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P. 265: Ice Breaker Opening February 2022

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We love SeaWorld but they're boxing themselves into a strange situation. I don't want to bring up politics on a theme park site unnecessarily but it's clear to see what they're doing. They're pandering a bit to right leaning crowd since so many people on the other side of the aisle have a less-than-favorable view of them.

I wasn't comfortable getting into it either but now that you have, I can say that I've also been noticing that, and it IS weird! Some people I know actually kind of frown on me for having a SeaWorld pass for that reason.

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We love SeaWorld but they're boxing themselves into a strange situation. I don't want to bring up politics on a theme park site unnecessarily but it's clear to see what they're doing. They're pandering a bit to right leaning crowd since so many people on the other side of the aisle have a less-than-favorable view of them.

I wasn't comfortable getting into it either but now that you have, I can say that I've also been noticing that, and it IS weird! Some people I know actually kind of frown on me for having a SeaWorld pass for that reason.

 

I almost didn't post it and I'm trying really hard to keep from injecting my politics into it in hopes that nobody else will, I really just think it's weird that they're targeting the niche-iest of niches and you can't NOT talk about it because it's just so weird.

 

"Hey, do you want to make America great again but also learn about only eating sustainable seafood, fighting climate change and saving sea turtles by purchasing re-usable straws? We have just the place!"

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We love SeaWorld but they're boxing themselves into a strange situation. I don't want to bring up politics on a theme park site unnecessarily but it's clear to see what they're doing. They're pandering a bit to right leaning crowd since so many people on the other side of the aisle have a less-than-favorable view of them. They go out of their way to salute the troops before each Shamu show for no apparent reason, they do the Waves of Honor thing, their concert lineup heavily skews towards country music, their Christmas Shamu show is about Jesus which is hilarious, they've diversified the Christmas event in general in Orlando by laying in heavy on the religious side of things while nobody else does, they have the Praise Wave music series. They then preach to that crowd about saving the planet which... LOL. I get why they need to pander to the people that they're pandering to because the other side doesn't generally like them (again, with exceptions of course) but that group is generally less likely to wear a mask in a theme park because mask wearing has become politicized because our country politicizes everything.

 

The whole thing is a bit weird.

 

I think you also might be underestimating just how religious many Latin American people are. These people make up a huge group that is still in the SeaWorld camp as well. Most hispanic tourists (not necessarily hispanic Americans) are also far more right-wing than many would believe as well. Abortion is illegal in all but three Latin American countries, except for in cases to preserve health or save a women's life. (https://reproductiverights.org/worldabortionlaws?country=ARG) The entire Three Kings Celebration, based on Hispanic traditions centered around the arrival of the three wise men, was created with them in mind. SeaWorld has always saluted the troops at the Shamu shows long before keeping whales in captivity was even 1000th on the list of controversial things. I think it's more so that SeaWorld just does not see a need to change who they have always been.

 

As for people not wearing masks... all I'll say is...we'll see how Six Flags does.

 

Edit: This wasn't meant to be confrontational, just wanted to point out another core constituency of SeaWorld Entertainment and point out what they have been doing to cater to them as well. You did give some good points and insights. It certainly is a one of a kind mix of people that go to SeaWorld. The exceptions are interesting though, particularly the few extremely environmentally conscious people that like seaworld. It's almost like the conservationist community as a whole is still split on seaworld/zoos and aquariums on the whole.

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I don't understand you point. I know that there are a lot of conservatives to market to. My point is that they're targeting a really small niche of conservatives who are conservative but want to go somewhere and be preached to about saving the planet all day.

 

It just seems like they're walking a weird tightrope and not really sure what they want to be or who they want to attract.

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I think in SeaWorld's mind, they are trying to skirt the line to attract everyone. I think they believe the conservationist messaging alone will be enough to eventually attract the left. They appeal a bit more culturally to the right just to give those people a reason as well. They want conservation to be an inclusive movement, not an elitist exclusive one. Not saying it's a good strategy, but if I had to get inside their head, that's probably at least close to their train of thought. Free beer is the big one though... everyone likes when they do free beer.

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I think in SeaWorld's mind, they are trying to skirt the line to attract everyone. I think they believe the conservationist messaging alone will be enough to eventually attract the left. They appeal a bit more culturally to the right just to give those people a reason as well.

I'm sorry but wearing a mask should not be a "political" thing. That's so insanely stupid. I wear a mask because it helps the good of everyone. I don't give a fuck if they are "left" or right" and anyone that thinks that way really has other issues that I'm not sure how could be addressed.

 

It's honestly a shame that asking people in this country to do something simple for the good of everyone was way too much to ask. We were just talking tonight how Japan, after the 2011 earthquake, all got together and voluntarily shut off lights and other electronics for "power saving" and it worked. We can't even come anywhere close to that level of respect for others.

 

I mean, this sums up my feelings exactly:

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I think in SeaWorld's mind, they are trying to skirt the line to attract everyone. I think they believe the conservationist messaging alone will be enough to eventually attract the left. They appeal a bit more culturally to the right just to give those people a reason as well.

I'm sorry but wearing a mask should not be a "political" thing. That's so insanely stupid. I wear a mask because it helps the good of everyone. I don't give a fuck if they are "left" or right" and anyone that thinks that way really has other issues that I'm not sure how could be addressed.

 

It's honestly a shame that asking people in this country to do something simple for the good of everyone was way too much to ask. We were just talking tonight how Japan, after the 2011 earthquake, all got together and voluntarily shut off lights and other electronics for "power saving" and it worked. We can't even come anywhere close to that level of respect for others.

 

I mean, this sums up my feelings exactly:

 

Hey Robb! When talking about appealing culturally to the right, I think the bulk of the conversation was centered around first of all the fact that SeaWorld still calls it "Christmas Celebration" and not "Holiday In the Park" or "Winterfest". Additionally the shows within, such as O Wondrous Night, contain strong religious overtones. In addition to that it was noted that SeaWorld makes a very strong point to thank military members before Shamu shows and offer free admission to veterans. I agree masks should not be political, but they are. Not following park policy is not an option. Choosing whether or not the park makes masks a policy requirement is an option that the parks get to make, however. We have seen some parks require and others not. I'm curious what you think of Fun Spot's policy and if you have visited or plan to visit them during the pandemic.

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Hey Robb! When talking about appealing culturally to the right, I think the bulk of the conversation was centered around first of all the fact that SeaWorld still calls it "Christmas Celebration" and not "Holiday In the Park"

Seriously, WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU!?!?!

 

Now "Christmas" is a political thing??!?!

 

Can you please just stop posting to our forums? I'm not joking.

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When Seaworld did their presentation to Orange County last month, they said masks would be mandatory and social distancing measures would be in place. If this continues not to be enforced, could Orange County take measures against the park? For example fining them or telling them to temporarily close?

 

In the UK (not a model template in dealing with coronavirus, for sure) companies have to be 'covid secure' prior to reopening and can be fined/closed if they don't follow guidance. I was wondering if it was the same in the US as I'm not really sure how these things work there.

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I know people that say I will not wear a mask. Then get on Facebook and get mad that everything is canceled. Just wear a mask to do your part and this will all get back to normal sooner.

 

I am waiting for you to go back and see how Sea world is this week or next.

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When Seaworld did their presentation to Orange County last month, they said masks would be mandatory and social distancing measures would be in place. If this continues not to be enforced, could Orange County take measures against the park? For example fining them or telling them to temporarily close?

 

In the UK (not a model template in dealing with coronavirus, for sure) companies have to be 'covid secure' prior to reopening and can be fined/closed if they don't follow guidance. I was wondering if it was the same in the US as I'm not really sure how these things work there.

The U.S. Government has basically left any and all procedures regarding COVID-19 to the individual states, only offering (limited) recommendations as to how they should proceed. The President has threatened to "step in" if he feels that a state is not opening as fast as he thinks it should, though analysts have concluded that he may not have the legal authority to do so and he has not done so yet, for any state.

 

Florida's government is very pro-business and has always wanted to see things close later and open sooner. The Governor, a noted ally to the President, is attributing the increase in COVID cases in the state to an increase in overall testing, though some outlets have reported that the increases are due to premature re-openings and / or inconsistent mask and distancing enforcement throughout the state, as well as a potential under-reporting of confirmed cases.

 

Based on the fact that their plan was approved because of the supposed mask / distancing enforcement, I wouldn't be surprised if Orange County had the ability to penalize them as part of the agreement. Though, the county stepping in and doing so may draw political backlash that they might not to deal with, not just from citizens doing civil disobedience, but potentially from the state government as well.

 

I've read some reports from other coaster people that part of the reason why SeaWorld and Busch Gardens acted the way they did was because they were just completely unprepared for their openings, though I can't confirm that myself. I have reservations coming up so I'm interested in seeing if things change after they've been opened for a few weeks.

 

Disclaimer for those who read this later: My attempted neutral analysis doesn't change the fact that mask wearing is not a political issue and shouldn't be treated as one. Wear your mask. Please.

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Hey Robb! When talking about appealing culturally to the right, I think the bulk of the conversation was centered around first of all the fact that SeaWorld still calls it "Christmas Celebration" and not "Holiday In the Park"

Seriously, WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU!?!?!

 

Now "Christmas" is a political thing??!?!

 

Can you please just stop posting to our forums? I'm not joking.

 

You can do a quick google search to see how the use of the word Christmas has become political. Seriously, just look it up. It’s not something made up at all. Also, nice job keeping the forums PG-13 like you say you strive to do in the terms of service. It’s just the nature of the world we live in. If you don’t like it maybe that says more about this country than it does about me, but in any case I’m happy to leave the forums. It was good while it lasted Robb! I would delete my own account, but as far as I know there isn’t a way to do that.

 

Edit: Here are some links because I like to back up my discussions with links, sources, and professional opinions

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/2401251002

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2016/12/19/us/war-on-christmas-controversy.amp.html

 

https://wbckfm.com/the-word-holiday-is-now-politically-incorrect/

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.history.com/.amp/news/the-war-of-words-behind-happy-holidays

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/think/amp/ncna1106181

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^ No it’s ok, thank you. I’m just waiting to get banned at this point. I have been nothing but civil and insightful to everyone in this forum. I just don’t feel the need to censor myself from talking about very real topics raised by another user in relation the theme parks. Civility in discourse and dissent is exactly why we have so many problems in the world today. Just because you don’t like a perspective that you hear that is simply analyzing national trends does not mean it will go away if you bully someone to stop talking about it. That’s exactly why we are so fractured right now as a nation and I thought TPR would be the last place I’d ever see that happen.

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When Seaworld did their presentation to Orange County last month, they said masks would be mandatory and social distancing measures would be in place. If this continues not to be enforced, could Orange County take measures against the park? For example fining them or telling them to temporarily close?

I seriously hope so! That park should NOT have been allowed to open or continue to operate if they are not going to do the things they said they were going to do in order to be allowed to re-open.

 

We plan on going back next week. We'll see what it is like then.

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When someone asks you to stop doing something, maybe try stop doing it instead of doing it again. *shrug*

This is extremely good advice, especially on a private forum where someone had to "opt in" to be here, but sadly as seen at so many at theme parks every day where many people also feel that they are "above the rules" and can do whatever the hell they want to, his behavior does not surprise me.

 

Thank you for your support.

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Thanks for taking the time to explain about the laws surrounding reopenings, AJ, that's really interesting. I feel like Seaworld's plans were well intentioned but badly managed. I can't wait to hear follow-up reports to see if they nip the problem in the bud.

 

For me the lack of people wearing masks was a self-fulfilling prophecy in that as soon as a few people go unchallenged, everyone else thinks 'why bother' and give up and it snowballs from there. It's sort of like a gum wall where as soon as one person sticks some gum there and it's not removed, everyone does it!

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We love SeaWorld but they're boxing themselves into a strange situation. I don't want to bring up politics on a theme park site unnecessarily but it's clear to see what they're doing. They're pandering a bit to right leaning crowd since so many people on the other side of the aisle have a less-than-favorable view of them.

I wasn't comfortable getting into it either but now that you have, I can say that I've also been noticing that, and it IS weird! Some people I know actually kind of frown on me for having a SeaWorld pass for that reason.

 

I almost didn't post it and I'm trying really hard to keep from injecting my politics into it in hopes that nobody else will, I really just think it's weird that they're targeting the niche-iest of niches and you can't NOT talk about it because it's just so weird.

 

"Hey, do you want to make America great again but also learn about only eating sustainable seafood, fighting climate change and saving sea turtles by purchasing re-usable straws? We have just the place!"

That's a really interesting theory.

 

I don't know if the Florida anti-mask rightists are the reason masks aren't being enforced by the park, but whatever the case, I hope the park gets it under control soon. The park is going to have a bigger problem on their hands if they become known as the park "where you go to get COVID" because they weren't enforcing distancing and people start getting sick after visiting. I highly doubt that Disney is going to have that problem.

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My SeaWorld San Diego Platinum Pass (that I paid for in full) was accepted at the parking booth, but not the front gate. I had to wait in the general ticket line (15-20 groups, 1-2 windows open) to get it sorted out. Has anyone else had a similar issue? It sounded like the error was caused by the San Diego park currently being closed.

 

I saw multiple employees asking guests to put their facemasks back on, but guests were only putting them on until that employee looked away or wearing them below their nose.

 

As for the operations, they were bad. Rides ran at quarter capacity with glacially slow cleaning cycles in between. I wish the park would use the hand sanitizer system of Universal Orlando or even the power washer system Family Kingdom used on Swamp Fox.

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I'm not going to visit places running the "SeaWorld" system. The "Universal" system seems to work (at least as well as before ), hopefully it's what everyone not open yet is going to do!

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Not only is the “Universal system” of squirting sanitizer in hands before (and after?) each cycle so much faster, it seems more effective than what I’m sure if a very half-assed cleaning of the train after each cycle.

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