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P. 266: Reef Plunge and more announced for Aquatica!

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While I do think this is a bad decision by SeaWorld, I do believe SeaWorld can go on without it. Dark rides have become so advanced now that you really don´t need live animals in order to give guests an immersive and educational experience. Plus, if I´m going to SeaWorld, I´m going for Mako, Manta, and Kraken for the most part. To put it simply: It will still be a great park even without dancing whales.

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I'm just thinking out loud hear but does anyone else think it's possible that they'll always have orcas? Even if they end the breeding program they'll probably still be left with the world's best Orca medical facilities on earth. They could eventually just turn into an orca rehabilitation center / home for any orcas deemed non-releasable (sort of like a Turtle Trek) type thing. I'm no expert but I think this could absolutely be practical and only the most idiotic of activists would have a problem with something like that.

 

Luckily it could be 50 years before this discussion even becomes necessary.

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I'm just thinking out loud hear but does anyone else think it's possible that they'll always have orcas? Even if they end the breeding program they'll probably still be left with the world's best Orca medical facilities on earth. They could eventually just turn into an orca rehabilitation center / home for any orcas deemed non-releasable (sort of like a Turtle Trek) type thing. I'm no expert but I think this could absolutely be practical and only the most idiotic of activists would have a problem with something like that?

 

Luckily it could be 50 years before this discussion even becomes necessary.

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I'm just thinking out loud hear but does anyone else think it's possible that they'll always have orcas? Even if they end the breeding program they'll probably still be left with the world's best Orca medical facilities on earth. They could eventually just turn into an orca rehabilitation center / home for any orcas deemed non-releasable (sort of like a Turtle Trek) type thing. I'm no expert but I think this could absolutely be practical and only the most idiotic of activists would have a problem with something like that.

 

Luckily it could be 50 years before this discussion even becomes necessary.

 

I think this might be their plan. They get to keep their orcas, shut the protesters up, and be the "good guys". It could be a win-win situation for them.

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I respect their business decision and hope it works out for the Sea World parks in the long run, but it feels a little like if Disney announced they were going to phase out Mickey Mouse.

 

Except Mickey Mouse is a fictional character and these whales are live creatures in captivity. Not a great analogy. However large we think these pools are, these whales lives are the equivalent to a person being born in a house and then living the rest of their life in one room of that house. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of PETA and thought that Blackfish was ridiculously heavy handed. However, as a compassionate human, it is always a little sad to see animals meant for vast spaces confined to a relatively small living environment.

 

Actually I think its a very good analogy. Mickey Mouse is an iconic brand for Disney and Shamu is the iconic brand for Sea World. My comment was focused on the business side of this issue not on the debate related to the different opinions on having animals as part of a theme park or zoo/aquarium.

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I respect their business decision and hope it works out for the Sea World parks in the long run, but it feels a little like if Disney announced they were going to phase out Mickey Mouse.

 

Seeing as how popular frozen is, this could happen.

I heard Cedar Point is removing Millennium Force now because Maverick is so popular.

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Well this certainly made me angry. God Damn it Sea World!! Stop giving into the Blackfish idiots!!! You had all the right ideas. Now grow a spine and stand up for yourself!! I still stand with Sea World, even if Sea World doesn't stand with itself. Now there's still decades of Orcas thanks to their long lifespans, so Sea World can come up with something to sustain itself then. But with the decisions it made recently, I don't have confidence that they will unless they grow a spine, defend themselves, and stop giving into the PETA & Blackfish hypocritical idiots.

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I'm actually all for them not breeding orcas. Are there not enough orcas that need rehabilitation or that could come from other facilities trying to get rid of their orcas?

 

Anyways, the park will be fine. SeaWorld has a lot to offer.

 

The only reason this bothers me is because it will encourage the egos of the blind people obsessed with Blackfish nonsense.

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I also feel betrayed that they seemingly caved in too easily.

 

I'd love to job shadow the PR employees at SeaWorld, my goodness, their jobs are tougher than a two-dollar steak. Evolving cultural expectations have turned up the pressure, and I think SeaWorld tried to hold its position as long as it could. Meanwhile, there will continue to be voices out there citing betrayal on the premise that what SeaWorld is doing isn't enough. If you have a good time at the parks, I hope you don't turn your back on them to spite the difficult position in which they unwittingly found themselves.

I worked for a Seaworld park last year and we were taught what to say if people said things that questioned captivity. Just seems like this move is going against all those reasons. One of the reasons, as we've said, is that it's a proven fact people care more about something if they've seen it in flesh and blood than if they just see it in a video. If all the orcas die out then a lot of people may never get to see them. Yes, it is true that there are only 3 Seaworld parks with orcas vs many places that there are orcas in the wild. However, if my own life is any indication of the general public, I've seen orcas at Seaworld many times and never a wild orca .

 

I, too, wondered if they might use the facilities in the future for rescue whales. They took in a rescue baby gray whale in the past rehabilitated her until she was ready to be released. However, I haven't heard of any situations where an orca was rescued and deemed "non-releasable." Maybe it'll happen and Seaworld will continue having orcas that way.

 

If not, then I feel bad for whichever orca ends up being the last orca at Seaworld

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My biggest problem with that argument is that we are destroying their habitats with pollution, fishing, global warming, etc. so captivity where research and education could continue might actually be in their best interest....

 

While I don't disagree that there are significant issues with the way our world is being consumed by humans, I'm don't think this is a very good argument. With your logic, you might as well say that humans would be better off in solitary confinement in jail. It would remove issues of violence, hunger, health care, etc..

 

I think there is a place for zoos, aquariums, and SeaWorld, but to act like the removal of the orca shows is the end of happiness as we know it is incredibly selfish and short sighted. I love all of the research and rehabilitation SeaWorld does, but thousands of people aren't sitting in an arena to watch science and research. The patrons are sitting in the arenas to be entertained and splashed by mammoth creatures living in captivity.

 

There are a lot of people who would be better off in solitary confinement than out in the real world..

 

But aside from that, my point is that SeaWorld serves as a great educational platform to get the word out about all the problems marine animals face in the oceans. Everyone is so hung up on the captivity thing instead of focusing on the bigger issues at hand.

 

You are correct that many people aren't sitting in the arena to watch science and research (although last time I went to SeaWorld San Diego) the "behind the scenes" thing that focused on those aspects in Shamu Stadium before the actual shows for the day was quite full!), but it is that entertainment that funds research and conservation and allows people to form an emotional connection to the animals. Truth be told, I actually would prefer a show with less of a terrible story line and more emphasis on education/research while still incorporating some of the staple tricks Shamu is known for (splashing, jumping).

 

I keep harping on the emotional connection, because that's exactly how myself and my sister got hooked. For a long period of my childhood, I actually wanted to become a marine biologist/animal trainer because my parents took me to Sea World for the first time and we did the Dine with Shamu dinner. The impact of seeing Shamu up close in that environment instantly made me more passionate about learning everything I could about marine biology.

 

Ultimately, I think the phrase "out of sight, out of mind" applies once the final orca passes. Of course, since that should be 50 or so years from now, it's impossible to predict what the future may hold. What's true in 2016 may not be so by the time the last orca is at a SeaWorld. It's entirely possible technology will still allow us to form that emotional connection because VR technology has advanced so much. It's also entirely possible people may be running back to SeaWorld to help because the continued effects of all things we do to destroy the environment have caught up to the orca population around the world...

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If they live for 40+ years even a change in CEO's or even new owners could put them back into a breeding situation if the powers to be decide to do so in the future. Maybe by that time a lot of these activist numbskulls will be a faded memory. I guess we can hope attitudes will change by the time the first whale passes on. Only God knows what the future will truly hold.

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Dark rides have become so advanced now that you really don´t need live animals in order to give guests an immersive and educational experience. Plus, if I´m going to SeaWorld, I´m going for Mako, Manta, and Kraken for the most part. To put it simply: It will still be a great park even without dancing whales.

 

So you're saying Antarctica would not lose anything if one day SeaWorld decided to close the live penguin habitat and just have the dark ride? Good luck finding anyone who'd agree with that. As I recall, most people would prefer to skip the ride entirely if they could.

 

I'm still trying to understand how it's "cruel" to have animals in enclosures like this as opposed to being out in the wild. Isn't nature the most cruel environment there is? When babies are born at SeaWorld, a baby penguin for example, that baby suddenly becomes one of the most well cared for baby penguins in the world. In the wild, that baby could be picked off by a predator. How is that not cruel? Now, by extension this argument says all animals could be put in captivity to prevent cruelty of nature, but of course that would be preposterous and impossible to actually do. This position of captivity = cruelty is equally preposterous in my opinion.

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^ Yup. Makes no sense. Just goes to show you how stupid the world has become.

 

 

Yup thats the new generation. Bitch and moan until there is literally nothing fun left.

 

What's worse is that some people are basically saying that Seaworld should euthanize their orcas. So apparently it's cruel to keep orcas in enclousers, but it's totally fine for them to be put down long before they need to be.

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^Peta actually recommends euthanasia over no kill shelters From the hypocrites themselves

 

I understand that the public's tastes change, and that younger people don't want to see animals perform stunts. Fine, SeaWorld has to adapt to survive, but as we've seen from the statements from SeaWorlds critics, it isn't enough. They will not stop until SeaWorld, and zoos in general are shut down. To see the bs that gets thrown at SeaWorld as well as the hypocrisy of PETA and armchair activists is truly infuriating.

 

I saw this decision coming a while ago, especially after Ringling Bros ended elephant performances. Unfortunately, slick documentaries, evem if factually dubious, can move from preaching to the choir to changing the world. Sometimes the stupid wins.

 

That said, SeaWorld hurt their cause even further, and gave credence to PETA with some of their PR stunts like sending spies to animal rights groups and spam voting online polls in support of SeaWorld.

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I think the best solution would have been to just end shows and bring in their new education experience, gradually expand the tanks and make them more natural and finally I would just take out artificial insemination and just let them breed naturally. I think the combination of these things would have taken a huge weight off of their shoulders. To make such a BIG announcement out of thin air is really dangerous and as others have said, who really knows where in 30 years this proposition will be. It could just be changed with the next CEO.

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I saw this decision coming a while ago, especially after Ringling Bros ended elephant performances. Unfortunately, slick documentaries, evem if factually dubious, can move from preaching to the choir to changing the world. Sometimes the stupid wins.

 

That said, SeaWorld hurt their cause even further, and gave credence to PETA with some of their PR stunts like sending spies to animal rights groups and spam voting online polls in support of SeaWorld.

 

I actually agree with the Elephants being removed. That I don't think has much educational value, nor could you really say that traveling around the country on a train and spending much of their life in sports arena parking lots qualified as a great environment.

 

SeaWorld has always had a clear educational agenda with the entertainment piece. I also agree that they completely botched how they handled the situation, culminating with the reversal of their stance.

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