That last comment...again, please share whatever is clouding your mind.  It must be some good shit!

Im sure they don't care. Obviously the banks didn't lose faith in them which is all that matters. 

I mean you tried to use their ability to raise billions in funding as a negative. I don't think it's me that is clouded. Like I said I didnt know they tried to buy CF.

Six Flags is a better fit for SeaWorld because they can get access to DC comics characters which is what they really need to compete with Disney. 

You know someone learns about net 30 and suddenly they are a Rothschild. Paying the people that deliver shredded lettuce to the qdoba someone works at doesn't give the payer a full scope of the economy. 

 

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On 4/16/2022 at 12:30 AM, rachelmadcow said:

 

That seems like a mechanical nightmare that is asking to break. I don't see B&M creating something so ludicrous, that's Intamin territory.

 

Let me know when you think of any B&M ever produced that was a 'mechanical nightmare'... I'll wait.

When B&M does something, they spend the time/money to do it right on the design/engineering front. There is -zero- concern from parks spending coin on B&M that there is a risk of things being unreliable or be a 'mechanical nightmare'.

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On 4/16/2022 at 9:50 AM, rachelmadcow said:

Not paying for a ride when it won't be used is just good business. Disney obv did the same but Vekoma was too scared to talk about them. 

LOL, you have ZERO clue what you are speaking about. Typically, when a company enters into a contract to build something, the manufacturer, contaractor, ect puts a lean against the park for collateral. This ensures the they are less likely to get screwed by a park not paying. That lean isn't released till the debt is paid. That is what loans are for, if you don't have the cash on hand. This is what likely happened and why the rides didn't open. SW lost their operating income and possibly didn't have cash, or could not / chose not to get loans to cover those payments.  Once the payment was made, the lean was released, and the rides could open. 

It is not good business for any company to do what you're describing. Furthermore, you have ZERO insight into how Disney and Vekoma have structured their contracts. Or if there was any lapse in payment (and I seriously doubt there was)

I am a vendor for Disney, and I sell them a shit ton of metal every day. They continued to pay on all their bills from me through the entire pandemic. So it seems unlikely that they would have not paid their favorite attraction manufacturer, if they continued to pay me.  

 

 

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Good job it wasn't an adult, otherwise the height limit could have been raised to 6ft 😂

Hopefully the park have a longer-term solution seeing that the lower height limit was a big selling point for the coaster. I assume the B&M Surf Coaster will come along and fill this void though so I guess it's not a huge issue for anyone but Seaworld.

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29 minutes ago, KarlaKoaster said:

Good job it wasn't an adult, otherwise the height limit could have been raised to 6ft 😂

Funny thing is the taller you are, seems more likely that you’d break your leg trying to get in and out of those horrendous trains. 

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I want to apologize to the people I laughed at when they said Cedar Fair or Six Flags have better operations than the SEAS parks.

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To clarify, Mako was running 1 train with 2+ minute dispatch times (on a B&M hyper with no seat belts) and ride ops who let the train sit on the brake run a few times because they weren't paying attention. End result was a 45 minute wait when the park is nearly empty and Kraken kept flying by with 8 people in the train. Charging nearly $100 per person to watch your star coaster run 1 train with terrible dispatch times should be considered a form of larceny.

Ice Breaker was a hoot but definitely a strange coaster. A couple good pops of air. And a walk on because they were actually running 2 trains and usually dispatching trains before the one before it came back.

Whale show was great as always and also saw the Sea Lion and Otter show which was cute and humorous.

Made my way back towards the front, riding Atlantis for the first time after a 30 minute wait. Acceptable amount of wetness in the back seat felt fantastic on a day like today, but glad I didn't sit in the front and drown on that little hill. The whole ride is actually really well done, felt like I was back at Disney.

Hopped into the back on Kraken which was a walk on and this is starting to,get a bit brutal in some spots. Maybe it was the half empty train, but you can visibly see the cars shaking in some spots. The zero G was particularly brutal. It's a pretty forceful ride (though not to be confused with Kumba, Montu, or Hulk) but I can see why it's kinda becoming unpopular with the general public. Paint job looks great though.

Hit Manta after a 10 minute wait or so. This has the greatest queue of any ride at any park. Super air conditioned with waterfalls at the beginning and aquariums the rest of the way. Anyway, it's a fun ride with its swooping around fountains and palm trees, what isn't fun is getting stacked on the brake run for 3+ minutes in the flying position.

As much as I wanted to stay and see more shows and animals, the lack of shade on a 90 degree day after 9 straight days in the Florida heat was starting to get to us so we quit early. Other than the atrocious ops at Mako, we had a much better day there than at Busch Gardens and next time I would love to hit it early in a trip so we have more energy to see the other shows and exhibits.

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FYI there's a flash sale today for Friday the 13th for Howl O Screams ticket to SeaWorld and Busch Gardens. $66.66 for two tickets good for any night of the event which is a pretty good deal.

 

Also I just noticed on the teaser website for the Orlando event page they have some little cryptic images and descriptions, presumably for the houses/scare zones/attraction etc. But three of the the images are a shark, and manta ray, and some ice cubes, so hopefully that means Mako, Manta, and Ice Breaker will be open for the event this year. I had a blast at this event last year but 2 more coasters in the mix would have been nice so hopefully that's true this year. 

 

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https://seaworld.com/orlando/events/howl-o-scream/

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^I will say that last year the way they ran the event they were able to open up a second section of the park for private events and run both simultaneously.  Kristen had her homecoming dance in the Antarctica area with Kraken included while Howl o Scream was going on on the other side of the park!

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4 hours ago, SharkTums said:

^I will say that last year the way they ran the event they were able to open up a second section of the park for private events and run both simultaneously.  Kristen had her homecoming dance in the Antarctica area with Kraken included while Howl o Scream was going on on the other side of the park!

Had no idea they were doing that.  Beats my old homecoming dances for sure. Good use of the space.  

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