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We were a little early for this festival this year, but it's always a great time. I'm definitely jealous. I always look at SeaWorld as a great "chill out" day and an awesome compliment to the fast paced Disney and Universal parks. There's nothing better than sitting in the sun by the lake, listening to live music, eating awesome food and drinking a craft beer while thinking about the poor bastards shoveling snow back at home.

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the food looks amazing (tho I still find it funny as hell that SeaWorld has a food festival focusing on seafood).

 

but the price is extremely reasonable, and if I were anywhere near there would be going multiple times.

 

thanks for the report, something to plan on trying to get to in the future!

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I looked on the SeaWorld Orlando website, but unlike BGT, didn't see anywhere they have posted ride refurb closings for this year. Does anybody happen to know this information, where to find it, or whether the coasters at SWO even go through the scheduled downtime? Thanks!

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I was a SeaWorld Orlando Saturday and it's hard to imagine that this park is struggling...Cause it was packed! Every show was full, all the rides had wait times and the pathways were jammed. Lines for food and drinks were even long. It was this way at Busch Gardens too on Sunday. Both places were incrediaby crowded. People still love these parks! So, I'm not a believer of people who say attractions are being shut down for cost cutting measures. Maybe, there's a plan for future development in those areas of the park. Getting tired of people assuming shit and acting like there's a problem. SeaWorld looks to be doing just fine!

 

Also, Journey to Atlantis is open again! Was happy to see that this past weekend. But, the Sky Tower is back to charging money again. $2 a ride if you're not a pass holder.

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Getting tired of people assuming shit and acting like there's a problem. SeaWorld looks to be doing just fine!

 

Yup. Just fine.

 

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5 Year SEAS stock price, which is made even more pathetic by the strong upward trend in the market over this same period of time.

SeaWorld reports that their attendance and revenue are down in Q3 2017

SeaWorld reports that their attendance and revenue are down in Q2 2017

SeaWorld (SEAS) Q1 2017 Loss Wider Than Expected

SeaWorld sees drops in attendance, revenue in Q4 2016

Crappy Q3 2016 Conference Call Transcript

SeaWorld shares sink to record low as attendance keeps falling Q2 2016

SeaWorld reports net loss, says Florida attendance down (Q1 2016)

... and so on, and so on

 

But yeah. SeaWorld is doing fine! I too am sick of people "assuming there's a problem" just because the stock price is tanking in an otherwise spectacular market and the park has been directly reporting major attendance and revenue drops every single quarter for years. Fake news!

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Also, Journey to Atlantis is open again! Was happy to see that this past weekend. But, the Sky Tower is back to charging money again. $2 a ride if you're not a pass holder.

 

Hopefully it will be open when I'm there in 2 weeks. It was closed back in November. I really wanted to get the views of the B&Ms from the air.

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Getting tired of people assuming shit and acting like there's a problem. SeaWorld looks to be doing just fine!

 

Yup. Just fine.

 

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SeaWorld reports that their attendance and revenue are down in Q3 2017

SeaWorld reports that their attendance and revenue are down in Q2 2017

SeaWorld (SEAS) Q1 2017 Loss Wider Than Expected

SeaWorld sees drops in attendance, revenue in Q4 2016

Crappy Q3 2016 Conference Call Transcript

SeaWorld shares sink to record low as attendance keeps falling Q2 2016

SeaWorld reports net loss, says Florida attendance down (Q1 2016)

... and so on, and so on

 

But yeah. SeaWorld is doing fine! I too am sick of people "assuming there's a problem" just because the stock price is tanking in an otherwise spectacular market and the park has been directly reporting major attendance and revenue drops every single quarter for years. Fake news!

 

 

I get this reply. It makes sense you would say this in reply to my post. I agree with the stock going down and attendance dropping. But I was talking about attractions being closed. There hasn't been any confirmation on why attractions are closed. There is confirmation on layoffs. But when people say an attraction is being closed down because of that, it isn't confirmed. It's a possibility, but not confirmed. That was my point.

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Your post never implied that you were specifically talking about ride closures, just the fact that you went and the park was busy that particular day so "SeaWorld looks to be doing just fine!"

 

Either way though, even if you're just referring to ride closures... come on.

 

They talk at length about their (in their words) "cost reduction efforts" on their conference calls. On their Q3 call Marc Swanson stated that they had identified an additional 25 million in potential cost savings and "fully expect to achieve $40 million in net fixed cost savings by the end of 2018". Eventually you run out of people to lay off.

 

Do you honestly expect a "confirmation" on that? They're not going to state openly that they're closing rides for budget and not reducing ticket prices.

 

They've closed

 

- Theater by Zagora Cafe

- Gwazi

- Rhino Rally

- Terrace Restaurant

- Bird Gardens Gift Shop

- Tidal Wave

- Curiosity Caverns/ Jambo Junction

- Questor

- Jungle Flyers

- Wild Surge

- Treetop Trails

- Curse of DarKastle

 

...and others and left them sitting unused, and that's just their East Coast parks.

 

They've also cut back operating hours, cut back on show times, replaced Blue Horizons with a cheaper show, fired the mimes from the Clyde and Seamore show and closed tons of food stands. They haven't replaced any of these things (except Blue Horizons with a cheaper show). They have re-opened a few things seasonally.

 

Obviously these are budget moves. They speak openly about their cost reduction efforts and they haven't replaced any of these things. Hell, they haven't even been able to afford to remove most of them. They just leave things sitting around because they have no money.

 

Of course they're budget cuts.

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Oh come on. They talk at length about their (in their words) "cost reduction efforts" on their conference calls. On their Q3 call Marc Swanson stated that they had identified an additional 25 million in potential cost savings and "fully expect to achieve $40 million in net fixed cost savings by the end of 2018". Eventually you run out of people to lay off.

 

Do you honestly expect a "confirmation" on that? They're not going to state openly that they're closing rides for budget and not reducing ticket prices.

 

They've closed

 

- Theater by Zagora Cafe

- Gwazi

- Rhino Rally

- Terrace Restaurant

- Bird Gardens Gift Shop

- Tidal Wave

- Curiosity Caverns/ Jambo Junction

- Questor

- Jungle Flyers

- Wild Surge

- Treetop Trails

- Curse of DarKastle

 

...and others and left them sitting unused, and that's just their East Coast parks.

 

They've also cut back operating hours, cut back on show times, replaced Blue Horizons with a cheaper show, fired the mimes from the Clyde and Seamore show and closed tons of food stands. They haven't replaced any of these things (except Blue Horizons with a cheaper show). They have re-opened a few things seasonally.

 

Obviously these are budget moves. They speak openly about their cost reduction efforts and they haven't replaced any of these things. Hell, they haven't even been able to afford to remove most of them. They just leave things sitting around because they have no money.

 

Of course they're budget cuts.

 

You have a good point. But what about the new additions?

 

- Mako

- Cobra's Curse

- Electric Eel

- Wavebreaker

- InvadR

 

Hell, they're even giving Sesame Place a new coaster. I think we should give SeaWorld more credit. I think getting old attractions shut down is sad...But they're still adding new stuff. I think people focus so much on the negative about SeaWorld and forget about all the positive. And I like Blue Horizons replacement!

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Your post never implied that you were specifically talking about ride closures, just the fact that you went and the park was busy that particular day so "SeaWorld looks to be doing just fine!"

 

"So, I'm not a believer of people who say attractions are being shut down for cost cutting measures."

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You know what, I started to type something up but I got to the point where I just realized that arguing with someone who says that Busch Gardens Tampa's ride closures aren't budget cuts is like arguing with a flat-earther. It's just not worth it.

 

I'm possibly the biggest SeaWorld fan on this site. It's our favorite park in Orlando, my better half owns half of the SeaWorld gift shop. Busch Gardens is my favorite park in Florida. We go to Busch Gardens and SeaWorld all the time and have had Platinum Passes for years. I would love for what you're saying to be true... but it's insane.

 

Williamsburg has actually made out pretty well lately since it's the only major park in the chain that they can dump money into and actually expect attendance growth since it's the least connected to the SeaWorld brand. Busch Gardens Tampa has gotten killed lately. SeaWorld has done a better job with their budget cuts, but they have so few rides anyway that obviously they're not going to come in the form of ride closures specifically. You're not closing a B&M or a massive, prominent water ride. What else do they have really? The Sky Tower? Yeah... they close that all the time and now it's an upcharge. The only other rides they have are pretty much animal habitats and they need to pay to staff those and care for those animals anyway which is most likely way more costly than operating the actual Antarctica and Wild Arctic attractions. They can't really close them.

 

The additions they've made are nice (generally they're coasters since they're marketable and cheap to operate compared to a water ride and cheap to build and operate compared to a highly themed, Sea-World style dark ride / habitat like Antarctica), but in many parks they don't come close to making up for the budget cuts (see:Tampa).

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Your post never implied that you were specifically talking about ride closures, just the fact that you went and the park was busy that particular day so "SeaWorld looks to be doing just fine!"

 

Either way though, even if you're just referring to ride closures... come on.

 

They talk at length about their (in their words) "cost reduction efforts" on their conference calls. On their Q3 call Marc Swanson stated that they had identified an additional 25 million in potential cost savings and "fully expect to achieve $40 million in net fixed cost savings by the end of 2018". Eventually you run out of people to lay off.

 

Do you honestly expect a "confirmation" on that? They're not going to state openly that they're closing rides for budget and not reducing ticket prices.

 

They've closed

 

- Theater by Zagora Cafe

- Gwazi

- Rhino Rally

- Terrace Restaurant

- Bird Gardens Gift Shop

- Tidal Wave

- Curiosity Caverns/ Jambo Junction

- Questor

- Jungle Flyers

- Wild Surge

- Treetop Trails

- Curse of DarKastle

 

...and others and left them sitting unused, and that's just their East Coast parks.

 

They've also cut back operating hours, cut back on show times, replaced Blue Horizons with a cheaper show, fired the mimes from the Clyde and Seamore show and closed tons of food stands. They haven't replaced any of these things (except Blue Horizons with a cheaper show). They have re-opened a few things seasonally.

 

Obviously these are budget moves. They speak openly about their cost reduction efforts and they haven't replaced any of these things. Hell, they haven't even been able to afford to remove most of them. They just leave things sitting around because they have no money.

 

Of course they're budget cuts.

 

Their current CEO let Oz Cat stand for years. HFE wasn't exactly broke. It was one of the first things the hat seemed to happen when Manby left. Tidal Wave seemed to close about the same time Lowery Park's new flume was known. Not saying that is the reason it closed but it certainly made it expendable anyways. Before I go all doom and gloom, let's see what they announce for 2019 for both BGs

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Ozark Wildcat was in a closed amusement park, not one that's open to guests 365 days a year with guests walking right by a giant closed coaster. Why would they pay to remove it? Also, I guarantee you that Busch Gardens doesn't care about Lowery Park's log flume. What does any of this have to do with anything?

 

I feel like this conversation is going off the rails. I honestly don't even understand what point you guys are trying to make. What I said was in response to a post stating that "SeaWorld is fine" and that they're "not a believer of people who say attractions are being shut down for cost cutting measures" because some guy went there and it happened to be busy that day. I love the parks, they can turn it around, but they're not "fine". The chain as a whole is making massive budget cuts all over the place, they're reporting attendance losses quarter after quarter and their stock price is in the toilet for a reason.

 

But yeah, they closed Tanganyika Tidal Wave in April of 2016 and left it sitting abandoned for 2 years "for future expansion". Gwazi has been sitting abandoned for 3 years "for future expansion". It's an essential part of the RMC conversion process. You need to let the ride age for 3 seasons and not touch it before you can begin work on it. It's like fine wine, apparently.

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Ozark Wildcat was in a closed amusement park, not one that's open to guests 365 days a year with guests walking right by a giant closed coaster. Why would they pay to remove it? Also, I guarantee you that Busch Gardens doesn't care about Lowery Park's log flume. What does any of this have to do with anything?

 

I feel like this conversation is going off the rails. I honestly don't even understand what point you guys are trying to make. What I said was in response to a post stating that "SeaWorld is fine" and that they're "not a believer of people who say attractions are being shut down for cost cutting measures" because some guy went there and it happened to be busy that day. I love the parks, they can turn it around, but they're not "fine". The chain as a whole is making massive budget cuts all over the place, they're reporting attendance losses quarter after quarter and their stock price is in the toilet for a reason.

 

But yeah, they closed Tanganyika Tidal Wave in April of 2016 and left it sitting abandoned for 2 years "for future expansion". Gwazi has been sitting abandoned for 3 years "for future expansion". It's an essential part of the RMC conversion process. You need to let the ride age for 3 seasons and not touch it before you can begin work on it. It's like fine wine, apparently.

 

when we were at BGT just about 2 years ago, we didn't even realize that Tidal Wave had been there (we apparently went just weeks after it shut down). so I'll give them credit for hiding the fact that there HAD been something there (as opposed to Gwazi, which was sitting right there in the middle of the park with the entrance "disguised" with planters

 

now, we DID actually comment how little there seemed to be right there, since there was a train stop, it seemed odd that only Shiekra and Stanley Falls was there. .but we didn't know there was a shuttered ride.

 

agreed that it's a shame that Seaworld is having budget issues (it's obvious to me the closures/shutdowns are due to money issues).. . but I'm glad we got to go before some of the really big closures hit (I loved Jambo Junction area)

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Hi fellow enthusiasts.

 

I'm heading to this park Monday and was wondering what other attractions/shows are a must-do/see other than the coasters?

 

Come to think of it, I've never been to a marine theme-park before. Any suggestions?

 

Thanks!

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It depends what you like and everyone is going to be different.

 

Since you're going to SeaWorld I assume that you want to see some cool animals so check the website, decide which ones you really want to see and decide based on that.

 

Note that Wild Arctic and Antarctica are more of a time investment than the other animal exhibits since you need to ride a ride in both cases to see the animals inside. Both are worth doing but I'm not opposed to hopping in the "non riders" lines because the rides themselves are pretty mediocre in both cases. You're really doing it for the animal exhibits.

 

Unlike with Wild Arctic and Antarctica, you can see the animals from above by walking up the exit of the Turtle Trek ride if you don't want to watch the movie, but it won't have a line so you might as well. You get underwater viewing then too which is much better. Full Disclosure when reading this advice... I have a thing for Turtle Trek and might be biased. It gets me in the feels.

 

I highly recommend the shark aquarium and pacific point due to the limited time investment they require. They're both great... in one case because the exhibit is super cool and in the other case because they have sea lions and I mean... what else do you really need in life?

 

All of the shows are great, my personal favorites are Clyde and Seamore's Sea Lion High and One Ocean but your mileage may vary. You can also look into Dine with Shamu as an alternative (or addition) to One Ocean. There's all you can drink beer. It's piss beer, but it's all you can drink beer. The price is a steal since it includes unlimited (albeit mediocre) food and beer and a private orca training session.

 

Oh... and all of these potential upgrades are also awesome and worth looking into. I highly recommend booking one of these tours when going to SeaWorld. They're (mostly) cheap and they're really cool.

 

Edit: A few random tips.

 

- Ride Mako in the very front at least once. It's amazing.

 

- Journey to Atlantis will DROWN YOU (and I mean DROWN YOU) in row one. You'll be fine on the big drop, but you'll do down a tiny hill after it that looks unassuming from the path and you'll be sent immediately to destination f*cked. If you get put in this row, ask for another one unless you want to get soaked. They usually honor seat requests. If you want to get soaked, carry on.

 

- Speaking of which... note the Splash Zones at Clyde and Seamore's Sea Lion High. You'll probably be tempted to ignore them as you'll be wondering how a sea lion can create a splash big enough to hit you 10 rows up and the answer is that it can't but the huge water bomb that blasts out of the top of the stage can. Note the splash zones at One Ocean too, but if you need to be told that then you deserve whatever you get.

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Do you think a park like SeaWorld Orlando would add more flat rides in the future, like a Zamperla Discovery or Zamperla Endeavor? I was just wondering that now, if they would ever consider adding more flat rides, being that they are a major park with a smaller collection of rides, let alone thrill rides that aren't coasters.

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If you close a bunch of rides because you're "re-evaluating the offerings" and "looking at crowd flow" in the same breath that you're discussing looking to cut operational costs, of course the closures are about trying to save money.

 

The problem with pointing at their additions is that their additions haven't pulled in crowds. Mako might be good, but SeaWorld Orlando had an attendance drop when it opened. Same with SeaWorld San Diego's...well...everything. Comparisons to Celebration City are nonsensical because Herschend bought their competition to purposely eliminate it. SeaWorld can't acquire anything because they're overleveraged and have no money, and they're on the verge of liquidating park assets (they're obviously eliminating rides and attractions) because they're a disaster finanically.

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